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Cyberpunk 2077 twitter praises real life billionaire cyberpunk villain.
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There's nothing in the OP about the artistic merits of the game though, your whole point is based around a tweet and not the actual content of the game.
You could've at least used the available footage before implying a lack of social commentary to bolster your claim.
Thank you, I don't know why people take that comic to mean "I can act as unprincipled as I want in any circumstance and you can never criticize me!!" I guess I can dump all my trash in a lake while driving a Hummer H2 and call myself an environmentalist.
A corporate executive ordering police officers to break your legs and throw you in the river is definitely not a political statement or anything. Neither is the complete lack of privacy in this society where people can literally relive your memories to extract information. Just cool neon lights and synth music!
You can make a "true" cyberpunk game while also liking an Elon Musk meme and participating in marketing, is the point.
Idk what to tell you. I don't actually think CDPR is a nest of bigots, I do think they have a problem with bigotry at the top/in corporate culture, but I'm sure a lot of lovely and not-bigoted people work there, too.
I can't bring myself to ignore CP completely, but it's a process, maybe I'll find a well of principled resolve before it comes out, and I won't get it at all. I did however close my Gog account with 60 games on it, if that makes you less suspicious of my principles.
Spec Ops: The Line's marketing was awful, too. It really means nothing.
I gave up on CDPR's marketing ever being tactful since that Witcher 3 trailer that boasts 'even racism' as if it's a selling point.
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Your idea that his work is without reproach is fanatical. All artistic work can be critiqued. It's not an objective thing. I'm also not saying it's not great or whatever. So stop harping on about it like a salty child.
I'm just saying that as good as he may be, Cyberpunk 2077 the game isn't made by one man. Stop acting like Pondsmith's work and its many spinoffs will be the be-all and end-all of the genre.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but is an alt-right sympathizer even a thing in Poland? Isn't that a highly US centric political term?
I'm just thinking that the world isn't nearly as flat as we might want when it comes to politics and sexual liberation etc, can't expect the whole world to react to the same things.
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Marketing is meant to be a representation of your game, if the marking shows a lack of understanding of course I'm going to be at least slightly turned off from the game.
It's a thing everywhere, but in Europe, it is especially prevalent in the V4 countries (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Republic).
Edit: and also the person in question wasn't Polish but (IIRC) British.
"Now if you agree with his interpretation or not is one thing, but, without having played the game, you could argue that CP2077 is an accurate adaptation of the OG RPG, but maybe an inaccurate interpretation of the overall genre."
Well you agree with me then. That's what I'm saying. Just like Rowling is the God of Harry Potter or whatever, does not mean she is the god of the wizarding genre. And people should be free to critique her work if they feel there's an inconsistency of theme or purpose within it.
I know Pondsmith is good. Not arguing about his skill. But you all realise a good artist can produce a shitty product, right? Like this game could be utter trash and tonally deaf/not have anything interesting to say. Obviously highly unlikely but it is possible.
I literally just CTRL+F the first 3 pages and the only ones using any of those terms are those defending Musk or dismissing this thread so yeah, no. Nice try though
I can understand how you can be turned off by the game's marketing but I find it weird to imply a lack of understanding of the genre's themes when we already have footage showcasing them in length.
Corporate warfare, the militarization of the police, how corporations use the police for their benefits, privacy violations etc. were all themes heavily showcased every time CDPR showed extensive footage.
I'm not suspicious of your principles. I'm sure you are a wonderful, kind-hearted person. It's just that, when your first comment on this post compares people above you with corporate stans, that irks people like me who were trying to make a logical point about the flawed OP.
Regardless, I don't mean to make you feel bad. I hope you have a good day. Peace out.
Words have meanings. He said he was going to 'boycott' the game.
buying it used and enjoying the game isn't boycotting. I'm not sure why you're sneering at people who've pointed that out.
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I don't think it's unfair to compare the man who put up a lawsuit against Alameda County California because they wouldn't allow his workers to be forced to work during a pandemic to a villain a cyberpunk story.
That and his years of union busting.
Elon Musk is sending Tesla employees back to work in defiance of a California lockdown.
Among many other labor violations.
Just did a quick reread of my posts here and I never said I'm going to "boycott" the game. I said I'm not giving money to CDPR for it.
Words have indeed meanings.
well, in this case, ignore the comment (wasn't aware of this)
I never had high hopes for CDPR delivering on the Cyberpunk promise when it comes to the "punk" aspect.
That would be inherently political, inherently critical, inherently "SJW" and they don't have the balls for that.
Instead, they will just use Cyberpunk as a cool and edgy setting and visual theme.
I would be happy to be wrong about this and see this game deconstructing the inhumane futures we're headed towards while paying attention to norm shifts, socio-politics, and the continuation of age-old humanist struggles in a post-post-modern and post-post-industrial society.
But who am I kidding?
That would be inherently political, inherently critical, inherently "SJW" and they don't have the balls for that.
Instead, they will just use Cyberpunk as a cool and edgy setting and visual theme.
I would be happy to be wrong about this and see this game deconstructing the inhumane futures we're headed towards while paying attention to norm shifts, socio-politics, and the continuation of age-old humanist struggles in a post-post-modern and post-post-industrial society.
But who am I kidding?
Elon Musk and people who like and respect him are certainly all piss-brained dipshits. People who work in marketing are often piss-brained dipshits.
These games are made by big ass companies and those companies are going to do marketing. I don't think this is proof that the game will see the genre through the eyes of a soulless ghoul like Elon Musk. I think this tweet happened because it was easy engagement. Free real estate.
These games are made by big ass companies and those companies are going to do marketing. I don't think this is proof that the game will see the genre through the eyes of a soulless ghoul like Elon Musk. I think this tweet happened because it was easy engagement. Free real estate.
Isn't that a whole other beast? Isn't an alt-right sympathizer loosely describing a Trump supporter? I honestly don't know, I hear the term alt-right all the time here but it flies over my head.
Nah. It's probably a Trump supporter (among other things) in the US, but in Europe it's the "Soros and the Jews control the world", "Bill Gates wants to chip us with his vaccine", "gay liberal agenda wants to destroy the concept of family" crowd.
Neo-Nazis have internet too, even Polish Neo-Nazis (yes, they exist).
Would it surprise you to learn that Gamergater and rightwing grifter Ian Miles Cheong lived in Malaysia his entire life?
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Rember how the alt-right tried to stir up shit and ruin TLOU2 before even playing it, only because of a few subjectively framed leaks? This is reminding me alot of that situation, can't we just fucking play the game first and then form an opinion about it's thematical merits or fails?
I mean, we didn't play the game yet, right?
And the fact that I will be able to create a gender-fluid character already shows me that there's more there than cool robotic arm.
CDPR is just the fucking worst on social media that's for sure.
I reserve final judgement on the game for when it's out of course but all the recent trailers didn't really go in a direction I would've wanted it to but yeah we'll see. Still hope for the best, the potential for what this game could be is insane.
I reserve final judgement on the game for when it's out of course but all the recent trailers didn't really go in a direction I would've wanted it to but yeah we'll see. Still hope for the best, the potential for what this game could be is insane.
"idiot" is a rather innocuous word for the kinds actions Musk has taken or tried to take from his position of power (as shown by examples on this very page).
Yeah like when Musk was so nice that he labelled the chap who saved the lives of those poor kids trapped in a cave a "pedophile", throwing his toys out of the pram just because his ridiculous robot idea wasn't going to work and he wouldn't get the glory. Using your huge public platform to label someone a pedophile just because you're in a strop isn't dangerous at all of course.
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Social media is all part of a games marketing, and if that marketing is bad of course people are going to be worried about the final product, even if all this ends up not being represented in the final product
Stop pretending like what you are doing is anything but concern trolling. If a horror video game were being made right now, based off of a Stephen King novel, and Stephen King were part of the process you wouldn't be here talking about "Just because he's written 50 novels in the genre doesn't mean he understands it."
I'm not fanatical, I'm just accepting the reality that is vs the invention you've created in this thread to argue about a video game. The man has a proven track record of understanding the genre, the game is literally an adaptation of his work, we have 30 years of proof of what I'm claiming. You have what, exactly, to base your concern on?
It's not fanatical or salty to call you out for trying to disguise your ignorance as critique. The game isn't even out, wtf are you critiquing anyway? Get back to me when there is something you can criticize that actually makes sense.
CDPR is a publicly traded company (which, much like Tesla, is overvalued) that only started to impose less awful crunch practices on its employees once they got exposed for previous wrongs. No shit it won't be critical of capitalism.
Not saying it's not disappointing, but it's definitely not gonna be surprising. Doesn't mean the game won't be great in many other ways either.
CDPR are a bunch of clown ass motherfucks who don't know shit about the cyberpunk genre beyond it's cool future shit.
No offense, but what a silly thread. Like others pointed out:
1) Why do you assume that CDPR's tweet praises Musk? I took it as just them giving an example of a meme which "controls the universe" (not directing it at Musk specifically), and it's the most natural take in this case, in my opinion.
2) Regardless of how you interpret this tweet, it wasn't made by the writers or the creative director (etc) of this game, just by the PR person, whose job is to advertise the game. It does not have anything to do with the qualities of the game itself, whatsoever. And saying stuff like "CDPR are clowns who have no idea of what cyberpunk is" based on stuff like this is not only silly, it's offensive to hundreds of very talented people who worked and continue working very hard on this game.
1) Why do you assume that CDPR's tweet praises Musk? I took it as just them giving an example of a meme which "controls the universe" (not directing it at Musk specifically), and it's the most natural take in this case, in my opinion.
2) Regardless of how you interpret this tweet, it wasn't made by the writers or the creative director (etc) of this game, just by the PR person, whose job is to advertise the game. It does not have anything to do with the qualities of the game itself, whatsoever. And saying stuff like "CDPR are clowns who have no idea of what cyberpunk is" based on stuff like this is not only silly, it's offensive to hundreds of very talented people who worked and continue working very hard on this game.
We've already seen quite some footage that suggests the contrary to what the user you quoted said, from privacy invasions and oppression of minorities to corporate involvement in law enforcement. CDPR writers have repeatedly said that the story is about saving yourself, indicating that this hypercapitalist society is a system you need saving from. Everything they've said and shown points towards this game NOT being an endorsement of 'the dark future'. If people put more weight into a meme tweet rather than the footage they've shown and the interviews with the writing team then that's a bit disingenous I think.
At that point I would ask, do said people actually follow the game (previews, gameplay footage, interviews...) and what it contains or are said people just reacting to what social media team posts on twitter and instagram?
game is gonna be legit good, so much sensitivity in this forum man, jesus. CDPR will deliver once again and if people are getting offended because of the themes of the game, my god. The creator itself said CDPR is doing a great job. Man a lot of you are so not ready for a dystopian cyberpunk future. This generation sucks ass.
Capitalism managed to market and profit off communism. It stands to reason it would do the same with cyberpunk.
People saying "the game may not criticise capitalism, but I'm sure it will still be a fantastic game" are kind of missing the point of this thread.
People saying "the game may not criticise capitalism, but I'm sure it will still be a fantastic game" are kind of missing the point of this thread.