You've never enjoyed a game with a low MC score? You clearly have no interest in this game, so why have you been in here console warring for the whole morning? That's what's most pathetic about this thread.
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Crackdown 3 Review Thread
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And that's cool, you do you. I just don't like people trying to spin how this turned out as a positive. You still would enjoy it the same if the general reception was more positive, no?
I also never said there aren't good reasons for game pass, I just think "who cares about the game being mediocre, game pass!" isn't a good one.
You are in a review thread. Trying to handwave bad reception with "well some people enjoy it" is the weakest form of defensiveness I've seen. I never said people can't enjoy it.
That's a good idea! Game pass is the ideal format for episodic games.
Maybe you need to take a step back and look at your own posts a bit as they start to sound as wild.
The problem with people saying that "Sony had The Order etc" and "Nintendo had that" is clearly that those are outliners while for the most part delivering heavily on the ~90 rated Range.
Imagine having God of War and Breath of the Wild being in the Top5 most awarded games of all time and thinking about that even in this Gen they might not even stay there because there are from them still some coming that have huge potential to be better like The Last of Us 2 as example.
Outside of Forza and Ori,which is available on Steam too, nothing really is competing.
Even Gears and Halo will probably never make it up there again because these Studios don't seem good enough to catch the spirit of the former entries and reimagine them.
Everything different they try seems to be heavily underperforming too which they seriously should get sorted out.
Their Variety Output is having serious problems.
If it isn't part of the trifecta you can bet it turns mostly out like Crackdown 3 and this was something that already started last Gen and should have been fixed all along.
This was the Gen for them to fix those problems and build trust.
Saving up everything for their Attack in the Next Gen is a stupid thing to say too and Microsoft probably shouldn't think that way either.
Sony released in their "write off Gen" months before the PS4 came The Last of Us and in general many games that existed to build a library and especially consumer trust and mindshare making people confident into the offerings they have in the future.
There speaks nothing against releasing their AAA 90+ rated exclusives again in the NextGen if they have them sitting around right now.
And with Microsoft banking so heavily on BC it should actually be one of the points they should abuse to gain mindshare.
Hell sell the licenses for downloading better textures for 10$ or so in the NextGen if people bought the game on the X1 and were so happy with it that they want to play it again in prettier so it doesn't feel wasted if they release like 3 months before their new console is releasing.
Imagine having God of War and Breath of the Wild being in the Top5 most awarded games of all time and thinking about that even in this Gen they might not even stay there because there are from them still some coming that have huge potential to be better like The Last of Us 2 as example.
Outside of Forza and Ori,which is available on Steam too, nothing really is competing.
Even Gears and Halo will probably never make it up there again because these Studios don't seem good enough to catch the spirit of the former entries and reimagine them.
Everything different they try seems to be heavily underperforming too which they seriously should get sorted out.
Their Variety Output is having serious problems.
If it isn't part of the trifecta you can bet it turns mostly out like Crackdown 3 and this was something that already started last Gen and should have been fixed all along.
This was the Gen for them to fix those problems and build trust.
Saving up everything for their Attack in the Next Gen is a stupid thing to say too and Microsoft probably shouldn't think that way either.
Sony released in their "write off Gen" months before the PS4 came The Last of Us and in general many games that existed to build a library and especially consumer trust and mindshare making people confident into the offerings they have in the future.
There speaks nothing against releasing their AAA 90+ rated exclusives again in the NextGen if they have them sitting around right now.
And with Microsoft banking so heavily on BC it should actually be one of the points they should abuse to gain mindshare.
Hell sell the licenses for downloading better textures for 10$ or so in the NextGen if people bought the game on the X1 and were so happy with it that they want to play it again in prettier so it doesn't feel wasted if they release like 3 months before their new console is releasing.
While MS output could be a lot better I would not say its bad.
It's not like people are starved for games on the MS system.
You asked wouldn't people rather play good games to mediocre ones. To a lot of people Crackdown 3 is a good game and they'll get a lot of enjoyment out of it. It's pretty simple. Not every game is going to be for you. And I just saw that you said Gears 4 sucked lol. Talk about bad taste...
Maybe you're right, but as a MS fan back to the original Xbox it really pains me to see this be the standard they are at now. And it pains me to see people try to defend it rather than hold them accountable and try to make them do better.
Because I've been an Xbox fan since the original, and have owned every Xbox release. I'm here because being sycophantic to MS over this stuff is not going to make them do better, and people like you are sending them the wrong message by blindly supporting them and spending your time in a review thread trying to hand wave awful review scores. I don't think I've particularly mentioned the other consoles, so how saying MS are doing bad when they're doing bad can be considered "console warring" I think says more about your attitude than mine.
I've bought every system since the Nes, there's always been something a console had that made it worth the asking price.
The Xbox One is the only device i've never owned because it just doesn't have anywhere near enough compelling games to be worth it.
It's basically Forza and indies that make it even remotely interesting, even the Wii U had a better library.
MS's output this gen has been bad, but that's only good news for the future because the only way to go from here is up.
I'm partially in agreement with you. It's a lower quality output lately, but it's the tail end result of many bad decisions. I've enjoyed to varying degrees the majority of the output, but it's been lesser than the 360 years. I'm looking forward to Gears 5 and then I'm much more so looking forward to next gen, where they've clearly laid their chips. This game never seemed right and while I hope people get enjoyment out of it...shit ain't for me.
I have good feelings about what MS is about to start bringing to the table.
Because of third parties, yes. Their output has been on late stage Wii U levels at points in terms of frequency of releases. I'm happy for people who enjoy Sea of Thieves, and I believe them the game has gotten better (even though there are people who say the game has been good from the start, which is a resounding no from me dawg). Personally I won't ever touch it again after that shitshow of a launch.
I think it's time to move Joe Staten back to Halo where he belongs. Both projects he has been involved with have not turned out great at all. Recore and now this. Recore I actually enjoyed, and have yet to play Crackdown 3 yet.
Pretty sure a lot of people would have preferred an awesome Crackdown game 2 years ago instead of what we got now. Don't project some peoples posts into one entity.
So because some people on this forum enjoy Crackddown and are enjoying Crackdown 3 they're not holding MS accountable. If Crackdown truly is a bad game, people won't play it for long and word of mouth won't be good. MS will see that.
This game is the last legacy of that era of Xbox, in the last years of Don Mattrick. I don't think he's personaly responsible, that would be foolish, but we have to admit the state of the division wasn't exactly the same as today.
Microsoft wanted their gaming division to be a PR for their cloud tech with that game, that was the beginning of the mess we get today. I believe the end of the 360 was the darkest time for Xbox in term of freedom of action and maybe financial ressources. I mean look at the OG One, the line up with all that forced Kinect gimmick and tv everywhere.
Thanks to Satya Nadella, the division is strongest than ever in term of position in the company and have money. That makes sense when you realise 1 dollars out of 8 Microsoft make comes from Xbox.
Every people saying this game is either Mattrick's or Spencer's fault misunderstand how a company work. Beeing the head of some team or division or whatever doesn't free you from executing your boss instructions.
So what would crackdown 3 have to have been for you to be happy?
Have you even played it?
Were you a fan of it?
Define bad.
If I had to score game output from MS I would give MS a 6.4/10 and Sony a 9/10
But on a unrelated note BC, gamepass and having a decent mid gen updgrade has made there system pretty great.
And you shouldn't. Myerson also had a lot to do with the results of CD3 today.
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Look, people enjoyed Driveclub even with all it's online issues that took forever to get sorted out. It was unique yes, but was not selling well enough to garner a big enough following to keep the doors open for that developer.
People who enjoy it on this forum are not the mass market, same goes for people who like crackdown. There are aspects people like enough to keep investing time into it, while others they don't see it worth putting in the time, when they could be doing that to other higher quality games.
And I would argue the people wanting to play something else are not in the minority.
Rand Al Thor commented in his review that he thinks they wasted the first 3-4 years trying to work the Cloud in and that the game is basically a 2y old game, which would make sense seeing the bad reviews.
I know he is pals with Jez from Windocentral so it could be true, but maybe someone can clarify this point regarding the cloud
But he is right. A lot of guys pointed what you said doesn't embrace reality.
When we get reviews and sales from most of the games you pointed they were not good.
QB bombed, Sunset bombed, Gears4 didn't sell like the last ones. MCC had a bad start and stayed in a poor situation for almost 3 years. Halo 5 didin't sell well like old ones.
MS can change that next-gen, but will be really hard, it is not just buy studios. They need to step up their whole development process.
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Opinions are subjective.
Anyone can say Halo 5 sucks, or Uncharted 4 sucks.
80+% of ppl here in this thread don't even have Xbox or care about Crackdown 3.
Even with "subpar" games Xbox has one of the best exclusives games per category out there if compared to Sony.
Halo 5 >>> Killzone Shadow Fall
Gears 4 >>> The Order 1866
Sunset Overdrive >>> Infamous Second Son
Forza Motorsport 5/6/7 >>> Gran Turismo Sport
Forza Horizon 2/3/4 >>> Driveclub
Killer Instinct >>> Street Fighter 5
Super Lucky's Tale >>> Knack
Ori and The Blind Forest >>> ???
Sea of Thieves >>> ???
Halo Wars 2 >>> ???
Don't matter if someone like a Metacritic 50 or 90+ game.
Do you guys care too much about Scores and if other ppl love something you don't love.
You vague menttions of "a lot" is already really telling.
Please take a step back and condiser you are in a review thread saying reviews don't matter because some people enjoy a thing. You are being ridiculously defensive here.
Wow. Different taste = horrible taste apparently. Heaven forbid someone is different from you.
To be fair, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive were not developed by Microsoft. And neither of them were bad games.
The only thing less surprising than these scores is this thread turned into a console war shitshow.
Embrace reality?
A lot of MS games have scored over 80 on meta critic and sold quite well, how does that equal the games are not good?
I'm not trying to spin anything regarding Crackdown though, the game they have delivered is more or less exactly what I would have wanted. I like it, as do others who have played it (including reviewers). I haven't, and I have no desire to go through the reviews to see why some didn't care for it as that serves no purpose. I know what the game is and what I like about it.
Of course, I wouldn't say that. However, there are some games that might be considered "mediocre" critically that I would enjoy. In those cases then the game isn't "mediocre" to me. I subscribe the Game Pass because there are several games that I would have bought regardless, so the subscription is a much better deal for me.
Sunset is one of the best games this entire generation and I'll hear nothing further to the contrary.
Nah I'm being reasonable, reviews don't determine someone's ability to enjoy a game as you're suggesting.
Pretty much what all of us have been saying about crackdown as a franchise. It needed to be re-thought without the whole cloud thing getting in the way of development.
If they were able to just rethink and and take a look, at open world games they might have taken the series in a better direction instead of remaking a game from 2007 with a better engine.
Expected better after all this development time
Thank god it's on Game Pass
This is the last of the Mattrick era of games
Next gen will be better
Crackdown fans like the game
Reviews are brutal
Game is kinda fun, kinda bad but as usual the thread becomes a Microsoft is shite thread
But that's not how any of this works. It's extremely rare for studios to hit paydirt goty level stuff first time out. If it was as simple as time,money and talent all you'd need to do i poach talent and your garauntee success. Those are the three elements REQUIRED for success, but they do not GARAUNTEE success. You can see a straight line of progress from PS3 to ps4. It didn't just suddenly happen
I didn't say they are bad games, I enjoyed Sunset a LOT, didn't play QB. I'm talking about sales...
