I don't know. TFE have been citing budget restrictions as an "excuse" for flaws in every single one of their (IMO not great) games released so far. On one hand I admire their discipline to deliver on time and (presumably) on budget, but on the other hand those games feel like wasted opportunities for me. I really love Alex Ward's vision and want him to be able to continue, so I guess the only way is to support them and hope for more polished future releases even though I'm not convinced by the current one.
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Dangerous Driving (Burnout Spiritual Successor) is 30FPS on the base consoles (60 on the Pro/X) and apparently it has no soundtrack.
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I'm under no illusions either, this game is getting dunked on as much as it is because they're on EGS, I'm not stupid lol
30fps on base consoles is eh
60fps stuff is disappointing
No soundtrack stuff is weird and the game should have one
Same for the UI
I mostly wish they had a bigger team and budget to really throw down, cause they're getting closer but definitely aren't cruising yet
I don't think that's really mean so much as realistic
30fps on base consoles is eh
60fps stuff is disappointing
No soundtrack stuff is weird and the game should have one
Same for the UI
I mostly wish they had a bigger team and budget to really throw down, cause they're getting closer but definitely aren't cruising yet
I don't think that's really mean so much as realistic
They had the budget to make a game. They didn't have the budget to license a soundtrack
The notion that being realistic about a low-budget indie game is "defending" it (like that's some baffling stance as is) or being an apologist is absolutely absurd.
I was thinking more Need for Speed than Outrun, but that's still damn pretty.
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I honestly don't get the complaints about the UI. It looks fine? What's so wrong about it?
Why do you consider it an excuse to cite limited budget as a reason for flaws and jankiness? Like that's the nature of tons of low-budget indie games and movies, especially ones trying to punch above their weight class or do something ambitious.
Maybe then they should reflect on the quality of their games, instead of blaming customers for not buying them.
Apparently Alex Ward mentioned this game was made for $140,000.
I mean, people are offered here a version that is objectively worse because of a platform choice. Of course people are going to dunk on it. But you highlight it as if it was a dumb thing. Crazy.
lol I don't have Spotify premium, guess I'll have to pass. Was looking forward to this but ah well
Breh nobody even knew about this game until like 6 weeks ago when it got EGS announced, it's had videos and previews for months before that
If I drew the pathway for the amount of attention/shit talking it got, it would literally be a straight line from -> Game gets announced -> Game goes on EGS 6 months later
It invites challenge, especially since all of their other games (which did ok), had similar issues and didn't have this much juice and haterade
I don't think so.
If you have a limited budget, desing your game around that budget. I mean, reduce the scope of everything and make a good game with limited but great visuals, limited but great music and limited but great gameplay. You can not cut whatever you want and call it a day because budget reasons. That's for me a bad decision.
You are not stupid, but you are wrong.
If you release a mid 60s game without tons of features don't pretend to get dunked, the EGS exclusivity adds more to the mess.
Even if this game was on Steam with the exact same issues, people will be mad as well.
I guess this is one way to tell people that their current gen consoles have no way of playing music if they don't have Spotify.
My ps3/360 I had playlists made from my own CD's and ps3 had some in game music support and Xbox was system wide. Wipeout HD on ps3 would add distortion and tunnel echo effects to your music to match the gameplay. That's gone from the ps4 port clearly.
So they basically made the music to the game an upgrade/micro transaction. Crazy. Did Epic pay them in exposure instead of money? We have posters here saying its dirt cheap.
My ps3/360 I had playlists made from my own CD's and ps3 had some in game music support and Xbox was system wide. Wipeout HD on ps3 would add distortion and tunnel echo effects to your music to match the gameplay. That's gone from the ps4 port clearly.
So they basically made the music to the game an upgrade/micro transaction. Crazy. Did Epic pay them in exposure instead of money? We have posters here saying its dirt cheap.
They were citing it way in advance of the release, look up their interviews for Dangerous Golf etc. - it really felt like an excuse why this or that wasn't great.
And I disagree that indie games must naturally be flawed due to their low budget. Devs "just" have to outline their scope correctly in order to deliver overall polish and quality within budget restrictions. There are more than enough positive examples of games that managed that out there.
If you would like to make a spiritual Burnout successor but don't have the budget to even remotely deliver something comparable to, say, Burnout Revenge on 360 (released f*cking 13 years ago!), you should probably reconsider your plans.
A lot of times when I play racing games, I'll open Pandora in a window and turn down the in-game music, so this really isn't a big deal to me. BUT having a cool soundtrack full of an unknown artist's music could've helped give the game more of an identity. Think of how many classic racers that are known just for their soundtracks.
From the way they made it sound, I don't think Epic moneyhatted them, I think they were just having so much trouble getting recognition on Steam, they decided Epic's store would be a better bet.
Digital Foundry claim the complete opposite, they say its a locked 60.
You really wanna try some 'I totally knew about this game before' anecdotal stuff don't you
This is a reminder that I deal with metrics and patterns a lot so this isn't particularly surprising on any facet since they also started ramping up marketing around that time, but don't lie to your orange Jesus
You are not stupid, but you are wrong.
If you release a mid 60s game without tons of features don't pretend to get dunked, the EGS exclusivity adds more to the mess.
Even if this game was on Steam with the exact same issues will be mad as well.
Danger Zone 2 rated similarly and had many of the same issues
Don't make me go get pikachudoubt.jpg
Edited my original post, because I don't want to generalize gaming journalists. But "Ingeniously" isn't how I would describe this. Having to rely on a paid 3rd party subscription to have a soundtrack in a game is unacceptable for me.
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It's nearly locked 60 on both Pro and X. There are occasional tiny blips here and there but nothing major. It's very very smooth overall - at least as stable at the previous Burnout games.
I'm getting pretty damn sick of this grouping of people together.
I obviously do not agree with that assessment - the lack of a soundtrack is a big deal to me - but if that's someone's opinion, who cares?
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The PS4 has a media player to play music. It doesnt have the fancy stuff Wipeout did though.
So? If they release another game with the SAME ISSUES, people should stfu and don't complain? lol
Where are they blaming customers for not buying games? Why do you think they aren't reflecting on the quality of their games?
Low-budget indie projects, games and movies alike, always take shortcuts. Sometimes, many times, those flaws and issues are noticable. In games, the animations might be stiff, there might be framerate issues, the UI might not be as slick as it could, certain elements might not coalesce perfectly
The recent indie action movie Nightshooters has kind of hilarious CGI fire and blood/gore. That's just the nature of low-budget fare. They're going to have rough edges and shortcuts. We're not talking Upgrade (for movies) or Mutant Year Zero (for games)-level budget. We're talking a game like Dream Quest having stick figures on its cards and a dungeon map that looks like placeholder art. Or this game trying to capture that Burnout vibe on a fraction of the budget, time, and team.
Probably sold scratched to shit and unable to install on consoles or for PC, sold at full MSRP still
So yeah sure physical is available legally
None of their games have soundtracks
I don't think they have a composer in their studio
I was quoting the thread title and what other people had said - thank you for the clarification
... so license some music? Sorry, but I feel like this is not an excuse at all, lol.
I want this game to succeed, I absolutely do, but holy moly what is going on.
Yeah don't try that, we know why they're getting mega heat over it now vs earlier
Feel free to throw down the 360 windmill dunk but don't lie to me
I'm not trying anything but if you think that people are complaning because it's an "EGS exclusive" while ignoring the issues i have nothing more to say, you can believe what do you want. Pretty sure all the reviews scored the game with 6/10 because it's EGS exclusive, maybe they should make better games and maybe people won't complain if they don't see a barbones product.
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I cut their prior games a bit of slack because they were explicitly stated to be smaller games that would build up to a proper Burnout revival. And Dangerous Golf was quite polished in my view.
Do you have a source on that?
blame is probably a strong word. But their initial claims for going to the EGS is that nobody bought their games.
Because they're consistently making barebones games, oftentimes barely a step above tech demos. This one is better than that, but still very half-baked.
Coupled with their disappointment in how their games sell, it's clear they think that they deserve better.
Wait? No more Avril Lavigne? This is a travesty! An outrage! A disgrace!
Just kidding. y'all need to calm down. hey hey you you
Honestly, I do think it's a solid game but, for me, there are definitely issues...
The soundtrack is a HUGE problem and a shame. It doesn't ruin it since you can put on other music but it's a real disappointment.
The base consoles run horribly - not really a problem for me but it sucks for anyone wanting to play on those machines. It's not good enough.
Tracks could use some more scenery - they look nice but a little barren.
Those are pretty much the main issues I have with it.
The soundtrack is a HUGE problem and a shame. It doesn't ruin it since you can put on other music but it's a real disappointment.
The base consoles run horribly - not really a problem for me but it sucks for anyone wanting to play on those machines. It's not good enough.
Tracks could use some more scenery - they look nice but a little barren.
Those are pretty much the main issues I have with it.
...but it does run well on X1X. It's mostly very stable with an occasional section that dips lower. It's pretty rare, honestly.
Honestly the soundtracks are the main reason I play racing games at all haha. Just love getting super into the game and zoning out while listening to either a great handcrafted or handpicked piece of music.
I mean, yeah, a few people including me dunked on it for EGS exclusvity, which meant less stuff such as leaderboards. And a lot of it are about no soundtrack and Spotify Premium being the sole solution.
Heck when I posted in that thread, I didn't even see the whole leaderboard stuff.
Any why is that? Any reflection on their part as to why that may be?
I always thought Dangerous Golf was pretty good but the Danger Zone games are super bare-bones - especially the first. Not a fan.
When your games score like this of course sales are going to be mediocre, going to EGS without making better games won't help sales.
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Redout isn't 60, but it still feels smooth. I want to get this but 30 + bad framepacing seems like a nightmare for an arcade racer.
Perhaps it's because people, such as myself, do not see this as a big deal. As someone who often mutes the in-game music the second I get a game in favor of playing my own music, this is a non issue. If I need to change a song, I use the media buttons on the top of my keyboard.
That's a poor comparison if I'm being honest. While I don't know the budgets of these two games, I have to imagine that developing a semi-realistic looking racing game is far more expensive to create than a fairly simplistic, albeit really cool looking action-rhythm game.
Yeah, if you're using a base console, I'd suggest not getting it. The bad frame pacing ruins it.
Yeah. Good games can bomb and bad games can find incredible success, but sometimes sales are in line with quality.When your games score like this of course sales are going to be mediocre, going to EGS without making better games won't help sales.
Yeah I couldn't find a single racing game that ran at 60fps other then Beach Buggy Racing on their base console. Which is pretty disappointing to be honest.
Oh man yeah it shows definitely that this was done in 7 months.
When your games score like this of course sales are going to be mediocre, going to EGS without making better games won't help sales.
Well, they can always go back to Steam. What sucks, though, is this is literally the game their old-school fans were waiting for them to make, and then they go to the EGS and risk distancing a lot of those fans as a result. I wish them the best.