it's like these people are actively campaigning against their own game, seriously, the marketing team should just shut the fuck up
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CYBERPUNK 2077 Twitter Account Promotes Cis Cosplayer that is Fetishizing the Trans Experience
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fair enough.
well shit. sorry?
Not to ignore your whole point, but the proper word choice is "transgender", not "transgendered". The -ed suffix indicates being trans is something a person DOES, or DID, rather than something they are.
Link, in male or female form does not belong to an oftentimes violently oppressed minority. Taking aspects from the experience a transgender person might have or using physical traits as either the butt of a joke or using them to enhance the aesthetics of a videogame without even acknowledging the issues the transgender community faces is dishonest, hurtful and not at all conducive to improving the quality of life, equality and general acceptance for members of that community.
Pretty much. This is just a gross, crude caricature of real people created for the sake of shock value and fetish for horny teenagers to jerk off to.
At this point it's just completely expected from them. They have made their shitty views very clear.
Just asking questions
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But in the world of cyberpunk you can. Or at least thats what the devs think. I just don't think the games message or whatever doesn't jive well in today's world. It's too in your face and too tone deaf.
Yep.
If you want to portray trans characters, you hire trans-cosplayers.
CP2077's entire marketing team needs to be sacked, or at the very least put on administrative leave and forced to undergo sensitivity training.
JAQing off with a glowing blue dildo
um ACTUALLY sweatie :)) sexualisation of women and fetishising minorities is to show that its a DYSTOPIA :))) that never happens right now in the real world :))
um ACTUALLY sweatie :)) sexualisation of women and fetishising minorities is to show that its a DYSTOPIA :))) that never happens right now in the real world :))
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It's fine when they don't sexualize our bodies that's the whole problem so no don't do it.
Hell yeah it is. Their target audience is the people who post on r/pcgaming, so pretty much they hate any idea of talking about issues for people in gaming who aren't straight, white, CIS, and male. Add in their pro-consumer marketing and those shits eat it up.
I think that you need to come to terms with the fact this aint just the fucking marketing team that's laughing it up over there.
It's tough because trans people in media have a history of being portrayed by cis people (usually of the different gender, ie trans women get portrayed by cis men). I'm not sure I'd say it's as big of a no-go as blackface (ftr, I'm trans and white), but if you did want to do this you should definitely consult with as many trans people as possible to make sure you're being respectful, and even then it might still be offensive because there's no one universal trans experience.
Also, keep an eye on all the celebrities and e-star streamers who are getting cameos and supporting this game. I know a few of them who claim to be allies. Kudos to any of them who come out against shit like this and ask for their likeness to be removed if they do. Not gonna hold my breath though
The "chicks with d" thing is a fetish. I find most trans folks I know aren't really going around gloating about their anatomy. I think that's the crux of the issue here, for those trying to decipher what the problem is.
I feel like CDPR are either nefarious and being pricks about this, or they're naive as fuck and unwilling to cede that they might have made a mistkae. I'm not sure which is worse.
I feel like CDPR are either nefarious and being pricks about this, or they're naive as fuck and unwilling to cede that they might have made a mistkae. I'm not sure which is worse.
really, you consider my earlier post a wild accusation?Just asking questions
Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off, or as emojis: "🤔🤔🤔"[1]) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent; rather than laboriously...rationalwiki.org
The problem with “just asking questions”
Asking questions is generally a good thing. Indeed, questions are the very foundation of science. People become scientists because they are curious and like to ask questions, and science itself is …
it was a fair question. black people find black face highly offensive. women by and large do not consider crossdressing men or drag performances offensive. these things appear logically similar but culturally hit much differently.
So who runs their Social Media account?
You would think they'd have dropped that person by now. I don't follow them so I'm pretty clueless on this subject in relation to them.
You would think they'd have dropped that person by now. I don't follow them so I'm pretty clueless on this subject in relation to them.
I didn't say anything. I'm just posting what people might see your contribution to the thread as.
It's beyond a social media issue. Especially considering they've already fired the previous social media person for the same shit. This is obviously a company wide issues as it's SHOWING UP IN THEIR GAMES.
Okay, thanks for answers! The actual problem wasn't clear to me, but I think I got it now
Their PR via twitter has been one long journey fuck ups. Their development is one long journey laden with crunch for over a year.
I have gone from being extremely excited for this game given CDPR's reputation w/TW series and a general lack of Sci-fi, esp. cybperpunk RPG in an ocean of JRPGs and fantasy RPGs, to being exhausted by how much of a shitshow they are internally and how regressive they are when it comes to promoting it quite a few times.
I have gone from being extremely excited for this game given CDPR's reputation w/TW series and a general lack of Sci-fi, esp. cybperpunk RPG in an ocean of JRPGs and fantasy RPGs, to being exhausted by how much of a shitshow they are internally and how regressive they are when it comes to promoting it quite a few times.
They just don't care because they know this won't affect the bottomline long term. Gamers don't care and will eat this game up.
Once is a mistake, this is like the 5th or 6th time either CDPR or one of their sister companies like GOG have done something like this in the last couple of years.
Given how half assed their apologies have been, I'd say it's fairly cemented now that they as a company either outright don't like trans people or view them as only being good for being the butt of a joke.
They did drop one person already, who made two of the three controversial tweets. Now there's more it seems.
ironically, the insinuation of that post fits the "just asking questions" trope perfectly.
Wasn't this character straight up from a very blatantly transphobic in-game ad too? Not just due to the character design, but the in-game product and wording was clear. If so it's not like there's really any room for doubt, not that there is anyway, given they've done it multiple times now.
I'm honestly starting to think I'll just pass on this one. If the game is this questionable on the surface and in its marketing, who knows what kind of nonsense they try to pull in the game under the excuse that it's cyberpunk and therefore conveniently immoral? Cyberpunk as a genre and a setting does allow you to address some pretty complex issues, but if you tackle them this carelessly and offensively then I'm not interested.
It's rare to see a company's social media sabotage their own product/reputation as often as Cyberpunk/CDPR's has.
You can't pretend to not understand why this is considered Transphobic when in another thread it was the only example that you were willing to concede that CDPR would know was transphobic because you admitted they got called out by various media outlets on it . Your "just asking questions" schtick ain't cute.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cd...elling-rainbow-red-shirt.295943/post-46869890
Unfortunately it's an ineffective sabotage because even on era, a huge amount are still hyped. This won't really affect sales at all sadly. Definitely turned me off them for good.
Why does the fucking pipe-dream first person cyberpunk open world game have to be riddled with so much controversy, shit. This sucks and CDPR sucks.
Here's the thing though, they're banking on the idea that they can do whatever the fuck they want, offend who they want, break as many of their workers as they want, and "Gamers"(tm) will still buy their shit in droves.
And they're right.
Seeing as this shit is straight outta the game, it's not the social media sabotaging anything.
For people saying "who is the social media person and why are they still employed?"
You have to remember that asshole gamer people love this shit. I've seen comments on Reddit and other places about how "awesome" the Cyberpunk twitter person is
You have to remember that asshole gamer people love this shit. I've seen comments on Reddit and other places about how "awesome" the Cyberpunk twitter person is
All of this. Excellent point being made by Jen and I'm happy you posted it, Kyuuji
CDPR is definitely trash, no more hushed whispers or "maybe" about it.
You know, I just might be starting to think that this whole "but it's a dystopia!" thing just might be a vapid shield used to deflect criticism.
This game is just going to be GTA V/South Park with a cyberpunk aesthetic. It's going to promote and valourize shitty things while using a veneer of both sidesism and "it's supposed to be satire" as an excuse.
This game is just going to be GTA V/South Park with a cyberpunk aesthetic. It's going to promote and valourize shitty things while using a veneer of both sidesism and "it's supposed to be satire" as an excuse.
You don't even need to look that far. Just look at the replies to the tweet.
At this point, I can only imagine they seem to be banking on the controversy actually increasing their sales with right-wing gamers more than it decreases sales from people who care about LGBTQ+ issues. They may actually think this is a net positive for their sales.
Which is just horrifying, really.
Thing is, they aren't even sabotaging their own product. This sort of shit is what their audience wants to see and whilst there may be a few people here rightfully calling out their constant shit, the vast majority of people right here don't give a shit too and we've seen that time and time again regarding this game and a certain other product I will not name because it's not relevant to this one.
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