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"Cyberpunk 2077" gives players “3 to 5” ways to solve quests
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That's what I imagine this game to be. Deus Ex at the scale of The Witcher III.
Also: My way is always the best way. Nobody else's method matters.
That's fine, they can make it. I was simply looking forward to the game and hope that this being a focus doesn't detract too much. I'm not saying no one else should anticipate it.
I never said i was watching videos or reading something to get the best playthroughs.
Its not a problem of loot and rewards, but story and characters. But whatever, this debate would take too much time.
Good. There are two things I hate in RPGs above all else: Gameplay/story segregation and mandatory "optional" skills.
If I've maxed out my medicine and my backpack is overflowing with medkits, and then a quest forces me to go find a doctor for somebody, that's stupid.
If not getting Toaster Repair on character creation makes me miss 30%+ of the game, that's stupid.
Well designed choices eliminate both of these problems.
If I've maxed out my medicine and my backpack is overflowing with medkits, and then a quest forces me to go find a doctor for somebody, that's stupid.
If not getting Toaster Repair on character creation makes me miss 30%+ of the game, that's stupid.
Well designed choices eliminate both of these problems.
I don't disagree. Some of my all time favorite games are ones where I stare at the screen for 20 minutes trying to decide, lol.
I just know that while we love it, other people are stressed out by it. And it does kind of bug me when you learn of better rewards you could have gotten. Bioshock was infamous for this, essentially turning the choice into a non-choice because the outcomes were unequal.
So kill a minority.
Rob a minority.
Hack a minority.
Ok CDPR
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The above is in regard to my belief of the poor, stereotypical representations of minorities in this game. Others below have mentioned that CDPR has made improvements to this has indicated by a full demo playthrough? I hope so.
Rob a minority.
Hack a minority.
Ok CDPR
EDIT:
The above is in regard to my belief of the poor, stereotypical representations of minorities in this game. Others below have mentioned that CDPR has made improvements to this has indicated by a full demo playthrough? I hope so.
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I can understand this. I remember I actually hated New Vegas when I played it launch, partly because it crashed on me a lot, but also because I would get actually stressed out whenever I had to decide what to do. I was like... taking breaks pretty often because I never knew if I was "doing it right." I think I was kind of expecting something more like Fallout 3 where I remember it being more "obvious." Again though, my tastes have changed and now I love stuff like this where it more feels like I'm playing a role.
I remember the factions in New Vegas really getting a lot of thought from me, because I think the only certain thing you can say about them is "Whatever you choose, just know Caesar's Legion is always the enemy"
Every promotional screenshot of the game or select scenes from trailers has minorities in compromised roles.
Asian shop owner
Hispanic thugs
Turban wearing Sikh driving a cab
Its like a South Park episode of minority potrayal.
Fucks sake. I wish they would at least address this. Even say its their creative right and they are not changing it would make me feel a bit better.
Did I completely block off that it's only minorities as villains or potential antagonists in the 40 minute demo which is a fairly good representative of the finished product? Because I recall seeing various races both as potential allies and potential enemies.
I'm hoping they are and have been making necessary changes. Like what Capcom did with RE5.
until the part where you kill natives with spears, oh dears.
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I was one of the very first to call out the turban taxi driver stereotype in the reveal trailer, I'm not sure how you equate poor representation to killing, robbing and hacking minorities.
Also, I would love to see better South Asian representation as well.
You don't have to do this.
The options aren't there to make people play the game 5 times, they are there so they can fully immerse in the character they're playing, so if they make a diplomatic build they shouldn't have to be forced to solve everything via shoot out.
I completely forgot that. I hated that entire section out of memory.
The goal of a lot of reactive RPGs isn't replay-value, although it is a by-product of that design goal. The goal is to make the world react in a logically consistent to your character and actions. The goal is simulation. Viewing everything in the game as mere content to check off of a list completely misses the point.
The Age of Decadence is a fantastic example of this design goal. You won't even see half of the game's content on a single play-through. And how can you have true reactivity if you're still having the same experience as everyone else?
Btw just so we're clear I wasn't calling you out or anything and if CDPR pulled the shit you're talking about I'd be the first to call them out. That's not the impression the 40 mins of gameplay gave me though.
Thankfully they did get rid of their shitty twitter people and hired someone who is for representation.
Ok. Cool. That sounds promising. Not liking the Indian cabbie (comes across the same way as Apu's issues in The Simpson). But I'll take your word for it. Every game and every dev has something wrong with it nowadays. Can't win everything. As long as its improving overall.
Really excited for this game even when I dont like futuristic settings, I do like the mature tone and the gameplay trailer really shows the polish and work that is going into the game (which makes it look like a AAAA game if that even is possible).
I dont want to go too far off topic, but this city is pretty heavily based on LA and is in a non-fictional america. Cab driving is a profession that is world wide mostly staffed by first generation immigrants for a number of factors that arent worth going into in this post.
How is one of presumably many old cab drivers in a game set in america being indian & sikh problematic? Would you have the same issue with a doctor in the game being a 30yr old Indian man?
Apu's issue is not that he owned a corner store, it's because the character was the punchline of many racist jokes.
I feel like this is the same kind of thing they were saying before DXHR came out and it ended up being "we put vents and computers next to the front door".
Now show the "Fallout 4" way lmaoThat's cool. I loved New Vegas for that.
My thoughts exactly. Seems like the game could deliver on that open approach cyberpunk stuff I love about Deus Ex and that's very exciting!
Yeah sometimes its like "Well this is basically RNG whether or not i'm narratively rewarded or punished for this"
Why would we encourage Ciri to trash an that Elfs place who is later revealed to always have been an ally... instead of teaching patience or some shit. Instead nah throw a tantum bitch thats how you save the planet lol
Sounds good. I generally hate shooting in first person so if they give a ton of other non-combat options I'll be happy.
I don't think it is about using lethal force or talking, more about.
- Siding with group A
- Siding with group B
- Killing everyone and siding with group C
- Make group A and Group B join forces towards group C.
- Siding with group A
- Siding with group B
- Killing everyone and siding with group C
- Make group A and Group B join forces towards group C.
Sounds like they're aiming more for Fallout New Vegas. Dope.
In all honesty though, the demo video was actually a good indicator for this. Remember what they said about dealing with the thugs and getting the spiderbot thing? You could've fought your way in, chosen whether or not to contact the corp lady, or come up with the money to pay for the bot yourself without involving the corp which wouldn't have brought that virus into play.
And when I see the early part of the demo where they have to fight through the apartment complex, I wonder if there is or will be a way to contact that medivac service before you're done with all the enemies there. The initial trailer seems to depict that very situation.
In all honesty though, the demo video was actually a good indicator for this. Remember what they said about dealing with the thugs and getting the spiderbot thing? You could've fought your way in, chosen whether or not to contact the corp lady, or come up with the money to pay for the bot yourself without involving the corp which wouldn't have brought that virus into play.
And when I see the early part of the demo where they have to fight through the apartment complex, I wonder if there is or will be a way to contact that medivac service before you're done with all the enemies there. The initial trailer seems to depict that very situation.
