Did he initiate contact? Did he say much more than happy birthday? Is there some evidence showing that he was grooming her in the intervening years? "Waited until she's legal" kinda obfuscates that there was a 4 year gap and she was 22. Obviously playing the long game there...
That is the biggest issue. The power dynamic is too loopsided.
Not for nothing, while the subreddit does make skepticism not unreasonable, dummy accounts like that can be used to help provide anonymity to the victim who is speaking out.
He did replied to a minor. I know he is a manchild in his forthy but should know at least better.
The relation didn't turn fisical until 22. But their online enchange started before, in conversation.
When it happened was a matter of oportunity, when they both meet.
That ended the second he got what he wanted from her.
Also this is not a 1 time thing. Dan has a documented history of doing this
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Probably why it didn't got the attention it got now.
I mean I'm sure they'll leave the auto-uploads on.
Yeah, people talked about the "half your age + 7" rule but that still doesn't feel quite right, it gives you 23 which definitely feels just too young.
Idk, I'm 26 currently dating a 42 year old and it's been above and beyond my healthiest relationship
He's also the frontman of a band that can reliably sell out large venues and has released several successful albums.
Oh I'm not saying this as if it's a hard rule or categorically right or wrong. Happy for you. I'm just describing a general feeling about dating "downwards" in age. You might see what I mean as you get older. For instance, in my experience, after 22-23 people all generally just fall into the "adult" category and are generally much of a muchness. But as someone in their early 30s, if i'm chatting to someone on a dating app who's 21... even if it's a super mature and healthy conversation, and we can get on really well, it'll still feel wrong to me. Same goes all the way up to 23 or 24... even though it's basically arbitrary and doesn't speak to the quality of the potential relationship at all.
Yeah, saw an NSP show a few years ago in St. Paul and it was packed. Several thousand people there at least and tickets were expensive and sold out fast.
The situation's fucked enough without throwing around allegations that no one is making.
These statements take away from the fact that Dan Avidan is taking advantage of the power dynamics at play when you have an audience that numbers in the millions. I don't care who you are, it feels good to receive validation and acknowledgement from someone in such a position of power that you look up to. It's very easy (and even understandable) to go along with whatever they want to. The onus is on said celebrity to understand their position.
I have known several people that dated with a huge age gap when they were adults and some of them even married. Like you It is the power dynamic that I take issue with. Until further information comes to light especially from Dan's side we are stuck in this limbo.
Grooming is in large part about power/status and psychological manipulation than just age difference. If your older SO cares about that then that's important... If they'd been talking to you despite a significant age gap for years, waiting for you to come of age, talks to you in a sexualized manner, pumps and dumps you, then all of a sudden that "healthy" part you're talking about no longer exists. Celebrity relationships with fans have an immediate imbalance of power, if the relationship was genuine that's one thing, but Dan also seems to have done a lot of the above as well that indicates he pumped and dumped and left the girl hanging dry.
They can but it's probably more work than just hooking up with a fan who looks up to you and is eager to meet. That's the part that blows my mind a bit. People ghost. That shit happens and as shitty as it is, you don't necessarily owe this person a second date or anything. But to engage in this behavior with fans is another level of stupidity. This is a person you know is enamored with you in some way, who regularly watches your content and shit and who would jump at the chance to meet you. If you fuck them and ghost them, you're hurting this person more than some guy on Tinder would. At least on Tinder you'd just be an asshole. In this case you're more than an asshole, you're a slimy creep to. Especially since they weren't even of age when you first chatted them up. It doesn't matter if you fucked them 4 or 5 years later. The thought process was still "oh shit she's legal now? Let me get in on that."
A better standard would be not fucking around with any fans regardless of your following, leveraging someone's interest in and adoration of a funhouse mirror version of yourself is bad period
