Yep, I agree with this, and this is what I follow. Politeness/rudeness is dependent on social context and values, but this is how I was raised.
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Daisy Ridley discusses vicious fan entitlement, social media God complexes, and rude fan behavior.
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Yep, I agree with this, and this is what I follow. Politeness/rudeness is dependent on social context and values, but this is how I was raised.
I was doing perfectly fine just reading the thread and following the discussion... (btw yes, it's rude. no it's not constructive criticism, that's driveby shitposting irl, and why tf should anyone care about your honest opinions/feelings unsolicited when they don't even know you)
But then someone just has to enlighten me with the wondrous cuck ball.
Thanks, now I'd probably spend the rest of my office hours trying to unfuck my mind from the sheer wtfness of it.
But then someone just has to enlighten me with the wondrous cuck ball.
Thanks, now I'd probably spend the rest of my office hours trying to unfuck my mind from the sheer wtfness of it.
Hey I know I don't know you, but that company you work for? Yeah I hate them. Liked the company you worked for before though.
Yes, Im amazed by the responses in here. What she described is something you would see in a comedy show. I could actually totally see Michael Scott (The Office) do that.
I'm pretty sure it is satire.
At least I fucking hope it is.
Daisy is right btw..it is fucking rude.
Why even bring that in here?
I remember when I didn't like a film I never watched it again.
And maybe if a friend asked me, I might say I didn't like it.
The need to be heard and almost pick sides is what lead to this.
People justifying acting like assholes because "muh consumer rights" is probably one of the most annoying trends to come out of fanboyism.
The opposite.
Someone else said she should just pull a Harrison Ford.
The "fans" she's dealing with aren't worth getting in the trenches with.
I agree completely. Don't even bother to engage them. It sucks that such a sizeable part of the fanbase for these beloved properties are so vile.
Cant wait for the next red letter media video to not shut up about this and make it that much harder for me to keep watching
I agree, i've never got the hate for actors, they do a job they are paid to do, what did you want them to do? quit? adlib and tell the director to stuff it? people are wierd
If i ever met the guy who played King Joffrey, or Draco Malfoy, Lena Headley basically any awesome villain I'd be ecstatic and praise them on portraying a character i hated, not want them dead like some do. Sure its a different situation to 'bad' character, but if i met Kelly Tran, i would equally be star struck! and whilst i may have issues with her character i'd be honest, i disliked the direction, but loved her acting and look forward to where they go next
People who cannot separate the role from the actor just need to chill the fuck out and take a step back. Its like when you call customer service for a company you hate, don't get angry at the worker, be polite, be firm, express your aggression is not directed at them and you appreciate any help they can get. i guess some people just can't do that and people become their vent for their toxicity
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Making a rule every Disney bootlicker would immediately weaponize is a fucking terrible idea
So i'm gonna get my thoughts clear here. Coming up to someone who is an actor, in a work and complaining about said work is weird. Odds are they did their job and the issues you have is on the production side and to bring that up to them is not only sometimes rude... but kinda weird. And not how you act in a social environment . Don't do that.
I do think talking to people on the production end is more ok in online spaces when things you are talking about are overtly offensive in someway or in someway actively harming a consumer base. Like same, lootbox stuff. And if an artist has an open forum approach like say, Ian Flynn writer of he sonic IDW comic, he welcomes that onto himself.
But generally both of those aren't needed. Because if a company is half decent , they have people doing demo research and are very aware of your gripes. Obviously that ain't always the case.. to mention sonic again in terms of sonic team. But generally giant corporations and shit have people to be very aware of what's happening in the community. So not only is the act she describing rude... its pointless. You don't think Disney has people outhere combing the internet on what the vibe is on starwars? They pay people to fucking do that. If whatever you like doesn't have a divsion to see what's happening or people dedicated to such action, they are either a small indie thing or there are larger issues at work.
Disney like most other giant corperate entertainment entities are most likely aware you want something, not all the time. Sometimes people need to get in positions of influence to make the higher up people aware that people are aware. But generally, espically with things like fucking starwars, they know what the vibe is. So maybe don't bother employee's of your giant corporate entity of choice on the fucking street , and not be a rude jerk, And direct your criticism to those who are paid to look at that shit
I do think talking to people on the production end is more ok in online spaces when things you are talking about are overtly offensive in someway or in someway actively harming a consumer base. Like same, lootbox stuff. And if an artist has an open forum approach like say, Ian Flynn writer of he sonic IDW comic, he welcomes that onto himself.
But generally both of those aren't needed. Because if a company is half decent , they have people doing demo research and are very aware of your gripes. Obviously that ain't always the case.. to mention sonic again in terms of sonic team. But generally giant corporations and shit have people to be very aware of what's happening in the community. So not only is the act she describing rude... its pointless. You don't think Disney has people outhere combing the internet on what the vibe is on starwars? They pay people to fucking do that. If whatever you like doesn't have a divsion to see what's happening or people dedicated to such action, they are either a small indie thing or there are larger issues at work.
Disney like most other giant corperate entertainment entities are most likely aware you want something, not all the time. Sometimes people need to get in positions of influence to make the higher up people aware that people are aware. But generally, espically with things like fucking starwars, they know what the vibe is. So maybe don't bother employee's of your giant corporate entity of choice on the fucking street , and not be a rude jerk, And direct your criticism to those who are paid to look at that shit
I really like Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and really dislike Guardians of the Galaxy 1. I mean, some of the old MCU movies are kind of boring, but there are few things quite as bad as something that's trying to be funny and failing.
I don't go around complaining about GotG1 in every MCU thread. I don't compare completely unrelated things I dislike to GotG1. If I met Karen Gillan in a random situation, I wouldn't go up to her and tell her that I love most of her work but didn't like GotG1.
It's gotten to the point where whenever I see someone complain about TLJ, I just automatically assume there is something wrong with them because if they were a well-adjusted person who didn't like a movie, they'd just move on like everybody else. You're not changing anyone's mind who enjoyed the movie or thinks it was well done. You don't look smart or clever or sophisticated for disliking something. Move on.
Unless someone's specifically asking for opinions, people don't care about what you like. They care even less about what you don't like. And I'm not even talking about people involved. Going up to a random person at a party and talking about how you disliked TLJ would be annoying just in general.
I don't go around complaining about GotG1 in every MCU thread. I don't compare completely unrelated things I dislike to GotG1. If I met Karen Gillan in a random situation, I wouldn't go up to her and tell her that I love most of her work but didn't like GotG1.
It's gotten to the point where whenever I see someone complain about TLJ, I just automatically assume there is something wrong with them because if they were a well-adjusted person who didn't like a movie, they'd just move on like everybody else. You're not changing anyone's mind who enjoyed the movie or thinks it was well done. You don't look smart or clever or sophisticated for disliking something. Move on.
Unless someone's specifically asking for opinions, people don't care about what you like. They care even less about what you don't like. And I'm not even talking about people involved. Going up to a random person at a party and talking about how you disliked TLJ would be annoying just in general.
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That was the Kelly Tran thread summed up in two sentences.
If that's the first thing you say when you meet Ridley in person, you are a certifiable sociopath.
^This is the best way to describe it for people not understanding what's wrong with it.
Yeah, as I wrote I wouldnt say something like that either. But I wouldn't think someone is rude if they would say this combination of ''first movie nice, second one not as good'' to me.
And this is taking things way too far in the opposite direction. Good lord.
Still nowhere near as bad as defending peoplw harassing actors because they are in a movie they don't like
To be clear, I'm talking about people who bring this sort of stuff up unbidden or try to turn every conversation/thread into a TLJ hate thread. Complain all you want about TLJ in TLJ threads & Star Wars threads. And yes, if I was a better person, I wouldn't judge others for something relatively petty like this.
But seriously, it's not healthy to be obsessed about hating a piece of media that came out nearly 2 years ago. Let it go.
I read the OP and was immediately like, "yeah, that's not really rude...", but then I thought about it a bit more, considering it was IRL and not an internet chatroom, as well as at an informal social gathering and a stranger she didn't even know.... yeah, dude was fucking rude, man.
I actually had to take a step back from Star Wars threads everywhere on the internet because, without fail, they would devolve into arguments about TLJ. The general malaise I feel about Star Wars at the moment isn't because of the actual films currently being produced and their quality. It's because trying to engage with other fans was exhausting.
When the prequels came out and I didn't like them, I simply moved on with my life and carried on watching the OT. I wish everyone could do that with everything they didn't like, rather than feeling like they were personally attacked by an actor/studio/publisher/writer/director whatever.
On topic, it's super weird to go up to someone you don't know and criticise their work. Imagine how you would feel if people gave their unsolicited opinions on something you had worked on in a context completely outside of the work environment.
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I didn't love the movie, but she's also 100% correct.
Both things can be true, you know.
There's a difference between critiscing a movie and defending people harrasing actor for being in said movie. If you can't see it then fix your heart
What about reading the thread? Go to somewhere you don't know and make some unwanted criticism IS rude. Not being as bad as death threats don't make it okay
Working in IT, I get told how much we suck all the time. Sucks honestly with all that we do and fix and maintain.
So I can see why she wouldn't want something similar said to her, unprovoked.
It's a meme/trope in a few movies; fan casually tells actor/creative the movie sucked. One movie had a rando walk up to the director and ask for his money back... including what he paid for his gf lol. The director paid him back too!
So I can see why she wouldn't want something similar said to her, unprovoked.
It's a meme/trope in a few movies; fan casually tells actor/creative the movie sucked. One movie had a rando walk up to the director and ask for his money back... including what he paid for his gf lol. The director paid him back too!
Nah, don't walk up to people you don't know and insult the thing they worked on.
You can walk up Halle Berry and be like "youre a good actress but Catwoman was bad" and she'll probably agree with you, or Robert Pattinson and Twilight, or me and Walmart, but those are exceptions.
You can walk up Halle Berry and be like "youre a good actress but Catwoman was bad" and she'll probably agree with you, or Robert Pattinson and Twilight, or me and Walmart, but those are exceptions.
OR, and this happened here, "I would have preferred the actress that played her sister to play Rose. She would have been a much better fit."
I would never bring it up out of context. If I met someone who worked on something I dislike, I am not going to chide them for it. Those actions are dangerously impulsive, counterproductive and rude.
As for being obsessed with hating something, I sometimes understand the sentiment. Star Wars is a cultural touchstone, so it is treated with more intimacy and adoration than your average blockbuster. Lucasfilm has also continually invalidated the original trilogy with artistic alterations and retcons, which some fans respond to like they are being abused.
Honestly, I used to feel that way myself.
I waited in line for 5 hours to see TFA, thought it was mediocre. Saw TLJ a day after opening and absolutely despised it. Now I am struggling internally over whether I should bother with Rise of Skywalker. Plus, being knee-deep in all of the fervent online discussion since the Disney acquisition has even cooled my feelings on the original trilogy. The entire affair is emotional clusterfuck for nerds with any level of personal investment in the brand, which even I still get bitter about.
Yet I have never held it personally against the folks involved in production. The fact that Daisy gets hecklers in private and public sickens me, since most of it is poorly disguised misogyny. The problems with Star Wars and most modern Hollywood productions has nothing to do with individual people, but how the ecosystem has evolved to stifle creativity.
Feel free to hate something, but don't try to compartmentalize a complex problem by wrongly assigning blame to lone variables.
