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Damn how did Amazon do it? How did they make The Boys fit for human consumption? Spoilers for the comics.
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I still liked reading the comic, even with its edginess. Crossed though, could never get into it. It would take a miracle to adapt that monstrosity .
The Sadness is totally Crossed. It's trash really but folks are going nuts over it cause of how extreme it is. OMG SO GORY and the infected want to rape everything! SO EDGY
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No only the show but the anime.
The show was actually good, only problem was the pacing.
We have a thread for this.
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Also a man is beaten to death with a horsecock. By a man named horsecock. I believe that is issue 1. It is not played for comedy.
The thing is, taking the zombie genre's all too tired theme of 'man is the real monster' to the logical conclusion by just having the monsters be regular humans without moral safeguards of impulse control is a potentialy good concept. Most zombie media require the main characters and the world as a whole to be suicidally stupid. Or go the world war z route where the zombies are put in permanent villain sue mode and are now fireproof because Max brooks has a kindergarden understanding of biology.
There was a miniseries that took place 100 years later where it was revealed that while the crossed did knock human progress back a couple centuries, their inability to cooperate meant that like 99% of them died to infighting, exposure to the elements and getting every STI known to man all at once. I kind of like that. It stresses that collaboration and pragmatic thinking eventually wins the day as the rampaging assholes turn on each other.
I can see glimmers of interesting ideas, but mostly it's pointless grimdark with none of the bombast and fun of a 40k or judge dredd.
Slayven, you just made me read the entirety of Crossed and I'll never forgive you for that.
Well, that also thanks to my horrible curiosity but still, I expected at least one redeeming quality. There's no point, no lesson to learn, it's just nihilist and that's it.
Why would you even want to write that ?
Well, that also thanks to my horrible curiosity but still, I expected at least one redeeming quality. There's no point, no lesson to learn, it's just nihilist and that's it.
Why would you even want to write that ?
I had no interest in the adaptation because I hate the comic but they manage to take the bare bones of the comic and some of the underlying themes and really effectively transplant them into a smart and blunt social satire of modern American politics, and it's wonderful. Plus the cast is fucking talented.
I just recently watched it, and I liked it? As much as one can actually like such a thing. I don't have any interest in seeing it again nor would I recommend it to anyone but I thought it was effectively brutal and upsetting, but ironically it wasn't the gore, but the subway train scene, just because of how utterly realistic that scenario actually is in our fucked up world
It's kind of like an exploitation movie though, I am no gore hound by any means but what was in the movie isn't that shocking if you are into some of Miike's stuff or other "shock" directors. The Sadness merely implies a lot of the more fucked up stuff or cuts away from directly showing it.
Still, Crossed is some supremely fucked up shit
It was said to be inspired by Crossed iirc.
I just recently watched it, and I liked it? As much as one can actually like such a thing. I don't have any interest in seeing it again nor would I recommend it to anyone but I thought it was effectively brutal and upsetting, but ironically it wasn't the gore, but the subway train scene, just because of how utterly realistic that scenario actually is in our fucked up world
It's kind of like an exploitation movie though, I am no gore hound by any means but what was in the movie isn't that shocking if you are into some of Miike's stuff or other "shock" directors. The Sadness merely implies a lot of the more fucked up stuff or cuts away from directly showing it.
Still, Crossed is some supremely fucked up shit
Remember when Millar and Grant were best friends and work on everything together
Now they couldn't be more different
But yeah Garth Ennis is a great when he doesn't get aelf indulgent
A creative person making something you don't like doesn't mean they're a "trash person". Do you assume Cronenberg and Lynch are terrible people? Is Scorsese a monster. There is a difference between the morality of the creator and their creations. Also, Ennis has many restrained stories such as his war stories which are quite good.
Reading The Boys was the first time I noticed the Ennis rape face panel.
What will happen is that a female character with either berate or beat down a male character and then the next panel will be a close up of the guy looking super mad then next panel hell do this evil smirk and then guess what?!
A page or two later he'll attempt rape the female character.
I pops up at least three or four times in The Boys and I've noticed it now in other Ennis books. Same setup same execution.
What will happen is that a female character with either berate or beat down a male character and then the next panel will be a close up of the guy looking super mad then next panel hell do this evil smirk and then guess what?!
A page or two later he'll attempt rape the female character.
I pops up at least three or four times in The Boys and I've noticed it now in other Ennis books. Same setup same execution.
It's doubly weird that he lampshades the 'we're going with rape as character backstory because readers like edgy stuff' a few issues later! Perhaps one of the most 'physician, heal thyself' moments I've ever seen in comics writing.
You know the Amazon writing is better when they do a superior
Herogasm
Like, how is that possible?
Also Crossed is disgusting. Aside for the gore and poo poo content, Narratively speaking is not good to read.
Picked up a lot of books over the years like these and they feel like huge projections.
I've been avoiding the show because I thought it was basically edgelord dark superheroes. Not my thing. With that in mind, is it worth me looking into?
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The edge gets you the door but it has deeper messages dealing with sysmatic racism in policing, social media being a tool to do damage, dealing with trauma, etc. God i don't even think of Ennis tackling something like that
It's far less just edgelord dark superheroes and more "imperialist systems of corpo-capitalism, policing, and celebrity culture are so overwhelmingly grotesque, pervasive and manipulative, once you see it for what it all is, everything about the world around you crumbles apart."
It's not a show about superheroes, it's using them as a stand-in to talk about amillion other things
Crossed is horrendous. I've only flipped through the trades in the bookstore. I will say that Alan Moore's Crossed +100 series does add a bit more depth to the concept, and is pretty interesting in some ways, especially in terms of linguistics.
I read the books when they were still running and haven't seen the show because the book's story is not something I need to watch with everything going on right now. I figured the show was successful because of this kind of nihilism.
But I'm glad I might be wrong and I'm tempted to check out the show now? Just wanted to thank OP and folks replying for making this thread and filling it with interesting takes. Might give this one a try in the near future.
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The biggest surprise is that the book actually went on for as long as it did. It's one of those inexplicably long comic runs... like Zombie Tramp.
One of the best shows out right now.
The 1st 10 minutes of episode 1 let you know what kind of show it is.
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I say the same about The Boys. 70+ issues I think. Honestly the premise barely had enough for a maxiseries
You should read Sara, Stringbags, War Stories, Dreaming Eagles, etc... Ennis isn't all grimdark /edgy/ over the top. He has comics that very clearly fit that mold but something like Sara is much more restrained and is quite good.
Dynamite usually tends to lean into really mediocre comics that sexualize the heroines like Vampirella, Red Sonja, and Dejah Thoris. Avatar Press is more about the edgier stuff with gory books like Crossed, Uber, Caligula and Ferals.I think the only Avatar book I've read that I really liked was this sci-fi horror book called Caliban.
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Other than Crossed, the only thing i ever got from Avatar was Absolution by Christo Gage, which was pretty damn good. Gory, but it was in service to the story
The premise was the only thing good about the comics. They took that premise and decided to tell a character driven story rather than rely exclusively on shock value.
I read Uber for a while, and it was a pretty solid WWII book. But it was Kieron Gillen so of course it was good.
I actually kind of enjoyed it for what it is, but it's very over the top, mean spirited and kind of an f u to the idea of superheroes. If you treat it as absurd satire you might be ok with it. Marshall Law did the same basic thing back in the 80s.
I would say that Marshall Law did it better, and Kevin 0' Neil's art was always a pleasure to look at!
This too. Amazon didn't actually make this show by themselves lol
Considering how the comic version of The Boys ends, I wouldn't consider it THAT defeatist since essentially the good guys win.
It's darker for sure but many of the comics darker moments the show simply hasn't got to yet. Although two things I am very glad about are the changes to Black Noir and the toning down of all of the rape that happens in the book. Starlight being raped by 3 different people upon joining the 7 was always extra gross and well past the point of making the point.
It's darker for sure but many of the comics darker moments the show simply hasn't got to yet. Although two things I am very glad about are the changes to Black Noir and the toning down of all of the rape that happens in the book. Starlight being raped by 3 different people upon joining the 7 was always extra gross and well past the point of making the point.
It was not one I was expecting to get sucked into, having read some of the comics, but boy did they make it totally watchable.
I didn't even realise this was based on a comic. I thought it was an original thing somewhat meant to parody the currently popular MCU etc.
The more you know.
The more you know.
The show isn't too defeatist. It's hard and real but not defeatist. The comic is just sheer liquid oof.
No way. It's a comic and a legendary one.
… for the wrong reasons.
From almost 20 years ago i think.
But yeah if you'd watched the show you'd know it isn't really relating itself to the MCU at all, metafictionally. Quite its own story.
I agree with everything you said, but on the topic of Garth Ennis hating superheroes, i still find funny how there is only one exception to that rule, Superman
View: https://imgur.com/M20ohED
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For anyone curious, Ennis said that, as a immigrant, he identifies himself with supes
View: https://imgur.com/M20ohED
View: https://imgur.com/xDnmxLl
For anyone curious, Ennis said that, as a immigrant, he identifies himself with supes
I picked up the first comic book on FCBD while picking up the comics I actually came for, having watched the first season.
I know judging a comic too quickly isn't exactly viewed as favorable by many, but when the hook to get you to read more past the first issue is how much Butcher fucks the superior as she hurls obscenities at him, how much Butcher enjoys having his dog force himself onto another dog, (iirc) and a brief glimpse of Hughie's actually compelling plot thread, but instead the fault of the villain in a fight rather than the hero himself, I chalked it up as immediately inferior to the show at best, and concerningly edgy/rapey at worst.
And then of course hearing how the comic is in full just reinforced that bias lol. Into the trash it went. Don't know how that makes people who enjoy edgy stories opening that way feel, nor do I care.
I know judging a comic too quickly isn't exactly viewed as favorable by many, but when the hook to get you to read more past the first issue is how much Butcher fucks the superior as she hurls obscenities at him, how much Butcher enjoys having his dog force himself onto another dog, (iirc) and a brief glimpse of Hughie's actually compelling plot thread, but instead the fault of the villain in a fight rather than the hero himself, I chalked it up as immediately inferior to the show at best, and concerningly edgy/rapey at worst.
And then of course hearing how the comic is in full just reinforced that bias lol. Into the trash it went. Don't know how that makes people who enjoy edgy stories opening that way feel, nor do I care.
The Boys adaptation is wonderful, but I think the comic has some value. The Crossed as well…
Rarely, maybe just a handful of days a year, a weird mood hits me, and I just wanna feel real bad.
I can't call it good, but at the very least, I know Ennis's body of work is there to help me get there if needed.
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Rarely, maybe just a handful of days a year, a weird mood hits me, and I just wanna feel real bad.
I can't call it good, but at the very least, I know Ennis's body of work is there to help me get there if needed.
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I didn't say the show is too defeatist. I was saying I wouldn't watch the show IF it was too defeatist.
Do yourself a favor and don't look into it. It's basically zombies that like to rape and torture.
The core concept seems to be at ALL human's core is an irredeemable monster that this virus lets loose.
When i was looking for comics to pirate back in the day i found some. It sucks and the content is vile.
For real. Do your brain a favor and avoid it.