Checking Google, it said she had a cut scene where she participated in the final battle with the horses and stormtroopers. Should have been in the film really. Can't think of a good reason they cut her to 1 minute of screen time.
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Creators who say they like a character but it is clear that they hate them
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It was for her protection. They "adored" her so much that they wanted to shield her from appearing in that terrible film as much as possible.
Him hyping her up at Celebration took on such a slimy vibe once Rise of Skywalker came out. I know that it was partially in response to the online bullying and to give some love to Tran, but it was so hypocritical in retrospect.
There isn't one. Because the film is tone deaf despite coming from a place of genuine admiration for TLJ.
Geoff Johns claims to love Cyborg, every arc of New 52 Justice League that he wrote proves otherwise. No love, no character development just a Black character he could horribly maim over and over again.
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Oh, how did I miss this. Yeah this one for sure.
Nomura promised and baited us with Kairi being active and having her own game as a protagonist but clearly didn't deliver
Oh right. But he was still the director and did this:
Oh yeah, he came across as flaky and inconsiderate and his emotionaly maturity took a nosedive. I mean when he meets Steph by accident he straight up wishes she wasn't there
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Speaking of Johns and Cyborg:
I don't believe it came from a place of admiration, the film does a 180 from TLJ in the first few seconds saying well actually Palpatine is the true antagonist and not who was being built up to be. I don't believe any publicity speak they said in interviews they admired the previous story.
I've only heard about it through forum posts, but that sounds like Gal Cleaning.
This is correct. Horrible.
Apparently caused the creator to give up and retire too since he had a few failed series. Considering how he reacted to this, probably for the best despite having some great art.
I.... Think Nomura would write a better love story between guys at this point. Just about any lady involved in his works gets as badly shafted as Zelda does in her own series.
I wanted to see great things from Kairi. Even Aqua which also kinda fell by the sidelines.
I don't know if "hate" is the right word or if "failed spectacularly at" is more appropriate, but:
Black Canary - the Arrow writers room.
Tearing down an iconic DC hero into a generic CW love interest, then killing her off when another love interest tested better.
They ultimately got the character right with Black Siren after DC chewed them out for trying to remove Black Canary from Green Arrow's story, but it was abundantly clear they didn't care about the character to begin with.
Black Canary - the Arrow writers room.
Tearing down an iconic DC hero into a generic CW love interest, then killing her off when another love interest tested better.
They ultimately got the character right with Black Siren after DC chewed them out for trying to remove Black Canary from Green Arrow's story, but it was abundantly clear they didn't care about the character to begin with.
It genuinely did come from a place of admiration but they were not only rushing production, they were also completely beholden to an early "plan" in spite of that being an awful idea.
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That makes it so much worse. Sequel trilogy should have been 1000 years in the future.
Yeah but I completely doubt all the things JJ says, if he was really sincere about praising KMT, he had the power to do better by her character. And the idea that Rey's parents sold her to protect her? That was such a nonsensical and iffy story development and I don't believe it was a sincere story telling choice.
Nah. That would have so much baggage compared to continuing on from some of George's initial ideas. You don't reintroduce the most memed on multibillion franchise of all time with "And here's nothing recognizable." People were salivating during the leadup to TFA for lots of reasons, practical settings and props, unknown actors, the old actors returning, etc. that's why it was the most profitable film of all time when it released. Since TLJ was written concurrently Rian took the idea of starring a new generation and ran with the idea of passing the torch. Resulting in an amazing film. TROS was when things went off the rails, if only because so many factors ked to that film's troubled production. Starting with exhibit A, it always being considered Carrie Fisher's time to shine only for her untimely passing during TLJ's post production.
Hence me saying, "Yea it's probably a bad idea to have a thread premise based ENTIRELY on the idea of projecting one's own feelings onto creatives in spite of the multiple things they've stated before AND after their thing was made"
I don't think he necessarily hates her, but the creator of Re:Zero didn't realize how popular Rem would be at first. She very clearly interrupted his plans considering howhe puts her in a coma for a large part of the light/web novels and after the first season of the anime. A coma she will likely not get out of for several years in the anime and only recently was freed from - but without any other her memories and NO WAY seemingly of getting them back, ever.
But because she's massively popular and profitable (I've spend hundreds on her merch and pulling for her in gacha myself, embarrassingly) he can't kill her.
I agree with this entirely(the rezero community can be very against this line of thinking tho lmao).
I think she almost assuredly got a bigger role as a result of her popularity (and then subsequently had to be retooled/benched cause he wasn't sure what to do with her expanded role).
Agreed. Luke and Leia could still have appeared in it, as Force ghosts, if they really wanted to involve the OT actors. Hell, the droids could also have appeared in it if they really wanted some easy fan service.
Usually I agree with not taking it so personally with creators, but I'll make an exception for the creators of TROS whose decisions were so ill-conceived they had that scene where it said the heroine's loving parents sold her to protect her. "For fuck's sake!" when you think about that.
It was a very bad story that came from a good place. People often assume that TROS was made spitefully but it really wasn't. It was just an incredibly incompetent and entirely rushed movie. So rushed in fact that if you watch the documentary you can see them talking about things that literally aren't in the film because of how many times the writing changed.
The Netflix Marvel shows seem super embarrassed about the more comic book-y elements. Costumes, ninjas, superpowers, etc. Jessica Jones took every chance it got to avoid Jessica's powers, they made fun of the costumes a million times, and in The Defenders they mention at least ten times how ridiculous everything going on sounds/is.
I love Daredevil, but it clearly thrives with its mafia storyline. It has pre-MCU superhero embarrassment syndrome, like in X-Men when they made of yellow spandex and made everyone wear black. Oh yeah, Daredevil actually does wear black again even after getting a costume. Look at that.
I love Daredevil, but it clearly thrives with its mafia storyline. It has pre-MCU superhero embarrassment syndrome, like in X-Men when they made of yellow spandex and made everyone wear black. Oh yeah, Daredevil actually does wear black again even after getting a costume. Look at that.
Jim Butcher hates the main character of his Dresden Files series. He might not have started out that way, but each book has become more and more how can you torture Harry. Still love the books, but I am wondering if Jim regrets the huge number of books he signed up to write for this series.
The only thing that comes to mind that might qualify is Garth Ennis and Spider-Man maybe? Garth has apparently voiced his appreciation for Peter Parker in the past, and he did write a really great Spidey story in Tangled Webs that totally respectful of the character, but then you look at his run on the Punisher and anytime Spidey shows up he's treated like a total putz.
The worst for me was how they chose to visually depict Jigsaw in the Punisher. Someone was clearly not feeling confident about adapting the source material.
Yeah, I really enjoy a lot of the Netflix shows but it definitely felt at times that they didnt get the memo from the movies that it was officially okay to get crazy.
The worst for me was how they chose to visually depict Jigsaw in the Punisher. Someone was clearly not feeling confident about adapting the source material.
This gif always cracks me up, because the scene in the movie isn't played anything close to this.
It's about Superman being in a tight spot and having no choice but to use lethal force. Zach's here making it look like "yeah man, and then Superman fucking KILLS HIM!"
He's trying to get a performance, so maybe that's where the disconnect is. But I have to assume being so high up the totem pole at the time meant that the final cut of the movie largely looks like what he wanted it to.
Not an example of a creator claiming to like a character but when Brian Michael Bendis took over X-Men he had Emma Frost on his team.
It was probably forced on him because of instead of having Cyclops and Emma get back together like the fan base wanted he humiliated Emma every chance he could and then had this line happen in his last issue.
It was probably forced on him because of instead of having Cyclops and Emma get back together like the fan base wanted he humiliated Emma every chance he could and then had this line happen in his last issue.
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Not an example of a creator claiming to like a character but when Brian Michael Bendis took over X-Men he had Emma Frost on his team.
It was probably forced on him because of instead of having Cyclops and Emma get back together like the fan base wanted he humiliated Emma every chance he could and then had this line happen in his last issue.
Oooof that line is cold. He also made Emma jealous of a teenager crushing on Scott.......
Not an example of a creator claiming to like a character but when Brian Michael Bendis took over X-Men he had Emma Frost on his team.
It was probably forced on him because of instead of having Cyclops and Emma get back together like the fan base wanted he humiliated Emma every chance he could and then had this line happen in his last issue.
You know, I know this is divisive (especially for other T'Challa fans), but I don't mind Hickman writing literally everyone always
To go from not liking an artist's interpretation of a character to concluding that they hate the character is a truly bizarre take that is difficult to take seriously. Also, characterizing Superman as "thinking it was cool" when he kills Zod when he screams out afterward in fruatration and anguish makes it hard to take your interpretation of said interpretation seriously. Just really struggling here lol.
I felt the same way and would try to explain this in conversations about the movie. Do you have a link to that interview where Coogler said that?
Nah, Hickman isn't the best ever. But he respects every character he writes. He doesn't always does it perfect, but he tries.
Brian Michael Bendis is a kid in a sandbox who breaks other kids toys and leaves shouting "I don't want to play with you anymore!" as he goes.
I can't remember which actor it was, but one of them brought up to D&D that their character's death was surprising and rather unfitting. Not just due to them still being alive in the books, but just the way they went out.
Later on D&D went on a podcast and basically talked crap about them.
Whole thing kinda reeked of them believing themselves to always know what's right for the show. Which is pretty easy to see, now in retrospect.
I dunno about the Gohan thing, but when you read Dragon Ball, it's an adventure manga that culminates into fights from the natural progression of the story. By the time Z starts, it's just a fighting manga, and it just keeps getting worse and worse, with the Cell Saga being nothing but power creeps.
I think the series trying to feature Gohan later on was just Toryama trying to go back to a comedy / adventure series after being tired of just drawing fights for so long.
Snyder didn't deconstruct anything regarding superheroes with his films. They're just a darker and gritty take.
I remember there was some fuss when they
killed Barristan Selmy, so they could give his book role to Tyrion who had a very slow, aimless arc in A Dance with Dragons that leaves him outside Mereen.
Piccolo. He's been useless since the Cell arc and only now he gets to do something in a movie nearly 30 years later.
Yeah it's funny I loved Man of Steel, and I really liked his Justice League. I'm now lukewarm to BvS but man I loathed BvS the first time I saw it. But it's really a case of him doing things with those characters some folks didn't like. He clearly loves them just…not for the same reasons many do.
There's what JJ did with rose… he basically dismissed her…and Synder who just approached them in ways people didn't like. Maybe he didn't care for aspects of those characters people love…but he loved something there.
I pretty much agree with all of this
Though I like Hickman because he does try!
Yep! That's it. Actor read ahead in the books and was looking forward to filming all those scenes. Then they just get rid of his character prematurely, and in a very, very lame way.
When Bendis went to DC to write Superman, I told my partner "He's going to get rid of John Kent somehow. Then he's going to write Superman the way he wants and then on his exit, he'll break any fan idea about how the status quo of the World's Finest Super frienda family can come back."
Sure enough he did.
Bendis is best left to his own ideas or his own universe.
The second you left his ideas become continuity he falls apart. Hell I'd argue that's why the Ultimate Universe failed in the end.
Bendis is fine writing anything street level and down. Above that he's trash.
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