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Dave Chapelle to critics after winning his Emmy: “ This is a teachable moment. Shut the fuck up, forever."
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Nah. It's ridiculously easy not to punch down, especially on marginalized groups but Dave "just can't help himself".
Fuck him.
Did you see the clip? He's clearly rubbing it in, joking, shit talking.
We judge a comedian on their ability to control the reactions that they get out of their audience. When a comedian becomes successful, they get the sense of infallibility, and being able to bully their way out of that metric - where they're no longer responsible for their negative responsible while still gaining praise for their positive ones - becomes more attractive as it's the only thing they're still beholden to.
It's like being told that you shouldn't abuse others when you have the power to do everything else.
It's like being told that you shouldn't abuse others when you have the power to do everything else.
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Comedy isn't some magic "get out of jail free" card for being an asshole.
Who is "up" to Chappelle that would make for interesting comedy fodder?
I dunno. The user score comments generally seem pretty suspect, page after page. Many went on and recorded a user score specifically because of the controversy and the reception from critics, eager to make a point about PC/"cancel" culture
Not saying it wasn't still well received in general, but pointing to the user score as being meaningful...I dunno.
I mean, rubbing it in/shit talking means it's not so much of a "joke" to him. I'm not sure if we're really in disagreement about it.
Sounds like he's in his feelings and instead of reflecting, decided to double down on being a huge asshole.
Ignoring the controversy and not condoning the jokes but are the people who pick the Emmy winners out of touch when the special has a 99% user score on Rotten Tomatoes?
Dave Chappelle: Sticks & Stones
Dave Chappelle takes on gun culture, the opioid crisis and the tidal wave of celebrity scandals in a defiant stand-up special filmed in Atlanta.www.rottentomatoes.com
wonder how many of those reviewers or emmy panelists are trans (imma bet 0)
I mean, there's context. He's bashing the actual critics--the ones that wrote reviews for major publication. The special themselves had an almost opposite reaction from non critic community. Are people thinking he's talking to forum posters?
It's sad but not unexpected. Every time he comes up as being problematic you have people just driving by with "G.O.A.T. " or say he's just joking, people in this thread are doing the same thing already. And it's allowed
I hated the transphobic bits in Dave's first special back, but thought the rest of the special was funny. But comments like this make me fucking itch and wish I hadn't watched. "The left will not silence us"? Fuck off.
Imagine if the surgeon got to go on stage and say that the people who sued him for malpractice can suck it because lots of other people didn't.
Imagine if the chef got to go on stage and say that the people who got food poisoning can suck it because lots of other people didn't.
Imagine if the person who is paid to make people laugh got to go on stage and say that the people who didn't laugh can suck it because lots of other people did.
Imagine if the chef got to go on stage and say that the people who got food poisoning can suck it because lots of other people didn't.
Imagine if the person who is paid to make people laugh got to go on stage and say that the people who didn't laugh can suck it because lots of other people did.
The mods are soft on this site on trans issues. Will that ever be truly addressed? I doubt it.
Does it really fucking matter who he's calling out if the reason people are criticizing him is because of his blatant bigotry?
He made transphobic jokes in one special, then addressed the backlash in a following special by doubling down and making even more transphobic jokes.
And yet people immediately wanted to accuse me of claiming that everyone who liked the special was alt-right... even though my only point was that the Rotten Tomatoes user score on Dave's special is being manipulated by the alt-right motherfuckers. Which it is. Unless you think it's completely normal for folks who merely just enjoyed the special to take the time to "review" it in the form of telling your political enemies to fuck off.
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I enjoyed the specials.
I didn't enjoy the trans jokes.
I don't like how comedians think they're immune to critique on what they do.
Dave is the greatest of all time.
I have a bunch of conflicting feelings regarding this, but I wish he would stop being a jerk about it.
I didn't enjoy the trans jokes.
I don't like how comedians think they're immune to critique on what they do.
Dave is the greatest of all time.
I have a bunch of conflicting feelings regarding this, but I wish he would stop being a jerk about it.
A lot of people who work in comedy are it seems.
Case in point, Tina Fey.
It's not hard to understand. People who say things that Chapelle doesn't like have to shut up. People who say things that Chapelle likes should be listened to. It's a self-serving appeal to authority and little else.
I didn't really get a vibe from the clip that Chappelle is thin skinned or being vindictive. He's just making a joke. Like a comedian.
On the subject of the specials themselves, he really does lean into the trans material. Even if he feels like he's not expressing hateful views, he should really put more stock into the reactions he's getting.
The first rule of harrassment is that intent is irrelevant. It's how what you say is received, not how it's intended, that's important.
On the subject of the specials themselves, he really does lean into the trans material. Even if he feels like he's not expressing hateful views, he should really put more stock into the reactions he's getting.
The first rule of harrassment is that intent is irrelevant. It's how what you say is received, not how it's intended, that's important.
Pretty sure this ones a joke...
Yeah this. But I honestly think that Chapelle thinks he's punching up when he goes in on trans folks. I think to him he thinks that like ... Hes fighting the powerful with this, like for him the real power rests in people who criticize his comedy. A lot of comedians suffer from this too.
I say this as someone who has liked most of Chappelles comedy, even his new comedy. But I think he sees himself as a victim
Yeah this. But I honestly think that Chapelle thinks he's punching up when he goes in on trans folks. I think to him he thinks that like ... Hes fighting the powerful with this, like for him the real power rests in people who criticize his comedy. A lot of comedians suffer from this too.
I say this as someone who has liked most of Chappelles comedy, even his new comedy. But I think he sees himself as a victim
See this is a perfectly reasonable, adult way to approach the subject. I wish more people looked at it this way.
In fairness they have gotten a lot, a lot better dealing with bad faith posters and trolls. It's just really difficult sometimes because yeah people don't break the TOS with some of the types of posts that I'm talking about, even if those posts are pretty much of the " I don't really care that it affects you in a negative way sorry it's comedy" type
yeah it's not hard to see that this isn't just playful joshing, whoever made that remark that he's "lost his way" clearly stung deep enough for Dave to remember it
Ignoring the controversy and not condoning the jokes but are the people who pick the Emmy winners out of touch when the special has a 99% user score on Rotten Tomatoes?
Dave Chappelle: Sticks & Stones
Dave Chappelle takes on gun culture, the opioid crisis and the tidal wave of celebrity scandals in a defiant stand-up special filmed in Atlanta.
The userscore is because conservatives brigaded it, and then pointed at the disparity and went "look! The critics must be wrong because of the thing I literally just did!"
It's a pretty boring standup, to be honest. It's pure hack shit way beneath Dave. I feel the same way about Bill Burr's recent special, which was 80% recycled bits from talk shows and "get back in the kitchen" anti-feminism stuff.
It's so gross too.
And I like Dave but whew, watching both specials, it was a real fucking drag to have him bring up these transphobic bullshit and then double down and do more in his second special. Completely fucking killed the mood. FuckIng transphobic asshole.
My feeling on it is there's way too much shit to watch and do to watch material by comics making shitty jokes.
Also the irony of Dave touting the approval of mostly white men to deflect criticism of his shitty behavior.
Also the irony of Dave touting the approval of mostly white men to deflect criticism of his shitty behavior.
There has been improvement but too many people get away with being excited about X thing while showing zero empathy for trans people.
This is exactly how I feel about this. Like for real just apologize and change it up. There's not a single strong joke among all the trans "commentary", you could've cut it and made the specials better.
We got to look at this as the fact that Era and the critics for his latest special are not the majority and work towards making people more empathetic to the issues.
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Dave Chapelle is a genius.
Dave Chapelle is a genius.
This is my exact take on it. Chapelle is a giant of black comedy and he's probably the greatest of all time. But the disgusting punching down has no place today. Dude was irresponsible and doubling down on it is unacceptable IMO.
Fucking hell at all the drive-by "i tHoUgHt hE wAs fUnNy wHy u sO mAd?" posts just on page 1.
Expected, but still infuriating.
Expected, but still infuriating.