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Dave Chappelle Netflix Standup Trailer: Sticks & Stones (narrated by God)
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Dude B there pretty clearly kept downplaying the shittiness, he just also went "oh btw i sure definitely think transphobia is shitty" as a defense to anyone calling him out on him excusing it. He also wasn't responding to the someone complaining about the amount of time it took up, he was responding to me pointing out that this standup is likely Chappelle doubling down on his bullshit.
Also, don't call me a dude.
A bad joke is not the same thing as a hateful joke. Every comedian has bad jokes. To make a hateful joke? That comes from a real shitty fucking place, and no one owes any respect to someone who keeps reaching into that place.
It's still pretty relevant in today's headline focused, angry society.
A lot of comedians make hateful jokes all the time, that doesn't mean that they are full of hatred towards the punchline of the joke.
A lot of times comedy is just comedy. It's a stage persona that these guys take on. I can't comment specifically on whether or not Dave Chappelle is an ally (I don't know if he donates to any LGBTQ+ foundations, etc) but I'm also not sure that his bit was how he actually feels.
And this goes back to my first comment regarding the hateful jokes where I said if he said them...I'd hate those comments and be against them exactly like I did with the previous specials, exactly like if I tried to watch Raw and Delirious today. That's not showing them respect because, again, I hate those jokes. You can say "hey you're watching the special so you're giving him respect" but the reality is saying "I don't like that he says this" is also not showing him respect. How everyone shows respect and how everyone doesn't show respect isn't the same across the board so you equating what you'd do to me when I wouldn't act that way doesn't add up. Just because you want to show your displeasure towards something one way doesn't mean me doing it my way is wrong, that's just what I want to do.
It's like boycotting. People were saying "hey let's boycott this" and "hey let's boycott that" but when game devs commented on boycotting their games multiple game devs said "eh hey you don't have to boycott, we'd actually like you to voice your displeasure towards this instead to improve studio condotions because the comments are more effective than the boycott." That doesn't mean you can't boycott, that's just not what I'd prefer to do. In this case I'd rather be against Chappelle's transphobic comments while still watching the other stuff I like. Doesn't mean I'm for that, I just have a different way of voicing my dislike than you.
At the end of the day the crux of it revolves around if you like those jokes or not and at this point I've said "I don't rock with those jokes at all, I hate them" so many times that it's beyond me trying to explain now lol. If you still think I'm cool with it by now then go ahead. This is the last time I'll respond to this because shit, we're adults. Intent matters.
Cannot wait. Dave's work today is even more impressive to me given today's climate. He treads the line really well and his work is thoughtfully executed.
In those cases the game devs don't ask for a boycott cause people not buying their game just won't improve their working conditions. That's not comparable at all to this. In this case a boycott actually could possibly be effective as it'd mean showing Netflix that we don't want more of Dave Chappelle's bullshit. They don't give a fuck about people's criticism, they give a fuck about watch and subscription numbers. If even stuff as extreme as teens committing more suicide attempts because of 13 Reasons Why hasn't stopped them from ordering more seasons of that show, then some people complaining about a shitty comedian's transphobia won't do anything either. Going "oh btw I actually really hate transphobia despite still watching and supporting the transphobe" on some forum they don't look at especially won't do anything.
Honestly, while you shouldn't watch the standup, at this point I'm more bothered by that you're so incredibly defensive about it. At the very least all the other people in this thread who are thoughtlessly getting hyped for it haven't posted a billion paragraphs about how really they're not transphobic.
(Note: I originally said I don't give a fuck if you watch the standup. And nah, tbh, I do give a fuck, don't watch the transphobe's standup)
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Chappelle and Netflix don't care that you say you hate those jokes, they only care that you watched the special and are interested in watching further ones. That's the intent that matters, that you're still supporting the transphobic content despite saying you're against it.
I'm pretty sure Chappelle outright is for real transphobic yes
Homie, you can keep saying what you want but like I said in my last post to you on the previous page, there's really people out there transphobic and you're twisting my words to try and make a point when it's a serious subject. I just can't entertain that. No offense but this is my last response to you.
And like I said, everyone's idea of what it means to support is different. What you think means supporting isn't what we all mean. It varies from person to person. My idea of supporting is being verbally against it which has actually been the most effective way to takedown comedians these past few years. Theres been so many who received backlash over the past 5 years. That's the motto. Either way that's me. If you disagree then hey you've got your own.
Lmao how you support the standup isn't a matter of opinion. You either give him more views or you don't.
Is everything that a comedian jokes about their feelings towards that group how they feel? Look at someone like Anthony Jeselnik he has made a career on hateful jokes. Yet the dude, from what I've know/see is a pretty stand up guy. His comedy is just dark and shock humor.
edit: For the record I'm not dismissing anyone's complaints or thoughts on Chappelle they are all perfectly valid. I don't know that he is transphobic and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in regards to jokes equaling his actual feelings regarding the matter.
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Even if Chappelle somehow wasn't seriously transphobic, the jokes are still harmful. And considering that he's doubling down and being defensive it's especially clear that he means it.
lmao just caught up on this thread...
why wait for the OT!
damn just realizing that this is going to be one of the main topics of the special. smh. i want to give Dave the benefit of the doubt because of how different the way he thinks on things, but please noooo
Fair enough, and I have to agree with you regarding harn. Especially considering how big his fanbase/reach is
Man, don't ever listen to Che on Legion of Skanks if you think Chappelle is offensive.
Che has his problems too, no doubt. I was just saying that his material was funnier than Chappelle's when the wife and i saw them last week.
Oh nooooo. I was really looking forward to this but if this is the case I'm out. Already hated the first one where he defended Louis and that was fairly short and I still couldn't handle it.
Why do y'all do this shit? How do you have people in here talking about how these jokes have impacted them and others like them over the years, explain why they are harmful and then deflect with this fucking bullshit? We've had trans people on this site make topics expressing how distressed they were at how they are treated, some of which were about how bad of a place they were in because of it. Add to that the defense of C.K. and you broaden the net even further to all of the people harmed by sexual harassment and assault, some of whom surprisingly I know may be done with him for that.
Maybe because it's a recurring theme in how he has talked about it since his last specials they are rightfully guarded because if present it helps support an environment results in more stigma, trauma and violence for their communitues?
You're right though that can't be it they're just performing for others./s
Watched Dave for years and haven't watched a single one of these specials since he became another weak ass rich dude whining about how he can't say what he wants to say even though he has enough money and influence that he could get his shit out there if he really wanted.
Extremely disappointing to hear about his recent performances era members went to. Was hoping he would double down on the below quote from his Equanimity special to help spread a positive message, his audience is huge.
"So if I'm on stage and I tell a joke that makes you want to beat up a transgender, then you're probably a piece of shit and don't come see me anymore."
"So if I'm on stage and I tell a joke that makes you want to beat up a transgender, then you're probably a piece of shit and don't come see me anymore."
Do what you feel, but dont waste your time trying to tell other people to stop having fun. When was the last time that actually worked for you? It's not going to here either. If you dont want to watch the special then don't, but its not going to stop anyone else from doing so. The forum has a built in feature for ignoring threads. Make use of it if it bothers you.
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If to you fun is making fun of trans people, then yes I'm going to tell you to stop having fun.
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Just trying to save you the time, and eventual ban when the OT comes out. But hey, if you think this little tactic of putting words in peoples mouths and blatantly misrepresenting folks in order to try and force them to do what you want is kosher then by all means knock yourself out. Waste of time though.
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If the mods do their job, then you might not want to be so sure of who the people who'll get banned are lol.
User banned (1 week): dismissing concerns over transphobia, false equivalences
Because at some point, we have to be able to collectively have a sense of humor about sensitive topics again. It can't ALWAYS be perfectly PC. And there's a growing backlash to the incessant "perfectly PC or else" dialogue that ultimately causes generally liberal people to move to the center because they get tired of being beat over the head with every little thing.
It's like when I was a vegetarian in my late teens. It wasn't good enough for my vegan friends, who weren't good enough for monks that sweep in front of themselves to avoid killing bugs, etc.
At some point, in some situations, a certain level of inappropriateness has to be ok if there is no intent to harm. Because otherwise, we're all spending our lives sweeping for fucking bugs. It's unreasonable, and counterproductive.
Maybe when transgender people aren't ostracized and murdered, made an other in almost every realm of existence...maybe when them just living isn't considered an exercise in extreme sports, maybe then we can think about making shitty jokes.
Until that day, all it's doing is making an already dangerous life more dangerous.
Miss me with that "perfectly PC" shit. Too many people want to opt-in on being an ally when it's convenient. Fuck people like that.
Also, maybe don't inadvertently compare a fucking dietary decision to being a trans person.
I saw him in London a couple of months ago, I'm fairly sure it'll feature material from that show. Talks about Chuck Berry's piss tape, the MJ doc and defending Kevin Hart.
Again, even if Chappelle didn't intent to harm and was just being ignorant (which, he isn't, he's doubling down so it's clear he's being malicious at this point), that doesn't stop him spouting his transphobic views any less harmful. It'd be something if he actually apologized and tried to be better but he isn't doing that. Instead he's making a standup special about how he can't just be transphobic these days. It's very far from him messing up not being "perfectly PC".
Also, jfc this isn't comparable to you disappointing your vegan friends.
I think it's incredibly unfair and hurtful of you to make generalizations about Era or act like the trans and non-binary posters in here are just raining on your parade when Dave Chappelle has shown time and time again that he does not respect who we are and flagrantly flaunts transphobia in his specials. There are people in this thread who say that they've seen him live recently and that he will be going back into those topics again, and rightfully so, trans people are upset with him and concerned about how this is going to impact us even further.
If you don't recall, Chappelle's previous jokes about trans people were like this :
Frankly, I don't trust anyone who laughs at those first two jokes there to genuinely see me as a woman and not the 'man in a dress' that Chappelle tries to paint me as, but even if there are people who are supportive of trans people completely and find those jokes funny out there, it does not diminish the amount of harm that jokes like these can have. The fact of the matter is, we live in a world that is incredibly harsh and hateful towards trans people and most people aren't concerned about it. They don't talk about or understand trans issues in-depth because it doesn't effect them, and that can lead to things like the above where trans jokes that mock our very identity are unfortunately becoming more and more popular with stand up comedians.
I grew up in a small country town in the state of Georgia, one that leans heavily conservative, and I felt the effects that something that is "just jokes" can have on people's perceptions. When I was in middle school, I remember the South Park episode about Mrs. Garrison's transition and surgery start to make the rounds. It was one where it's made out to be a big joke, one character decides to transition to be black to be better at basketball, and another transitions to be a dolphin just because, and even has a line like this in it :
"Mrs. Garrison: That means I'm not really a woman! I'm just a guy with a mutilated penis!
Doctor: Basically, yes. "
All of a sudden everyone around me was emboldened to start talking about how gross trans people were, and that episode is something I would hear about constantly for years and years whenever trans issues came up. Past that, another quote that I heard consistently much later was from Ted 2 that was "There are no chicks with dicks, only dudes with tits"
All of these are intended to be jokes that are funny for the audience watching, but they ignore the people who are actually the focus of the joke. Personally speaking, I was not comfortable coming out or ever opening up to family or friends as they would show how they felt about trans people through their first interaction with them through South Park. You might think that we just need a thicker skin or that even if these jokes hurt our feelings that it isn't a big deal, but it's hard to really express how emboldening transphobia and seeing people laugh and make fun of your existence hurts.
This is only roughly related, but I wanted to include this in here to help illustrate why these kind of jokes are harmful and why there's such a strong reaction to it in this thread. Dave Chappelle and South Park's jokes ultimately boil down to "You're not really a woman, you're just a man" and this study shows how depression and suicide rates go down when people know that they're in supportive environments and shown that their identities are valid :
I also want to add here at the end that you're not a bad person if you watch Dave Chappelle or South Park, and it doesn't automatically mean that you're a horrible transphobic person. It's entirely possible to enjoy something for what it is while acknowledging the problematic aspects of it. That's a reality that most people can't really escape. It does sting a little to know that he hasn't crossed a line that would make people stop supporting him at this point, but I also understand how people can make that distinction. I know that the emotions can be a little high in these threads, and I'm certainly no stranger to contributing there, but just try and understand why this is so important to us and don't downplay the negative side of his comedy. We're emotional about this because it matters and his voice reaches far more than we realize.
squints I'm trying to find the punchline here but I can't see it. Anyone who's still a fan of this guy willing to help me find it?