What an hypocrit thread. I can imagine the "sent from my iPhone, with my Nike shoes".
The game seems awesome, I'm getting it on day one to congratulate the team behind the game.
Did you not read the staff post?
What an hypocrit thread. I can imagine the "sent from my iPhone, with my Nike shoes".
The game seems awesome, I'm getting it on day one to congratulate the team behind the game.
OK, fair enough 😸
I think it's great that there are people that want to do stuff (and also sad there's so many who don't). Just as long as everyone understands that the only real solutions is for workers to organise.
You should read the staff post.What an hypocrit thread. I can imagine the "sent from my iPhone, with my Nike shoes".
The game seems awesome, I'm getting it on day one to congratulate the team behind the game.
Yeah, did I troll? Saying I wanna buy the game is trolling? I'm interested in this game because I loved the first one and I'm looking forward to see what direction take the second episode, what became the relationship between Joel and Ellie.
Yeah, did I troll? Saying I wanna buy the game is trolling? I'm interested in this game because I loved the first one and I'm looking forward to see what direction take the second episode, what became the relationship between Joel and Ellie.
About the part saying it's hypocrit, it's not "trolling", it's being factual, I don't mean it about the op directly (I don't know him/her) but I can see plenty of people boycoting the game and being hypocrits for the reasons I gave.
Everyone has heard the line: "Vote with your wallet" and after hearing that over and over, people would naturally begin to assume it's that easy. Just don't buy something and they will listen. But that couldn't be further from the truth because for every person who legit wants to boycott (and not someone just taking advantage of the situation), there is 10 who don't care.
Oh I'm sure all ND needs is another hit to have better leverage during negotiations.It's good that some people care but this isn't an issue that consumers can help with, if developers want better pay/working conditions then that's something they either have to fight for themselves or hope that legislation is passed. Boycotting their games is the worst thing you could do, if a developer creates games that sell alot of copies then they have more leverage in negotiations than a developer who's games fail.
The best thing you can do for game developers is vote for politicians who promise better workers rights.
After the kotaku article and the recent developer testimonials on Twitter detailing the work environment at Naughty Dog studios I can not in good conscenince support their toxic work practices.
No product, no matter how great, is worth sacrificing worker health and well being.
It is clear that things need to change in much of the industryin regards to crunch culture and so I will be carefully considering where my money is spent in order to support developers that do not rely oncrunch and avoid supporting ones who do.
Last of Us 2 will be the first of many games I am sure I will need to boycott. This will be my main deciding factor in purchasing games going forward.
If you, like me, see this as unacceptable I urge you to join me in not supporting this practice with your money.
#CrunchNoMore
please feel free to post studios and games that we know were not made with crunch so we know what we can support. I will do my best to update the OP with the names of studios that are safe to support
the following are studios we know do not rely on crunch:
- Insomniac Games
- Rare
- Valve
- Media Molecule
- Bithell Games
- DICE
- Klei Entertainment
- Iron Galaxy Studios
- Remedy (unconfirmed)
Studios/publishers who are making notable progress on crunch and actively working towards eliminating it:
- Bungie
Oh I'm sure all ND needs is another hit to have better leverage during negotiations.
OR, they can hear the concerns, and start moving toward a much better company culture.Well i guess you're right about one thing, if everyone boycotts their games then ND won't be working as much, they can have the same hours as Sony Cambridge and London Studios, and all the other countless developers that have been shut down because their games didn't sell.
How about you all stop buying clothes that are made in China or Bangladesh. Stop buying mobile Phones that are produced by Foxconn. Don't buy any console since they're also mostly produced there.
The world is a shit place we live in, and i don't want to diminish Crunch. It's a shit practice that i hope will change.
So your first argument doesn't hold water and you go right to close them down and all those jobs gone?Well i guess you're right about one thing, if everyone boycotts their games then ND won't be working as much, they can have the same hours as Sony Cambridge and London Studios, and all the other countless developers that have been shut down because their games didn't sell.
Clearly selling multiple giant hits in a row has done shit for their negotiating power.
What you said.
Boycotting their games is the worst thing you could do, if a developer creates games that sell alot of copies then they have more leverage in negotiations than a developer who's games fail.
Exactly. Those who have gaming as their main hobby will surely see their time spent gaming drop significantly if they decide to go that route. I hate that crunch is a thing, but to just not support the end product after devs have given their all to it just sounds like the wrong approach to me. Just my opinion tho.
Waypoint had an article about crunch back during RDR2'S thing where they spoke with numerous devs about this stuff. The majority consensus was to buy and enjoy the projects. The "don't boycott, it's not effective" thing was said.I wonder has anyone asked developers what they want to do, or want us to do?
Do the developers want you to boycott their game?
If they don't, why are you going against their wishes?
We already have a dev in here saying that boycotting will do nothing but hurt the developers you want to help.
I can't imagine how painful it must be to make $120k in one year. Truly a harrowing read.
The message here is that boycotts don't work this way, and that people are selective in what they boycott anyway.
What I believe these people are saying is this: the world is a tough place and we should constantly be working on improving it - but getting angry at one specific thing and boycotting a specific product in a sea of hardship does not improve this world. This thread will not make game development better. However, pushing for better laws, unionization, social media pressure - these things might.
Game does well: only big guys benefitBoycott isn't the answer. The only people you're hurting are the little guys who are already down on the ground.
Sign me up, joining the boycott. Its gotta start somewhere. I'll prolly just watch lirik play it on twitch.
Welcome to capitalism.Game does well: only big guys benefit
Game does badly: only little guys hurt
How's that work?
Game does well: only big guys benefit
Game does badly: only little guys hurt
How's that work?
Game does well: only big guys benefit
Game does badly: only little guys hurt
How's that work?
Game does well: only big guys benefit
Game does badly: only little guys hurt
How's that work?
Welcome to corporate America. The little guys always suffer first.
It's an oversimplification but the reality is the little guys are being hurt regardless, while the big guys will indeed suffer if their game bombs.
It is the most recent case and the reason OP is doing that for future games as well. Did you read the OP where he lists other companies that don't do crunch? If anything, your buthurt text shows who the fanboy is.The main problem with this thread is that is poiting directly to a single game/developer.
That's not the way to present this problem or to try something to maybe fix it in any way.
This happens in every industry we know and must be changed in the near future but you should say this and talk about all companies.. when you just call out a single game/developer you sound like some kind of fanboy in my opinion.
We see all kind of people in this forums so if you are not a fanboy you should ask this thinking about all the people around the world suffering from this.. not just pointing at one single game.
PS: I'm buying the game 100%
It is the most recent case and the reason OP is doing that for future games as well. Did you read the OP where he lists other companies that don't do crunch? If anything, your buthurt text shows who the fanboy is.
Game does well: only big guys benefit
Game does badly: only little guys hurt
How's that work?