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Daredevil's season 3 ending, and the possible future of the character in live action Marvel Cinematic Universe
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Don't get too in the weeds with the canon. Keep the basic stuff and ignore anything that might make things messy. Really people just want to see Charlie Cox as Daredevil on screen with the rest of the MCU.
The Defenders was such a disappointment, but Charlie Cox is such a great Daredevil, and D'Onofrio a great Kingpin that I went with 4.
Soft reboot at most. There should at least be some subtle nods to the previous show so many are endeared to.
I'll be ecstatic if this is true. Don't even care that it's just lawyering. Charlie just plays Matt so well.
I'll be ecstatic if this is true. Don't even care that it's just lawyering. Charlie just plays Matt so well.
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had no idea daredevil had a 3rd season.
concerning the mcu integration, i dont think they can find a better cast than charlie cox, elden henson and deborah ann woll. (yes i had to look their names up)
concerning the mcu integration, i dont think they can find a better cast than charlie cox, elden henson and deborah ann woll. (yes i had to look their names up)
Soft reboot so they can change some of the glaring faults of the Daredevil series.
Stick, Madame Gao, and Nobu were all fantastic but I really didn't care for the Iron Fist or anything else about the Hand once they pulled back the curtain a bit.
Danny Rand was really the only awful casting choice made across the entire Marvel Netflix universe. In theory you could keep everyone else and it would be fine.
Stick, Madame Gao, and Nobu were all fantastic but I really didn't care for the Iron Fist or anything else about the Hand once they pulled back the curtain a bit.
Danny Rand was really the only awful casting choice made across the entire Marvel Netflix universe. In theory you could keep everyone else and it would be fine.
I recently rewatched it too. Great character. You felt like you were in the quicksand with him as he was sinking and felt his dread.
To anyone who skipped S3 because Netflix MCU was cancelled, S3 worked perfectly as a series finale. The true end to a story arc, but open to continuation with a new one.
S3 probably barely edges out S1 for me (definitely a step up from S2) The last episode was sogood.gif
Edit: I'm fine with a soft reboot
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Yeah seems like we agree on almost everything. We like Elektra but just re-write what they did with her and the Hand. And I get that retconning Urich's death might be too much for a soft reboot but I don't think it crosses into the Spider-Man license, that's just the Daily Bugle and Jameson I think. Urich was never in a Spider-Man movie before and he was in the Fox Daredevil movie.
I think they had chemistry it was just an inconsistent level of it. But this scene that you speak of I actually kind of liked it, only because we never really got to see Matt's reaction to coming face to face with his father's killer up until then. And we know Matt really loved his dad.
I hope so bud
-sigh- when I saw that you had posted in this thread, I had hoped that you would at least have a polite demeanor.
Exactly. My understanding is that we will get Matt Murdock the lawyer, but not Daredevil the superhero. And honestly, that is enough for me for his reintroduction to this franchise. After all the main focus here is the Spider-Verse and Sinister 6.
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So happy to see all this love for Nadeem!
I tried doing some research on how he got cast and it looks like he just owned it during his audition. I really wonder if the character was always meant to be brown or was altered to be brown and have a family after Ali's audition for the role.
I think the point of the multiverse stuff is to avoid confusing things like "soft reboots." Probably best to cordon off the Netflix stuff as its own universe and have the actors make their own way in the MCU proper.
They have to keep Danny Rand as a character and actor and also can't use the Hand or Elektra without those plots largely being done already.
It's not like the MCU had it's own missteps it found ways to recover from. They're all serviceable enough and not as bad as other stuff some complain about in the MCU.
Luke Cage S2 ending and Jessica Jones S3 still happen. Not to mention Iron Fist.
The MCU acknowledges Thor: The Dark World which is worse than everything the Marvel Netflix shows put out, so it'd already be a step up for them.
I'd prefer a full reboot with same actors. Hopefully this time they can get The Hand right...
Soft reboot wouldn't be the end of the world.
Soft reboot wouldn't be the end of the world.
I also want to +1 the love for Ray Nadeem. Great character and it was very heartbreaking how he had to basically debase himself and everything he believed in only to avoid collateral damage to his loved ones. And, well, his death was also heartbreaking as fuck and very tough to watch, but at least he managed to get the last laugh, even beyond the grave.
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This would be cool considering Hawkeye's specialty. Was Bullseye ever an enemy of Hawkeye's in the comics?
A full reboot is option 4, but the part I bolded is option 2. If Disney goes with a full reboot, I don't know it even matters to say that the Netflix series is another timeline in the multiverse. If they did that, then it means that alongside the rebooted characters in the main timeline, the Netflix incarnation of the characters still also exist and matter. So would we stories on both sides continue? The mainline Daredevil and the Netflix-timeline Daredevil? If anything I think that makes things more complicated.
If they do a full reboot, I think they won't acknowledge the Netflix series at all because making a reboot would make the Netflix series not matter anymore.
oh really? well if Stick is the same case as the Ancient One where the character is either based on or was supposed to be an elderly Asian character, then yeah just recast him and choose someone more appropriate. I think Scott Glenn is a really good actor but it's not like I feel like he's irreplaceable as Stick.
I agree with most of this and I also don't know much about Elektra in the comics, what I do understand is that the two are often at odds but still fall in love at what point or another. I don't think she was ever his arch rival, though.
You really think so? Do you think Daredevil showing up in Cap3, Av3, or Av4 would have made the show somehow worse?
Agree to disagree about Vanessa because I just really didn't like her arc or that they got married so late and couldn't have Richard Fisk as part of the story.
Also, do you mean that comic book continuities change creative teams? Like a certain run or issue continues to get printed but in the middle of that same running story, the writers get changed?
Aren't they just ropes wrapped around his forearms?
I don't get it, are you going with option 2 or option 4? Option 2 means keeping the same Netflix characters, but making them relevant again via multiverse. This is not unlike how the main villain of Endgame was alternate universe Thanos, and that Gamora's story in the MCU continues but with an alternate version. This option means somehow through the "multiverse of madness" the Netflix characters end up in the MCU from their original timeline.
But a full reboot means brand new versions of these characters in the main timeline. This option means the Netflix series has nothing to do with the MCU, except bringing back the cast. Otherwise, why would the Netflix series matter? It's not like those characters' arcs would continue.
You don't have to tag spoilers for Daredevil. The only things in this thread that should be tagged are Marvel properties which haven't been released yet. Appreciate the love for Nadeem though! But speaking of his last laugh, as I said in the OP if they do pick up with the same Bullseye in a soft reboot, Nadeem's legacy should be carried on in some way. The character shouldn't be forgotten.
Wow this is sick, gives me kind of a Dark Knight vibe. Who is that with him in the second picture?what if...
I love the look, that first one especially feels like a cross between his season 1/3 simpler look and his s2 costumed look. Something inspired by these would feel very authentic to the netflix/mcu version of the character, were he to ever return.
And that's:
Samuel Chung (Earth-616)
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I believe so yeah
They are used in muay thai if I remember correctly
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As others have stated, making all of Netflix MCU canon means making everything they did with the Hand canon which was the low point of Daredevil & Defenders. I didn't ever watch Luke Cage, JJ, or Iron Fist after their first seasons though and I didn't watch Punisher at all, so I can't comment on the good or bad of those but what I can say is that Iron Fist season 1 was so bad that everything about it has to go. The only thing out of that show I did like was Jessica Henwick as Colleen Wing, so they should definitely bring her back too.
We all will.
Yeah, this suit looks like a natural evolution of the outfits he's worn on the whole show. It's just perfect with the red rope gauntlets too. And I did a bit of reading about Blindspot, looks like he has worked with Daredevil and like him has been encountered as an enemy of the Hand.I love the look, that first one especially feels like a cross between his season 1/3 simpler look and his s2 costumed look. Something inspired by these would feel very authentic to the netflix/mcu version of the character, were he to ever return.
And that's:
Samuel Chung (Earth-616)
41 appearance(s) of Samuel Chung (Earth-616) 3 minor appearance(s) of Samuel Chung (Earth-616) 2 mention(s) of Samuel Chung (Earth-616) 28 image(s) of Samuel Chung (Earth-616) 7 quotation(s) by or about Samuel Chung (Earth-616)
for sure. yeah I agree and I like the look, and it shows how resourceful Matt can be with limited resourches
what if...
I always thought this was one of the worst designed suits because it does too much. There's no point to having the eyes being covered up with a karate headband (compared to the Frank Miller suit, where the covering was just the cowl extending into his eyes. At least that makes sense and flows logically into the design of the suit). The ropes also clashes with the clean design of the black devil suit.
I need him to say "happens to the best of us, kid." Or something similar, Daredevil's always getting his cover blown.
No, but I do think the other way around would make Daredevil a more messy show. I like the focussed narrative without too many cameo's.
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Well if they do adapt a suit like this I'm sure they'll design it with live action translation in mind. And by that I mean it won't be just a 1:1 comic to screen suit adaptation. Maybe if the red on the suit was darker like blood red it would be better. And yeah there isn't a need for the headband either.
You're right, this would also be a good followup to season 2 where Matt was defending Frank Castle.
I agree, better or on par with a lot of MCU movies and D+ shows. But then again, that doesn't take away from the MCU. Not every movie has to be a masterpiece to be a good movie.
I think the show got messy on its own sometimes for having 13 episodes every season. Sometimes the pacing was a little off. If they had the power to feature a guest and did have an episode or two person season with guest characters I don't think that would have hurt.
Not a direct rival the way he is with Daredevil.
When Norman Osborn had his team of Dark Avengers (and Thunderbolts-style had a bunch of villains posing as heroes), he had Bullseye dressed up as Hawkeye.
Blood red would be an interesting contrast. And the more I thought about the ropes on DD's arms, the more I realized that we had somewhat of a similar thing with.
I think the comic variant was too bulky, but this one looks streamlined and fits with the motif of the overall costume. Would definitely like to see red muay thai ropes.
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ah interesting, so I guess this whole copycat thing was also from the comics. I didn't know that either. But yeah, the fact that the character was in these anti-hero teams in the comics is more reason to bring the Netflix version back and have Valentina recruit him.Not a direct rival the way he is with Daredevil.
When Norman Osborn had his team of Dark Avengers (and Thunderbolts-style had a bunch of villains posing as heroes), he had Bullseye dressed up as Hawkeye.
you mean the comic book version of this black suit? I actually don't remember him having ropes around his forearms at all the last time I saw a picture of it. It was more similar to S1 which is the same here just without the ropes. and also in S3 it looks like he has another layer of a mask under the black oneBlood red would be an interesting contrast. And the more I thought about the ropes on DD's arms, the more I realized that we had somewhat of a similar thing with.
I think the comic variant was too bulky, but this one looks streamlined and fits with the motif of the overall costume. Would definitely like to see red muay thai ropes.
Oh no, I was talking about the comic black suit with the red rope arms and red headband covering the eyes, if that was to be translated into live action. I thought the ropes would look too bulky in translation to live-action, but the show pulled that off masterfully. The red rope would look just as amazing IMO.
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oh okay, sorry I misunderstood but yes I think the same thing. If the MCU's new suit was an evolution of sorts from what we saw in the show and also incorporates this black suit with red ropes from the comics then I think we have ourselves the right look for Daredevil coming back