Covid-19 will be around for ever, says former UK chief scientific adviser
Prof Mark Walport says regular vaccinations are likely to be required to control coronavirus
www.theguardian.com
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Covid-19 will be around for ever, says former UK chief scientific adviser
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Spanish flu died out after 2/3 years tho?
EDIT: Not quite died out. Yeah it's a different situation I guess.
www.history.com
EDIT: Not quite died out. Yeah it's a different situation I guess.
Spanish Flu - Symptoms, How It Began & Ended
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.
www.history.com
Well, yeah. All diseases live forever, there just won't be exploding cases every time they resurface.
No it didn't - there was an H1N1 pandemic just 11 years ago, same virus as Spanish Flu.
I mean I expect repeat doses of whatever vaccine, but it's not going to mutate like the flu...
Just remember this is one guy's opinion. Quite frankly, we can't say for sure.
Just remember this is one guy's opinion. Quite frankly, we can't say for sure.
I thought most people were aware of this.
This is never going away, while society will find ways to adapt, this is the new normal.
Would like to see how long vaccines can protect us though. If we can get one year guaranteed protection, people will treat it as a mandatory flu shot.
Anti vaxxers though...
This is never going away, while society will find ways to adapt, this is the new normal.
Would like to see how long vaccines can protect us though. If we can get one year guaranteed protection, people will treat it as a mandatory flu shot.
Anti vaxxers though...
There needs to be a strict approach to dealing with these people. No freedom of thought when their erroneous and illogical stance literally puts lives at risk.
Im so sick and tired of people hiding behind MUH FREEDUMBZ
Every assumption they have made about this pandemic as being similar to past flu pandemics (waves, environments, symptoms, protection, etc.) has been wrong, and the corrections have come late and have been too costly.
That said, it is way too premature to even consider an "end" or vanquishing of the virus.
That said, it is way too premature to even consider an "end" or vanquishing of the virus.
This 100%. I'm tired of paying for the stupidity of others. Some asshole decided to travel to Florida, come back to work, lie about his symptoms and expose a bunch of people, only to get sent home and come back positive. He was one of those "it's overblown" types.
Fucking tired of this shit.
Eh, as a healthcare worker and former scientific researcher, this headline is just fear-mongering. It's possible it will be around for a while, but I haven't seen any evidence that it is impossible to contain and control in ways we don't do for the common cold or the seasonal flu.
Smallpox was eradicated though, internationally declared as well.
Also this guy is saying something completely different from what the WHO chief stated, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...could-rein-in-pandemic-in-less-than-two-years
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Pretty much the assumption for a while already I thought? It was always likely to end up as an endemic thing that is vaccinated for on a seasonal basis.
Pretty much. We'll need vaccines and treatments. On top of that we'll probably have a lasting change in the way we go about our lives daily to help manage.
We need to call it something unified other than this hodgepodge of random scientific terms.
how about the 2020 Virus
how about the 2020 Virus
Smallpox was unusual in that its only reservoir was in humans. This is a zoonotic virus, so it's always gonna still be out there somewhere.
It'll be around for years yet, but hopefully given that currently it seems to be slow to mutate the virus can gradually be vaccinated and the worst symptoms of it can be treated much more efficiently. Plus if T-Cells remember what the virus is that will help things out.
We're certainly in a better position (Knowledge wise) about treating the virus than we were back in March.
We're certainly in a better position (Knowledge wise) about treating the virus than we were back in March.
Didn't smallpox come back though due to people ignoring vaccinations or am I imagining things?
Measles and whooping cough have done this, maybe also others I don't know about. Not smallpox though. Smallpox is literally gone except for a couple samples in a lab somewhere. Its only reservoir was humans, which made it possible to vaccinate it out of existence.
It's not like influenza at all. Covid-19 doesn't mutate a lot. The vaccine will hopefully be enough to eradicate it.
You can still get the black plague if you go poking around into rural areas of Washington state. COVID-19 might be around forever, but we will continue to study it, develop treatments, develop more effective vaccines / booster shots, and eventually reduce it to a point where it's not wrecking our society.
any odds of covid being nigh-eradicated were dashed the moment that humans decided to make it a partisan subject
Yeah I was going to say that as well. Coronavirus is generic. Covid-19 is dull. Needs some non-racist pizazz
COVID 19 seems fine. It's specific and includes the year it originated.
Smallpox is quite the exception when it comes to viruses. IIRC it's the only virus humans have successfully eradicated.
but then it has people asking "what were the other 18"
and COVID-19 is the sickness. It isn't actually the virus. It's called SARS-cov2 or whatever.
It needs a common name like "the cold"
yep.
Anybody who think's this is just a one time thing that goes away is out of their mind. Until there is a vaccine each year this wont' be a problem that goes away.
Don't know why some people are so hard set on them or their family and friends dying before they accept it.
Don't know why some people are so hard set on them or their family and friends dying before they accept it.
I mean the bubonic plague hasn't gone away, either. It just aint a pandemic anymore. Eventually the COVID-19 won't be a pandemic anymore, either.
I wish people would refer to the virus by its name (SARS-CoV-2 or Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome - Coronavirus 2)
The cold is a misnomer in that there isn't just one cold virus, there's a multitude of different viruses (Rhinovirus being the most common) that cause the symptoms we associate with the common cold. There are also four strains of Coronaviruses that cause cold symptoms.
All the major biology scientists are saying so but you can keep your optimism if you want to.
Well, the seasonal flu is 'around forever'. So I don't think he's suggesting it's different to that. The headline is obviously designed to grab attention, but what was said seems fair. I just hope that the vaccination period is longer than 6 months, and that vaccines cover a wide range of mutations (I don't know if that's possible?).
Flu vaccines work for 6 months, and are only effective 67% of the time right? So that's pretty crap. I can see the majority of folks not keeping up with those vaccinations, even if they aren't explicitly opposed to vaccination.
Yup, especially in the USA where it's leadership gives fuck all about it.
Well, "the flu" can be caused by several different viruses and even then, the mutation rate is extremely high. That's part of the difficulty of controlling it. There also isn't an incentive to do more to get rid of it because it's been around forever and (generally speaking) is pretty mild. If it were killing a huge percentage of the people who got it every year, much more would be done to control it. Comparing SARS-CoV-2 to influenza viruses isn't really fair as there's currently a large push to squash SARS-CoV-2 (especially considering it is killing the global economy). If treatment gets better, people will care less about totally getting rid of it. If SARS-CoV-2 mutates and becomes far more deadly, the push to eradicate it will become even larger. From what I read, the mutation rate of SARS-CoV-2 is significantly slower than that of the widely circulating flu viruses. The bigger problem is that animals will remain carriers and we will have to be wary of local outbreaks.
No, there wasn't. The 2009 flu wasn't the same as the Spanish flu. They are both H1N1 viruses, but there are multiple of them. Humans tend to be immune to strains once they have done an epidemic. Influenza A viruses just mutate so fast that even just looking at the families we have 20 of them.
"The cold" is a disease caused by several different, unrelated viruses. Predominantly the rhinovirus, but also multiple different strains of human coronavirus, or HCoV.
The virus and the state of pandemic are two completely different things. Just because the Virus will persist, doesn't mean it will stay as dangerous as it is today.
The Pandemic will end, the virus might not. Depends on how humans act, as long as people don't get vaccinated, take care of themselves or stay in contact with people who can transmit it, of course it will never leave.
But with Vaccination and discoveries of medication that can fight the Virus better, at least it will not be as lethal or contagious as its now. Causing the Pandemic to end, but we might still see Epidemics tho.
But with Vaccination and discoveries of medication that can fight the Virus better, at least it will not be as lethal or contagious as its now. Causing the Pandemic to end, but we might still see Epidemics tho.
Its one of two that humanity has eradicated: the other was a cattle virus called rinderpest.
Eradication of infectious diseases - Wikipedia
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Of course it wont. Covid-19's cousins SARS and MERS still exist today, but effect very little of the populous now in comparison to this new strain. That is why vaccines and better treatments was always going to be the solution. Once available the world will shift from a pandemic state to more localized epidemics then eventually just small outbreaks.
It's weird how we call the first SARS "SARS" but we call this second one "COVID-19"