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gappvembe

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CRYAMORE! A True, First-Class Take on the Action-RPG Genre

Whaddaya get when you blend obsolete Steampunk with Zelda, Secret of Mana, & Megaman?

Rob, the primary creator of Cryamore writing.
Before I begin the main topic, I have a few words to say to the very kind-hearted backers who have shown us nothing but endearing support and love during the development of this game: If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't have gotten as far as we have at this point. Cryamore has had a very rough development, and has now gained quite a lot of "Kickstarter notoriety" despite having a very passionate group of fans who still want to see it in its due glory.
Indie game development for a project of this magnitude is brutally difficult (life circumstances that pop up notwithstanding, as we have had plenty of that happen to us), and back when we regularly read the update comments, you were the ones that kept us going, even during dark periods. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Me, Alan, and the rest of the remaining core team have nothing but appreciation, love, and respect for you. Your actions and behavior is why we're still going to keep developing this game to the fullest.
Now, to the main topic.

The Main Topic
To every backer that has given us grief, ostracized and trolled us, and wrote very disparaging remarks: we don't want this game tainted with money from cruel people, most of which who only paid $15 out of their wallets. Kickstarter is a platform designed to literally help kickstart projects and every last person that fit the aforementioned definition has completely ignored this fact and did the opposite. You are incredibly entitled, ignored all the information we've been trying to communicate, and none of us on the team likes you. We shouldn't have PTSD from hearing the word "Kickstarter" or from visiting this page, but now, we do.

We were essentially kids when we launched this campaign, and I was in a completely different living situation. Horrible, money-sucking, born-in cult-related marriage where I was being controlled to only make money a specific way, was stuck in the cult, and eventually me leaving the cult resulted in stripping away literally everything in my life. My emotionally abusive ex secretly committed infidelity and adultery several times while I was trying to make ends meet and work on the game while being pressured by her, and my waking up process afterwards in said cult led to me having to cut off my family, as they outcasted me for superficial religious reasons. Juggling all of that has put a number on my mental health. I lost everything and hit rock bottom. I've dealt with depression the entire time of the project and it got remarkably worse 2016 onward, as I divorced her and then later moved cross-country to avoid cult members bugging me. This all sounds outrageous, but it is the flat-out truth.

Other team members like Alan went thru bad ordeals as well, such as his father's passing, and your comments really did a number on him. We also had to deal with a team member siphoning off our contractors for their own personal gain/project. This person has been publicly "cancelled" for sexually predatory reasons not related to this project, and isn't working with us anymore. Atlus has been very laid back and supportive the entire time, though we did have a few issues with one of the staff members there that we were in contact with at one point.

I'm not giving out this information to look for any empathy. I don't care what anyone thinks at this point. But I'm giving it out as it's related to the project, as much as you want to deny it.

I'm someone who cares about friends and associates deeply, and that mistreatment fueled anger inside of me in addition to my own for what I went thru. I personally have way too much faith and integrity in this project to let it die, and we are definitely not going to waste the money and time that was put in the project thus far. That's simply stupid. And needlessly to say, we shouldn't be vilified for going thru basic human issues, let alone outrageous ones.

Now? I'm completely self-sufficient making close to $15K a month by drawing porn to get the money necessary to make the game as good as I want it, and that number is growing each and every day as I continue to rev up content on that personal platform. The industry worked against us, there were backers that worked against us, and the internet worked against us. Not anymore. I am personally fed up. So, now I'm doing what I wish I could've done back in 2013.

What I am going to do next is refund every last one of you, starting the beginning of March. I have never once asked for more money after this Kickstarter campaign for this game's development (outside of funding from Atlus), neither asked for money in general for nothing in return (outside of a small art book I tried to get off the ground but met with similar problems and really bad luck that I also will be taking care of), yet we were constantly labeled as scammers and thieves for majority of the development while working. (We still have money left in our contract with Atlus, but we didn't touch it due to taking a step back and analyzing development correctly.)
We want to work on the remainder of the game at our own pace, without Kickstarter backers leaving rude comments in our emails, without anyone's money held captive, and exactly to how WE want it envisioned. The game is real and exists. The soundtrack is essentially finished. There are thousands upon thousands of individual assets we've made. I have every receipt throughout the entire development. It is FAR from dead. And it's going to be made exactly how I want it, away from extravagant outdated promises made here on this platform in order to even succeed.
From this point onward, these matters are none of your business nor concern. And the core team supports this move I'm making to the fullest.
The Refund Process
Refunds will gradually go out in order of the backers who originally pledged. Vitriolic backers will get special recognition by being the first to go. Due to this campaign being 8 years old, cards are expired at this point. So, you will receive a message requesting for a method and information to remit the refund directly to you. (For backers who have special characters in the game, I personally don't mind keeping them in with their approval, as we haven't had a single issue with them. However, if you want them removed, please Direct Message us and we will follow through appropriately.)
While everyone here will be refunded, the entire Kickstarter page will be left up as an example on how to finish an indie game over all odds and to help give courage to other developers for not backing down to people such as you, because people do it outside of Kickstarter and don't drop a single cent towards the developer. Then, I will use my own continuous income to fund the rest of the development and any other project I deem fit. I will then hire the best experienced developers who see the potential in this game and would want to help assist me, and they will be paid well and appropriately. And I know a LOT of experienced developers and artists who would love to get paid well on a game like this.
Personally, throughout this project, I've learned how to program, took on many jobs out of my skillset and learned them as well, made many mistakes, many successes, and learned from it all, and I now know what must be done to follow this through. This Kickstarter campaign was initially a success story, and now it's a failure story, but for me, it is just another failure in my list of failures that I learned from. The game itself will still release, and I will prove to everyone that I'm not f*cking playing around here, and I will succeed.
No one on the team will be replying to any of the comments here. I myself won't even be reading them. Because personally, I'm at my wits end, I'm angry, and I won't let anyone ruin the rest of my life over an unsure choice made nearly a decade ago. Frankly, I'm at the point where I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Enough people know my personal story in detail now. I've always set out to be ethical, treat my workers and associates right, and be transparent right down to this final update. I now have more than enough stature, clout, and industry weight to make sure my goals are met, and I put this on my life: they will get met. And we will finish it without a Kickstarter breathing down our necks.
Thanks for the bumpy ride.
Cryamore.

Wow. I've never given any grief to any kickstarters. I still am waiting on some older ones. I still want to see this game come to light.
 

MykonosFan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Phew. Coming in fresh on whatever this is, but "most of which who only paid $15 out of their wallets" passive aggressively talking about how much money they were given by people and then going on to call them entitled is definitely a sequence of events. Let alone the rest of that.

Does...context help this any?
 

Joshua

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is a deeply personal update. He's making $15k a month drawing porn?
 

Helloween

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Oct 27, 2017
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Phew. Coming in fresh on whatever this is, but "most of which who only paid $15 out of their wallets" passive aggressively talking about how much money they were given by people and then going on to call them entitled is definitely a sequence of events. Let alone the rest of that.

Does...context help this any?

Not really. They got hassle from kickstarter peeps and some.people were sending them truly awful pms it seems. Though robs tone is very aggressive to all :(
 

Gassy_N0va

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Oct 27, 2017
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I didn't quite process how old this Kickstarter was until I saw that 'Main Consoles Stretch Goal'

Jesus
 

Arex

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Oct 27, 2017
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Drawing porn is serious business :d

Good that he can/ will refund every single one of them. Not many failed kickstarters end that way. Now that he can self fund his game, I think it's best that they can go on their own time and pace and with no pressure.
 

Stopdoor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Phew. Coming in fresh on whatever this is, but "most of which who only paid $15 out of their wallets" passive aggressively talking about how much money they were given by people and then going on to call them entitled is definitely a sequence of events. Let alone the rest of that.

Does...context help this any?

I guess it all depends how honest he is about how thorough their updates and communications with backers was, I don't really know. But it's easy to see the ugly side of Kickstarter, it's a two-way street - some people have unreasonable expectations of refunds imo. I can empathize if he really was putting in all the effort and still getting crap from people. Entitlement is a hell of a burden.
 

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Unless something is an outright scam, I think if you give to KS and a project fails, it's just a fail -these things happen. KS isn't a preorder, it's for funding projects that have trouble getting investors.
 

J-Spot

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Oct 27, 2017
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I backed this project. It's one of many that have either been disappointing or failed to materialize, and I had pretty much written this one off as the latter. Didn't expect a refund but I'll gladly take it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly he should probably should stick to drawing porn. He's actually a pretty good artist from the few pictures he posted on his twitter
 

Mifec

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is a deeply personal update. He's making $15k a month drawing porn?
Wait till you learn there's people earning 50k+ a month rendering porn of Lara Croft and Quiet getting fucked by horses and releasing only like 2 vids a year. I hate that I know this and I hope you hate that you know this now too.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Wait till you learn there's people earing 50k+ a month rendering porn of Lara Croft and Quiet getting fucked by horses and releasing only like 2 vids a year. I hate that I know this and I hope you hate that you know this now too.

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Chrno

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Oct 25, 2017
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8 years, damn.

With over 70 updates it's not like they kept people in the dark.
 

NotLiquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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This post really rubs me the wrong way the more I read into it and several of his tweets since then. It reeks of gaslighting people who have rightfully questioned the project's utter failure at communicating things over the years. Not once is there anything resembling a sincere attempt at an apology for that, and the refunds are a formality at this point; that money's 8 years old at this rate, and pretending as if that absolves the issue is somewhat manipulative. I sympathize with all the problems he's gone through, and there are quite a few horribly racist comments he's gotten that have been disgusting to read, but the onus isn't on the backers to carry the burden for poor business accountability since it generalizes a lot of the negative response with an attitude of "shame on you". Rob already has a questionable reputation when it comes to delivering on his works (from merch to commissions) and this isn't the first time he's gone on questionable Twitter tirades.

Still, best of luck either way I suppose. He's no doubt a talented artist and if he really is making that much money on his own membership system, more power to him.
 

Vee

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've followed dude for years because of his art and didn't know shit about cryamore until he talked about it a lot. His marriage really messed him up and I unfollowed him a year or 2 ago, not because he drew his porn but how overly defensive he became about any criticism of sexualized fictional woman, which was just pent up anger from his ex wife who gaslighted him for drawing characters like Morrigan, Chun-Li, Poison etc.
 

Str0ngStyle

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Oct 28, 2017
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Is it wrong of me to wonder what he's drawing to make 15k a month? I know he's drawing "porn" but still, the fuck?
 

Ouroboros

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Oct 27, 2017
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Glad I'm getting my $15 back. I hope it gets made but I hope more that the creator(s) get the help/rest they need. The internet can be a shitty place.
 

Giga Man

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Oct 27, 2017
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So, has anyone received their refunds yet? Or are they going to refund everyone at the same time in April this year?




I didn't back it myself. I'm just curious. This game was on my radar when it was first announced, but now it's just... awkward...