Welp, that's super disappointing... I loved Devil Engine... Really hope they'll get what they're owed
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Dangen Entertainment Robbing Indie Devs? (Updates Threadmarked)
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Isn't this just general Reddit rules? Which is why the author edited it so it can be linked there as a whole, not specifically on KiA.
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Yikes.
Not gonna lie. Dangen and its people do not look very good in this article or, indeed, very competent at their jobs at all, to say the least.
Interesting, I am curious as to how they are going to respond with.
This whole ordeal has taken a mental toll on them, they've made mistakes, will try to do better in the future, people getting some counseling but not stepping down, etc.
Hoo boy, that medium article seems pretty damning.
Devil Engine is such an amazing game, the crazy delays to Ignition and the PS4 port definitely seemed suspect.
Devil Engine is such an amazing game, the crazy delays to Ignition and the PS4 port definitely seemed suspect.
God damn Kaga can't catch a break. What an unlucky man.
Hope all goes well for the indie devs. This is pretty bad.
Holy shit. This is a long read but it needs to be read. God damn I hope the Indie developers come out on top.
Indie development by nature is extremely luck-based and prone to extremes. A few make it big; many make their first and last game out of pocket and then have to move on to office jobs (this is probably going to be me next year :D). It's pretty much "roll a dice, that's the number of digits on how much you're going to make".
I think the best detail here is how the Dangen guy would avoid work emails and spend all of his time playing Destiny, and then in this very thread, his response starts with a parenthetical about how he'd rather be talking about comics or video games.
I'm only like 30-40% through that article, but holy shit @ those cringe Ben Judd emails.
lol beat
Just finished reading the entire post.
Yeah. This is fucked.
Words can't even begin to express how disappointed I am by Dangen Entertainment.
Yeah. This is fucked.
Words can't even begin to express how disappointed I am by Dangen Entertainment.
Damn, I'm only like 20% through the article and this is already absurd, completely unacceptable. Ben Judd is a complete creep, but what's more fucked up is that it seems the whole company is implicit in this absurd level of incompetence.
Shit, I really hope the devs haven't been too badly damaged by Dangen, stories like these tend to end badly for the devs and it always hurts me deeply to see it continuing to happen.
Shit, I really hope the devs haven't been too badly damaged by Dangen, stories like these tend to end badly for the devs and it always hurts me deeply to see it continuing to happen.
Probably still recovering from a night of drinking. you don't say no to THE JUDD
What a shame about their incompetence and creepiness from the founder, they have a bunch of really dope games in their catalog that I would have a hard time supporting now. Bug Fable and Disc Creatures both look great.
This is super disappointing. I had always liked thetrins posts and was super excited when I heard about DE making some waves. I would like to see a reply from them, but I won't be surprised if they never do, and I don't expect one would change how I feel after reading that.
As a backer of Fight Knight I feel for them having to deal with such an absolutely scummy company. Between Dangen, Nicalis and Chucklefish there are a lot of assholes trying to rope indie devs into bad deals and capitalize off the good will.
Nayan, I believe. Honestly, after all those damning receipts I'm very curious to see if he ever posts in this thread again.
Still reading through it, but damn this is an insane read.
Edit: Jesus the part where no one at Dangen told them about the third party publishers being interested.
Edit: Jesus the part where no one at Dangen told them about the third party publishers being interested.
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Youre not going to see anything until Monday at the earliest most likely due to this being a holiday weekend. I wouldn't be surprised if they've got the legal service on the phones though.
I read the whole article, and yeah, I'm pretty much convinced that this is truth, sadly. I was hopeful the one guy behind Dangen I followed for months that I considered a good peer was just not involved in this, but then it outright points out a series of kickstarter related vids he made that are omega yikes. He also removed them after the article was live too so I no longer trust them.
Whatever the case or resolution ends up being, I absolutely hope it leads to Ben Judd getting some sort of punishment or booting from the industry. I've heard a lot of scary and not-so-good things about him beforehand, but this just cements all those and makes ir way worse. Especially for the devs who got screwed over by some pretty silly things from what I read in the article (not prepping for a fucking golden week sale when you're based IN JAPAN? come on, how could that even be possible if it WASN'T intentional? There's a huge reason companies take that holiday week off and mark things on sale)
Whatever the case or resolution ends up being, I absolutely hope it leads to Ben Judd getting some sort of punishment or booting from the industry. I've heard a lot of scary and not-so-good things about him beforehand, but this just cements all those and makes ir way worse. Especially for the devs who got screwed over by some pretty silly things from what I read in the article (not prepping for a fucking golden week sale when you're based IN JAPAN? come on, how could that even be possible if it WASN'T intentional? There's a huge reason companies take that holiday week off and mark things on sale)
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What the actual fuck. That Medium article is packed to the brim with receipts. Manipulative and incompetent.
Those Dangen dudes are crazy, hopefully indie devs give them a wide berth moving forward.
What the actual fuck. That Medium article is packed to the brim with receipts. Manipulative and incompetent.
Those Dangen dudes are crazy, hopefully indie devs give them a wide berth moving forward.
Skimming through that article and it's a very disheartening read. I hope everything works out for the developers in the end. Dangan seems like a woefully inept company at best.
EDIT: Nvm, got my answer elsewhere. While the Renaine dev did leave them as a publisher, it *may* be it's own isolated incident. (Does make me wonder how incompetent they are as a company though.)
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I think that warrants a new thread rather than a threadmark
I wonder if that guy from Dangen who posted earlier in the thread will have the guts to come back and post his "receipts" now that the article is up.
Makes the initial response trying to throw the disgruntled dev under the bus look pretty fucked up.
Just finished reading the whole thing. Holy fuck, thread needs a title update. This is like Nicalis-level, possibly worse.
He pretty much got thrown under the bus by Ben. Wouldn't be surprised if he just quits.
Willing to bet that evidence thetrin mentioned about the Devil Engine devs being verbally abusive to Dangen staff is just that stuff from the medium article of them being rightfully pissed with things like Dangen withholding sales info or keeping them in the dark about an outside publisher getting stonewalled when wanting to talk about a physical release.
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should put trin's statement and the medium article in the OP imo
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Holy... I'm freaking speechless there's just so much.
Seriously fuck Ben Judd, what a fucking pos.
Seriously fuck Ben Judd, what a fucking pos.
Also fucking oof at this post now.
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I started reading the medium article, then realized how long it is, holy shit.
I've read enough so far though to safely say that this Judd asshole can go fuck himself.
I've read enough so far though to safely say that this Judd asshole can go fuck himself.
