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Could the Covenant (Halo) Defeat the Galactic Empire (Star Wars)?
- Thread starter Z-Beat
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That's kind of a tough one. I'd say they're even on a lot of fronts except for maybe their actual infantry. Stormtroopers just have regular plate armor, but the Elites and some other races have that and an energy shield. However the Empire can blow up planets, the covenant can glass them but it's a much longer, less immediate process.
An argument could be made that the First Order is just the Empire with a different paint job, so if we consider the Empire at the height of its power to be whatever the First Order had then they've got an entire fleet of Death Star Destroyers at their disposal as well as the Starkiller Base and the Covenant has nothing on that level of firepower.
I forgot but doesn't the Covenant have something on par with the NOVA bombs that the UNSC has? Cause those can bust up planets.
They're called turbolasers but aren't they just scaled up blasters that fire plasma? Both side would be firing pretty much the same thing.
You mean the one at the end of the last film? They never got that fleet off world though, it wouldn't count.
If activating a Halo array counts as a win for the Covenant, they could definitely pull it off. The Sangheili also seem more capable than any of the non-force wielding goobers the Empire sent out to do stuff. They can go invisble and have impeccable grenade aim.
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Pretty sure the Covenant at their peak is drastically smaller than the Empire. At least in terms of presence on a galactic scale. But then, Covenant ships dwarf the Empire's. A Covenant Supercarrier is about 50% longer than a Super Star Destroyer, and I'm pretty sure the Covenant have far more (IIRC the Empire only had like, 7 SSDs, give or take?). Overall Star Destroyer fleet probably dwarfs the Covenant fleet in return though.
Tactics I give to the Empire, but technology is a wildcard. If I had to guess, Star Wars energy shields are significantly more capable, but comparing weapon effectiveness would rely on ass-pulls and dubious reference novels.
I'm not sure, but my gut says Empire (while somewhat paradoxically, I'd say the UNSC is significantly more capable than the Rebellion).
Tactics I give to the Empire, but technology is a wildcard. If I had to guess, Star Wars energy shields are significantly more capable, but comparing weapon effectiveness would rely on ass-pulls and dubious reference novels.
I'm not sure, but my gut says Empire (while somewhat paradoxically, I'd say the UNSC is significantly more capable than the Rebellion).
The Empire were undone by a legion of small teddy bears with sticks and rocks.
It's well established that Covenant shields both on the ground and in space don't handle energy weapons well. Where as Star Wars shields can take quite a beating. Covenant shields would be down long before the Empire's
The Empire beats everyone except the Avengers+X-Men.
Magneto could crush Star Destroyers with his mind.
Covenant would simply be wiped out. Not even a contest.
Magneto could crush Star Destroyers with his mind.
Covenant would simply be wiped out. Not even a contest.
One side has a giant turbo laser that makes enemy planets go the way of the dodo while also possessing the technology to erect shields around their own worlds.
I'd say the Empire at its height, around the time of the first movie, would win.
I'd say the Empire at its height, around the time of the first movie, would win.
The Covenant were at their most potent when humanity didn't know they existed, or that they were coming. Once they were in open war, they did serious damage, but humanity was able to fight them in open combat.
And that's Halo's humanity, which is not NEARLY as well equipped as the galactic empire.
And that's Halo's humanity, which is not NEARLY as well equipped as the galactic empire.
For comparison, Storm Troopers are just grunts
Meanwhile Grunts at the low tier uses Plasma Pistols can eat through a Spartan armor
Meanwhile Grunts at the low tier uses Plasma Pistols can eat through a Spartan armor
The Empire. They seem bigger as an empire so have more ships and resources, plus there's no real tech or power advantage in the Covenants favour.
On the ground the Empire loses though, buut beating the Covenant on the ground didn't help the UNSC.
On the ground the Empire loses though, buut beating the Covenant on the ground didn't help the UNSC.
lol not. Even from Halo the Flood or Forerunner would wipe the Empire without much difficulty.
The Covenant ground forces would likely chew through Stormtrooper infantry with ease. I think it's definitely a war that'd be decided by naval superiority but I'm not sure what side edges it out on that front. The Empire have more resources and ships at their disposal, but the Covenant have some really hefty firepower in those Supercarriers.
Though using the fact that they were beaten by the UNSC doesn't knock too many points off of the Covenant. They would almost assuredly have beaten them were it not for the Great Schism and the Sangheili allying themselves with humanity.
Though using the fact that they were beaten by the UNSC doesn't knock too many points off of the Covenant. They would almost assuredly have beaten them were it not for the Great Schism and the Sangheili allying themselves with humanity.
If a Storm Trooper shoots a Jedi in the face they can kill them. Doesn't mean they will.
Covenant enemies can actually hit their targets. Also they've glassed more worlds than the Empire has destroyed with the Death Star.
So... Yeah, it's the Covenant.
So... Yeah, it's the Covenant.
But do they have Darth Sidious Sheev "UNLIMITED POWER" Palpatine who can fire lightning from his fingertips?
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The most prominent example of Stormtroopers failing to hit their target was the Death Star where they were letting them go. Imagine these guys as Grunts Zerg rushing the Empire.
The Empire has naval superiority in numbers, but on the ground the Covenant is extremely formidable. Stormtroopers vs Elites? AT ATs vs Scarabs? Come on, dawg.
The two wild cards I can't really account for are the Covenant's shipboard AIs and the Empire's space wizards (including Inquisitors). The AIs might give the Covenant a tactical edge in space combat, but Vader is Vader. Idk. This is a tossup for me.
The two wild cards I can't really account for are the Covenant's shipboard AIs and the Empire's space wizards (including Inquisitors). The AIs might give the Covenant a tactical edge in space combat, but Vader is Vader. Idk. This is a tossup for me.
Then that Grunt will get decimated as easily as the Trooper regardless of what they might be able to do if their opponent stood still and let them.
The Covenant absolutely stomp this in on-the-ground combat. Stormtroopers and AT-ATs vs Elites/Brutes/Hunters and Scarabs is incredibly one-sided.
Ship to ship is closer though. I'd say the Covenant out-class your usual Star Wars ship, but they don't have anything as singularly powerful as a Death Star (not counting the Halo rings themselves, which aren't really part of the Covenant)
Ship to ship is closer though. I'd say the Covenant out-class your usual Star Wars ship, but they don't have anything as singularly powerful as a Death Star (not counting the Halo rings themselves, which aren't really part of the Covenant)
The Covenant got beat by infighting between splintered factions. OP states "at the height of their power" which would be when they were unified.
Star Wars tech is so advanced that its probably borderline crossing into the point where it might be percieved as magic. Its just...storm troopers are so bad at fighting...compared to the UNSC grunts which should by all rights have been stomped out of existence by the covenant because their own tech is probably only couple hundred years more advanced than ours.
That stormtrooper will have to kill the Elite first as well as a shield Jackel before taking on the Grunts. And Stormtrooper are no better than a UNSC soldiers which killed billions of humans with a small fleet on Earth.
The Covenant enslave the inhabitants or else they won't have a Covenant
Ah we were talking about different things. You said Grunts could burn through Spartan Armour, I read that as a comparison between their respective lore not Trooper Vs Grunt.
Trooper Vs Grunt entirely depends on which lore you are working with. Film troopers are comedically ineffective, but they are better in other media.
And Grunts spook very easily whereas Troopers just push on.
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A grunt on Easy has better aim than a storm trooper.
The Empire got dunked on by a bunch of small bears with rocks and logs. Imagine the Emperor slowly hobbling along Delta Halo. Would get obliterated by jackal snipers before how could even think of the word Force.
The Empire got dunked on by a bunch of small bears with rocks and logs. Imagine the Emperor slowly hobbling along Delta Halo. Would get obliterated by jackal snipers before how could even think of the word Force.
Well on the one hand, Vader single handedly is probably more dangerous than the covernent. But ignoring force users, Halo (especially CE) AI for its armies are actually dangerous. While Storm Troopers seem to get dumber each time (they are useless to annoying levels in Mandalorian especially). So the empire would get wiped out easy.
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Worth noting that the UNSC were losing mad hard right up until Halo 2
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It only takes two Hunters to toss a garrison of stormtroopers tbh.
Even then, Elites alone are stronger and have better equipment.
Even then, Elites alone are stronger and have better equipment.
