As a kid I used to think Cyclops was clingy, Jean obsessed loser. Reading more about him and moments like these made me do a complete 180. He's the GOAT.
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Cyclops war plans against the vampire nation alone prove he is the best strategist and tactician in comics
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You know, as an aside, it's always interesting to see which characters readers give a past when it's clear there was editorial interference at play and which ones they don't.
Like a lot of that shitty stuff with Cyclops comes down to Claremont and the Marvel offices butting heads over Claremont wanting to permanently write Cyclops out of the book and retire him and the office wanting to do an O5 reunion tour. lol
It's fucking wrong anyway.
Cyclops left because he wanted to know if Jean was alive at all and Madelyne told him not to come back. She was gone when he came back.
And I'm not saying that to mean "oh Madelyne's the bad one" I mean that it was editorial bullshit to get the O5 together, a team literally no one on Earth has ever given a shit about.
Considering how Marvel literally demonized Maddy, I don't think we need to do their jobs for them here, lol.
Yeah that's the point.
He's an emotionally constipated lifelong soldier, and he's not helping that by having the world's biggest stick up his ass.
He's barely competent as a human being and enforces onto himself unsustainable standards and a ruthless dedication to the mission of creating a world that will have no need of him.
Cyclops is boring and that's a feature, not a bug. Team books need a stabilizing element, they need someone who isn't a snarling badass to balance the character interactions out.
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I mean, you raise a child soldier, you going to get that. That is what makes him some interesting
I swear, this is why I could never get absorbed into US comic books - there are so many alternate timelines and new universes for the same characters. That's why I appreciate that manga is self-contained to one series. I think the confusion lies in the same characters being used in a variety of series. I know I would've gotten into US comic books hardcore if there was a more streamlined system to following them over the decades.
And yes, Cyclops is a boss.
And yes, Cyclops is a boss.
No offense but this is an absurd take in light of the past 17 years or so of Cyclops stories, even the bad ones. Stabilizing element? The radicalized mutant leader who founded a team of mutant assassins to do wetwork? Went to war with the Avengers and used the Phoenix Force to ice his father figure and mentor? Boring as a feature? Emma Frost's bae, who once went to space to murder Ord in one of the most epic X-Men scenes of all time? The dude who held mutants together through sheer force of will for years when all was lost, basically by reinventing what the X-Men were about, is, by design, boring?
The latter point is somewhat subjective - obviously I don't agree - but to say he is a stabilizing element of the roster is just incorrect, maybe all the way back to Morrison's New X-Men. He has been the central catalyst for change in many if not most major X-Men stories in the modern era. He can be serious without being stabilizing (or boring). He is all about pushing the mutant race forward through extreme solutions, that is the opposite of stabilizing.
I have Opinions on the last two decades of X-Men, yes.
Claremont is my only canon. I don't like Cyclops as the military commander protecting the last bastion of his people, even if I think it's hilarious that he was constantly and objectively correct about everything but Marvel writers kept shitting their pants to make him seem like he was the bad guy.
I pray that one day media will move on from constantly recycling 90s boy scout Cyclops. If Feige can deliver Rightclops and Emma Frost to me then he is truly the chosen one.
Wasn't there a scene during the Fear Itself storyline where he states that having plans named A-Z only assumed he had 26 contingencies against the Juggernaut? Cyclops during the whole Decimation era was a boss. Even after all the attempts at character assassination ( Schism, AvsX, vs Inhumans) couldn't keep him from always being right.
The severed head?
That's Dracula and Namor's bringing him in to be revived to take control of the army of vampires laying siege to Utopia who are controlled by Dracula's son.
Nah. I follow Gail Simone on Twitter. Cyclops has heat vision.
Heat. Vision.
More on topic though... this storyline turned Jubilee into a vampire and I'll never get over that.
Never.
Jubilee's back to normal now since Generation X.
Quentin Quire sacrificed his shard of the Phoenix Force to turn her back.
I know I know! She still spent way too long without powers and then with lame vampire powers for this 90's cartoon fan.
From everything I have seen it was rough for the X-men fans in general.
Fans hated this because it ignores that the people who forces minorities to be defined by their minority status are the majority. The Mutants have to be defined by their mutant status not because Cyclops is an asshole but because people like the Trask family or the Friends of Humanity make them be defined by their mutant status.
I listen to Cerebrocast a lot and the host Connor Goldsmith usually just skips right over anything recent outside of the Krakoan era especially Inhumans vs X-men.
This is why Hellions a book about dealing with the traumatic experiences is so good, Havok's life has been shit recently, so yeah his not mentally well, and his going to have to figure out how to deal with it.
From everything I have seen it was rough for the X-men fans in general.
Fans hated this because it ignores that the people who forces minorities to be defined by their minority status are the majority. The Mutants have to be defined by their mutant status not because Cyclops is an asshole but because people like the Trask family or the Friends of Humanity make them be defined by their mutant status.
I listen to Cerebrocast a lot and the host Connor Goldsmith usually just skips right over anything recent outside of the Krakoan era especially Inhumans vs X-men.
This is why Hellions a book about dealing with the traumatic experiences is so good, Havok's life has been shit recently, so yeah his not mentally well, and his going to have to figure out how to deal with it.
It wasn't all bad. I mean Uncanny X-Force was the 10s and that's a top 3 X-run for me
Wolverine and the X-Men and the school hijinks in general were really fun too
Bendis wrote a bit in New X-Men where Kitty Pryde goes on a brutal takedown of the speech, it's great.
Then Remender has Scarlet Witch go "god shut up Rogue, Mutants don't actually have culture."
Uncanny Avengers is a wonderful disaster and every time I almost convince myself to read one of Remender's indies I go "oh right, that happened."
If by wave you mean the '70's sure
Dracula's been a player a long time(wanna say issue 10 of this run in '73, was when they created Blade). Dracula's been on the X-men's bad side since early on and the what if Wolverine was lord of the vampire's is from 91. Vampires have been in play in marvel a long time
Lmao man that era was so hilarious
They kept trying to make cyclops seem like a crazy extremist when the inhuman terrigen mist was literally poisoning them and humans were on their usual shenanigans
Punished cyclops was awesome
I like Holy Water Iceman the most
Too bad, was a neat twist to someone I admittedly find dull.
Just need to say to all those blaming bendis or people after for hank, this is the same guy who in comics wrote in the seventies made himself into a monster (his furry beast look is not part of his mutation) through unethical scientific experiments trying to "cure" Artie (also unethical) and in the 80's kept fucking with Infectia because her powers made him look human again at the cost of his intelligence.
The Watcher was right Hank's trash.
The Watcher was right Hank's trash.
You come in and say this everytime, but you don't need a button to ignore things you don't care about. I ignore and pay no attention to lots of threads but have never used the ignore feature once.
Yup!
Blasphemy. Aquaman is a Namor not the other way around.
No.
This one.
Cyclops is a lot more visually interesting without wearing the cap, letting his hair free looks cooler, but the 90s design is gobbledegoop because it goes against Cyclops' utilitarian nature.
The yellow and blue thing came from Forge trying to get everyone to wear body armor.
Put him back in this you cowards!!!
Those yellow panties
New X-Men designs still feel like the future to me.
He looks like he's gonna go on a fucking ski trip.Those yellow panties
New X-Men designs still feel like the future to me.
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