TLDR Torshin proposed the NRA angle to the higher ups in Russian intelligence, got the green light, and used his connections at the NRA to bring Putin's inner circle in the loop of RNC politics. The 2015 NRA Moscow trip was the first big excursion.
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Daily Beast: leaked US Intel report says Butina/Torshin NRA plot was Kremlin-backed
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TLDR Torshin proposed the NRA angle to the higher ups in Russian intelligence, got the green light, and used his connections at the NRA to bring Putin's inner circle in the loop of RNC politics. The 2015 NRA Moscow trip was the first big excursion.
Yeah, a lot of damning reports in the last few days. This is starting to feel like the endgame.
"Democrats are attacking the NRA so they can take your guns away with no resistance!".
I continue to marvel at the hypocrisy of these right wing organizations voluntarily letting the Russians in.
It does. Once some of the NatSec folks stopped getting paid, it seams like things are more leaky.
I hope it has an impact, but gun & accessory manufacturers have a lot of money and pull, plus the NRA's membership seems to be fine not only with mass murders, but with fealty to foreign powers over their own government.
That one's not going out without a serious fight.
Almost feels like they were being held until they were sure Dems were in power.
Don't be shocked by the scoops that I got.
More GOP congressmen and senators involved than this, but here's the assclowns who went to Russia after being told not to.
Separately, I still want to know what Nunes' angle is.
He's going to first try conspiracy theories, then go to "both sides suck." Then never talk about it again.
More GOP congressmen and senators involved than this, but here's the assclowns who went to Russia after being told not to.
Separately, I still want to know what Nunes' angle is.
He's going to first try conspiracy theories, then go to "both sides suck." Then never talk about it again.
Mueller report saying there's definitive proof of a pee-pee tape?
A lot is wilful ignorance as long as their agenda if fulfilled.
Sure some are just plain ignorant and think it's all fake-news, but a hefty handful are putting their ideology first and don't mind corruption supporting it as long as it is carried out.
Let's hope the rumors that the NRA is broke are true then, cuz if not then they're going to ramp up the ad money.
Russia has 10 years of GOP emails in their possession. A lot of buried scandals in there, that would sink the party no doubt.
One way to explain such behavior.
Carl Bernstein mentioned having a source who is familiar with the draft of Mueller's report, it does seem like things are solidifying.
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Ron Johnson, today, regarding Trump hiding his conversations with Putin:
"This is not a traditional president. He has unorthodox means but he is President of the United States. It's pretty much up to him in terms of who he wants to read into his conversations with world leaders," GOP @SenRonJohnson says. #CNNSOTU https://t.co/apNFwVdKQZ https://t.co/93OYgFCgl5
This is so disgustingly transparent. What do they have on him?
If he's like most republicans I doubt it. His mind will quickly do some gymnastics and he'll say this doesn't mean a thing.
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Some of these folks genuinely drank the koolaid and thought they found a kindred spirit on the other side of the pond. What's more Republican than religion and guns after all?
If it's discovered that Torshin was the conduit for Russian money laundering to the NRA, and that Butina was the tool he used to bring new people into the racket, I imagine any number of people will be feeling pinched when she has her sentencing.
Create a fake crisis, declare a national emergency, as the Russia report comes in. I mean like clock work. Surprised we haven't seen the Russian Defense Force In here yet.
Like Putin is going to encourage private gun ownership. What a joke.
True. They just wanted money and power,. Religion and guns are a front to entice the deluded idiots in their base, who also couldn't actually give a fuck about those. They're all simply weapons used to attack "the other".
For a while, I thought that the IC was slowly inoculating the US public to a possible reality where literal votes were changed so bedlam doesn't break loose. I don't have any reason to believe this is the case, though.
So this Torshin guy is dissappeared a few weeks back. I wonder if he is dead or hiding from Putin.
Ron Johnson was vacationing the 4th of July holiday in...you guessed it. Moscow. I wish I were kidding.
High thought, but we got 11 year olds hacking replicas of voting sites in like 10 minutes. It's one of those "can't prove for certain with the information we have but this shit is kinda really possible". It's triply more possible when it graduates into conspiracy when these hackers are using money, resources, and knowledge from domestic assets conspirators.
The woman that got busted for that NSA leak into the Russian attempted hacking, Reality Winner, is going to have a lot more media visits to her cell in the coming months I feel.
If Trump's base isn't going to give a damn, what will be the silver lining to the whole report? They're just going to parrot out "Fake news", and dismiss it out of spite. It will take either enough of the non-deplorables going to the polls in 2020, or for enough people to feel the pinch.
Nah, votes weren't changed. I've seen numerous occasions of bullshittery regarding the vote in authoritarian countries; actual, no shit voter fraud where actual votes are changed in democratic nations is extremely, extremely rare. There was absolutely a Russian campaign to influence our election, but through promoting news cycles that favor of their candidate while suppressing unfavorable ones. I'd honestly be stunned if a single vote was changed by a Russian hacker.
Yeah, that would be a catastrophe and I have absolutely no reason to believe Russia was capable of doing this, just to be clear. At this point, I think we are only going to get confirmation on what we already suspect, which is bad enough to make Trump's name Mudd.
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You even used the proper spelling of "Mudd", you win the internet today sir, very clever
The real question is whether or not Trump gets a pardon like Mudd. I believe it is more likely than not.