Crazy there's people out there unknowingly still playing in high input lag mode on their TVs

AbsoluteZero0K · Dec 22, 2019

StallionDan said:
Newer TVs should auto-switch when a console is detected. By should I mean it's an actual feature.

Only after you activate it the first time.

My OLED has a "game mode" on it, but I had to look for it after switching from PC to TV Tekken, and noticing that the input lag felt like I was playing on 56K again.

The TV has "memorized" this setting for gaming, and switches automatically now.

Abominuz · Dec 22, 2019

ohlawd said:
I went over to a friend's house to play CoD and I noticed right away how scuffed the input was. I'm like bruh put this shit on PC input and he's all what's that. did it for him and said it's a world's difference. he was already really good with all that input lag too lol

This.
I am a gamer for 30 years and just found out 3 years ago i need to put it on PC input. Felt so stupid i did not knew this.

MazeHaze · Dec 22, 2019

dock said:
Laggy TVs do make streaming make more sense, especially if they put the input wifi directly into the gamepad.

I have a few friends who have laggy TVs and it's always upsetting to watch.

Streaming on a laggy tv is even worse than a console or PC on a laggy TV though.

NuclearCake · Dec 22, 2019

That and along with having a horribly inaccurate picture settings. Like having cool set as the color temperature or having the sharpness dialed all the way up. It looks terrible. I had to try really hard to convince some stubborn people i know to dial in the correct settings on their tv and after FINALLY doing so they are amazed at what a difference it makes.

Conkerkid11 · Dec 22, 2019

Eugene's Axe said:
That's me. I play with soap opera effect on. I played my games in their hardest difficulty anyways. I'm kind of a masochist.

Oh god. My grandparents have that mode enabled on their TV. I can't stand it.

ArkhamFantasy · Dec 22, 2019

I didnt realize i was doing this until i played the megaman x collection, i knew something was off because it was so different from the original version.

Sanctuary · Dec 22, 2019

Jaded Alyx said:
100% sure this is why some people struggle with certain games eg. fighting games

I've refused to play on anything that has more than a single frame of input lag specifically because of fighting games, and also usually just play on a PC monitor that is below that for them. Even the arcade games had input lag to a degree, but it was nothing like the way it was back in 2009 on many modern TVs, even sometimes within "Game Mode". It was great going to a local event, only to play on some 50'' wall mounted TV that seemed like it actually had 800ms of input lag. This wasn't even on the PS3 either.

The first time I played through God of War (2018) was on a crappy, but "lagless" monitor, and when I later tried playing it on even just a 40ms TV, it seemed like I was trying to push against molasses.

Conkerkid11 said:
Oh god. My grandparents have that mode enabled on their TV. I can't stand it.

A few years ago one of my relatives ended up with a new TV that they said they really liked, but that they were being really annoyed by that feature and asked me if I knew how to turn it off for them. A neighbor just recently asked me how to do it in October.

Also, it's kind of funny how some can't stand that effect while watching shows, but want 60+ FPS in video games. Another friend, who only plays on the consoles was playing some games on my PC, and was saying that it looked and felt "weird". When I said that it was because it was 60fps, he said that it seemed like the soap opera effect most people don't want active, but I actually wasn't seeing that at all.

MazeHaze · Dec 22, 2019

VDenter said:
That and along with having a horribly inaccurate picture settings. Like having cool set as the color temperature or having the sharpness dialed all the way up. It looks terrible. I had to try really hard to convince some stubborn people i know to dial in the correct settings on their tv and after FINALLY doing so they are amazed at what a difference it makes.

Man cool temp is the worst. They try out warm and go *yuck it looks yellow!* Without realizing the settings they usually use make the whole picture neon blue

Alucardx23 · Dec 22, 2019

Ametroid said:
Was today at someones house and noticed while playing it had the worst input lag i ever witnessed, they don't know what im talking about put it in game mode etc for them let them play feel the difference they said it does feel slightly more responsive.

Then when going back and turning off game mode etc they noticed a bigger difference seeing how bad it was and how they been playing like this all this time now they see improvement in their gameplay k/ds etc, it was some Hisense tv i think it was never heard of some company.

I think awareness should be spread about game mode on tvs and what input lag is to casual gamers and even some hardcores seem to still not know what it is aswell instead of blaming their own abilities why they're not playing well the blame should be on their poor displays not meant for gaming hindering them

edit: 2.0 punctuation added

Progress is being made on this. Hopefully all next gen consoles and most new TVs will support the feature below.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/11/xbox-one-auto-game-mode-and-freesync/

Apathy · Dec 22, 2019

I'm upset new tvs have that fucking smoothing/soap opera shit on by default

spam musubi · Dec 22, 2019

I used to play my PS4 games through a capture card on my PC for a while and thought Sekiro was way too punishing, but when I plugged my PS4 directly into my monitor it became significantly easier and I just blasted through the game.

Reedirect · Dec 22, 2019

I realized it was switched off on my TV, so thank you for bringing this up, but my TV can't do a gaming mode paired with HDR, which is kinda annoying.

T002 Tyrant · Dec 22, 2019

Lag, shmag, hasn't held me back.

Deleted member 7948 · Dec 22, 2019

Iriscomeback said:
I never use it because the image quality takes a massive hit when I turn it on. Dull colors, dark image....

And I don't really notice the difference tbh

Yup, I find the shitty image quality way more noticeable than some extra ms of input lag.

Starwing · Dec 22, 2019

StallionDan said:
Newer TVs should auto-switch when a console is detected. By should I mean it's an actual feature.

Good news is that most new tvs coming up next year should have HDMI 2.1 which features Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM).

Afrikan · Dec 22, 2019

I play with interpolation for single player games... even the newest COD.

Always played like that with DriveClub. Looked much smoother.

Not the highest setting, but the middle one "smooth" for LG OLEDs.

The games look and move Amazing! 😈

BUT obviously, game mode for Madden, COD Online, UFC Online, etc.

Detective Pidgey · Dec 22, 2019

Some people also use different picture modes (standard, cinema etc) because they find that the game mode degrades picture quality. I did notice this with older TVs like the Sony 930e that I had but with the Samsung Q9FN I just don't see the difference at all.

Low input lag all the way, for any game really.

Eugene's Axe · Dec 22, 2019

Conkerkid11 said:
Oh god. My grandparents have that mode enabled on their TV. I can't stand it.

Lol, at first I used it only for my ps4 because I forgot to disable it in that HDMI port, now I use it even for movies. Gravity looks glorious.

edo_kid · Dec 22, 2019

I have game mode on with some processing features turn on and I don't notice any diference. I guess it depends on the type of games you play.

RowdyReverb · Dec 22, 2019

This is why cloud gaming latency might not be as big a deal to a lot of people. If anything they'll just notice the improved ping to servers for multiplayer matches and call it a win

sora bora · Dec 22, 2019

I notice it instantly, and I'm not a high FPS PC enthusiast.

I didn't play the Switch Megaman collections because the lag was so frustrating. The recent SaGa re-release, also on Switch, has insane lag.

monketron · Dec 22, 2019

RowdyReverb said:
This is why cloud gaming latency might not be as big a deal to a lot of people. If anything they'll just notice the improved ping to servers for multiplayer matches and call it a win

Won't a TV try and do it's post-processing (that causes the lag) on a streaming signal also?

Maeros · Dec 22, 2019

Man so many people have their tv's wrong. Worst offender i see often is sharpness way too high. And ofcourse contrast settings all wrong and then they complain how the game looks bad.

SirBaron · Dec 22, 2019

Afrikan said:
I play with interpolation for single player games... even the newest COD.

Always played like that with DriveClub. Looked much smoother.

Not the highest setting, but the middle one "smooth" for LG OLEDs.

The games look and move Amazing! 😈

BUT obviously, game mode for Madden, COD Online, UFC Online, etc.

me too, I'd take(for me) unnoticeable input lag for much smoother console games.

AxkilAvenger · Dec 22, 2019

eraFROMAN said:
Constantly see sharpness all the way up, cool color temp, all kinds of processing effects turned up, game or pc mode off, and overscan. Friends have gotten used to having me calibrate every screen I come across...at the very least, I knock some of the input lag out, and it becomes much easier to look at the screen for the length of a movie or game session.

I play with my sharpness all the way up. I'm using a 65" TCL for my Switch and because of my set up, I'm sitting roughly 5-6 feet away from the screen

Deleted member 16136 · Dec 22, 2019

Learnt about PC mode years ago and have been thankful ever since. Basically turns off all that shit.

Still cant believe how smeary the image looks, even after PC mode, on modern expensive TV's compared to my old as fuck plasma TV. It's gross.

WarpSpeedMolasses · Dec 22, 2019

CRTs need to make a comeback.

dom · Dec 22, 2019

My TV's lowest input lag is 45ms. I also run my consoles through a capture card and play through the live preview because my TV also doubles as my only monitor. I probably play with over 100ms of input lag on consoles LUL

EarlGreyHot · Dec 22, 2019

ADS said:
Out of curiosity, what TV do you have?

An LG, FullHD. Don't know the type. It wasn't expensive

Angst72 · Dec 22, 2019

louiedog said:
I knew people who'd watched stretched 4:3 SD content on their first HD TV for years. Sometimes it was a matter of just switching to a different channel because they were paying for HD cable, but they were just used to going to that old number.

I always want to know and understand everything about using my purchases, whether it's an expensive TV or electric toothbrush.

In-laws always watch the SD channels and I'm like, can we please switch to the HD channel? They're like "what a pain in the ass, nobody can see any difference, I read that you must sit max one meter from the TV to see any difference". Then we switch anyway and they still thinks it's not worth it.

louiedog · Dec 22, 2019

Angst72 said:
In-laws always watch the SD channels and I'm like, can we please switch to the HD channel? They're like "what a pain in the ass, nobody can see any difference, I read that you must sit max one meter from the TV to see any difference". Then we switch anyway and they still thinks it's not worth it.

Yikes. How is it harder to choose the HD version instead of SD to begin with even if they don't care about the difference?

Do these people need glasses? I'd be worried about riding in their car.

Ostron · Dec 22, 2019

I saw two televisions today and both had interpolation on. I'm not the one to take a dump on someone's setup if no one asks but damn it drives me nuts. I suppose they're happy with it though!

Angst72 · Dec 22, 2019

louiedog said:
Yikes. How is it harder to choose the HD version instead of SD to begin with even if they don't care about the difference?

Do these people need glasses? I'd be worried about riding in their car.

Channel 1, 2, 3 or 4, vs 151, 152, 153 or 154. SVT 1 is on channel 1 for them and always will be.

LordDraven · Dec 22, 2019

BFIB said:
When I got my TCL and discovered game mode, it was such a huge difference as someone who played MLB The Show for years with horrible lag on my old panel.

I have tlc and have it on game mode. Is that the same as pc setting?

RowdyReverb · Dec 22, 2019

monketron said:
Won't a TV try and do it's post-processing (that causes the lag) on a streaming signal also?

True, I was thinking on mobile devices though. It would be even worse as a home streaming solution!

finalflame · Dec 22, 2019

Sanctuary said:
Also, it's kind of funny how some can't stand that effect while watching shows, but want 60+ FPS in video games. Another friend, who only plays on the consoles was playing some games on my PC, and was saying that it looked and felt "weird". When I said that it was because it was 60fps, he said that it seemed like the soap opera effect most people don't want active, but I actually wasn't seeing that at all.

Interesting considering these are not the same. Content rendered natively at 60fps and 24/30fps content interpolated to 60fps are entirely different.

Lys Skygge · Dec 22, 2019

I was initially concerned when I got my new 4K Vizio earlier this year and Uncharted 4 felt like shit to play, until I set it to "Game Mode". It's a night and day difference.

senj · Dec 22, 2019

monketron said:
Won't a TV try and do it's post-processing (that causes the lag) on a streaming signal also?

Yes. The lag stacks. "This is why streaming isn't so bad" is just hot nonsense absent some negative latency setups that really only exist in Google's extremely pie-in-the-sky marketing.

Sanctuary · Dec 22, 2019

finalflame said:
These are not the same. Content rendered natively at 60fps and 24/30fps content interpolated to 60fps are entirely different.

I know they aren't the same. I was simply mentioning how one can look so drastically different to one person, yet claimed to look "the same" to another is all. As far as shows go though, I actually can't stand HFR content either, and it's not using "fake" frames. Even when it's actually 60fps it just looks so bad to me, yet games do not.

lowhighkang_LHK · Dec 22, 2019

For those that don't know. It's pretty simple.

Go to your TV's settings, then go to Picture Mode - you'll see choices like, Standard, Dynamic, Movie, Sports, ---> [GAME] <----

And then choose Game. What this does is turn off all bullshit post processing the TV does to minimize input lag. Also, most video-philes agree that these extra things, not only add input lag, but fuck up the natural image as well.

You can also adjust sharpness and color and all that stuff to your desire afterwards too. Setting your TV on game mode often turns the sharpness and color way too high. You can adjust those settings down and everything should be good.

DMC5 is the only game that I've played, where there is a one time message (and only one time, so it's not invasive) where it recommends the player to put their display to Game Picture Mode.

I wish other developers did that too. You can't blame people if they simply don't know. So education on these things is important. I mean, thank the person who told me about it, all those years ago.

lowhighkang_LHK · Dec 22, 2019

visit www.rtings.com more information before you buy a tv

they review the tvs and tell you things like input lag on non-game vs game mode. (among many other things)

Ohri-Jin · Dec 22, 2019

Man my brother in law had his tv in demo mode. The mode they have on for in shops. I kid you not!!

He played CoD games on that very terrible bright high input lag mode...😂

I was like how the f did you survive like that all those years..

RedOnePunch · Dec 22, 2019

I love my plasma but even in game mode it has over 73ms of input lag. Finally got tired of it and just started playing everything on my PC gaming monitor. I think LCD technology sucks and my plasma has a far superior image quality, but the lag is so much more important than anything else.

Sanctuary said:
Also, it's kind of funny how some can't stand that effect while watching shows, but want 60+ FPS in video games. Another friend, who only plays on the consoles was playing some games on my PC, and was saying that it looked and felt "weird". When I said that it was because it was 60fps, he said that it seemed like the soap opera effect most people don't want active, but I actually wasn't seeing that at all.

One is actually being rendered 60x every second while the other isn't. Also games are not the same as TV/video. A 24fps game looks a lot choppier and blurrier than film.

Theswweet · Dec 22, 2019

My highschool friend was playing his PS3 in SD for years before I told him to use HDMI on his HD TV.

BFIB · Dec 22, 2019

LordDraven said:
I have tlc and have it on game mode. Is that the same as pc setting?

Yup, makes a huge difference in latency.

Clefargle · Dec 22, 2019

Raonak said:
High input lag is like gokus weighted clothes. Its good for training your gamer skills.

It adds an innate level of difficulty and requires sharpend reaction times.

Theres a high learning curve so i can understand most people whimping out. But if you can git gud, then you will experience gaming in another level.

You'll literally be able to feel the frames before they appear.

this better be non serious

Captain of Outer Space · Dec 22, 2019

It's the real git gud difficulty for Souls games.

Deleted member 16136 · Dec 22, 2019

Theswweet said:
My highschool friend was playing his PS3 in SD for years before I told him to use HDMI on his HD TV.

Seen this. Also seen my friend proudly proclaiming his new 4K TV amazingness and how games look incredible ......... while running everything on his PS4 Pro in 1080p.

Pargon · Dec 22, 2019

dock said:
Laggy TVs do make streaming make more sense, especially if they put the input wifi directly into the gamepad.

Display lag doesn't mask streaming lag. It adds to it.

Conkerkid11 said:
Oh god. My grandparents have that mode enabled on their TV. I can't stand it.

I would use it more, if not for the input lag. Smoothness is very important to me. That's from a 2010 Sony TV.
I think a lot of people have only used displays with bad interpolation processing and assume that it's all bad. It will never be perfect of course, but perfect is the enemy of good.

MazeHaze said:
Man cool temp is the worst. They try out warm and go *yuck it looks yellow!* Without realizing the settings they usually use make the whole picture neon blue

I generally agree with you; all of my own displays are calibrated to D65.
But I was round at my sister's place for the holidays this weekend, and she really likes to have cool lighting in all of her lamps. Very much the opposite of my taste, where I use Hue color lights to have extra-warm lighting below 2000K.
She had a new Samsung TV that I set up for her, and using the warm color temperature settings looked bad in those lighting conditions. I was also surprised to find that this particular TV doesn't even let you select the warm color temperature settings if it's not in the movie picture mode (it's an older/low-end model).

Detective Pidgey said:
Some people also use different picture modes (standard, cinema etc) because they find that the game mode degrades picture quality. I did notice this with older TVs like the Sony 930e that I had but with the Samsung Q9FN I just don't see the difference at all.

It really depends on the TV. With my Sony LCD game mode actually improves image quality by displaying full RGB/4:4:4 chroma, while the other picture modes are subsampled 4:2:2.
The only other difference between game mode on/off is that it disables the interpolation and noise reduction features. All picture options are available, and there's no other effect on image quality.

Astral Lovelace · Dec 22, 2019

Ogs said:
Seen this. Also seen my friend proudly proclaiming his new 4K TV amazingness and how games look incredible ......... while running everything on his PS4 Pro in 1080p.

As an owner of a PS4 Pro and a 4K TV, there is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing 1080p mode on it. Frames before pixels brah.

Crazy there's people out there unknowingly still playing in high input lag mode on their TVs

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