I dont trust people to stay in quarantine, travel, touch anything and cough everywhere to not be peace in mind
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Coronavirus Discussion Thread (See Staff Post) [UPDATE: WHO declares global emergency. See threadmarks]
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Shingles/Chickenpox does a similar thing. We are walking meatbags filled with all sorts of horrible shit that our immune system usually keeps under control, until it doesn't.
Also malnutrition, bad hygiene and understaffed medical personnel because of the war.
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Unfortunately some evidences are showing this is the case... I do hope the mortality is not that high thought.
The second phase is caused by what is called an immune complex disease. There is several conditions in humans that involves this. It's basically a reaction to the antibodies that are attached to the antigens (the virus in the FIP case). There is currently no virus in people can cause this with high frequency in people but there are are cases of immune complexe disease in people that have been triggered/caused by virus (rare complication of certain viral infections). They actual use animal model of virus that do this in mice and cats to better underunderstand immune complex
Sorry, just did emergency exploratory on a 8 month kitten this morning. We were hoping for it to be just a swallowed object but this kitten does have FIP instead. Probably has a couple weeks to live. Just was very sad afterward and just hoped people never had to ever experience virus like this.
SARS and MERS did involve similar immune reactions seen in FIP. So it's not an unreasonable thing to think other Corona virus in people could do so.
Similar as in a permanently weakened immune system? I just want to make sure I'm understanding.
No, basically the virus survives in a weaken state in the body. It no longer cause the initial disease in that person because the immune system keeps it under control (think Tourista bug, people in endemic area no longer experience any symptoms but people new to the area can catch it from them).
However, is some cases, the immune system start to attack the virus in a different way. The weaken virus get trapped by antibodies and then the immune systems 'blast' the area slowly destroying the body. So it become an type of auto-immune disease. So basically it's over active immune system not immune compromised disease (such as AIDS).
Oh wow. That's actually scary. I sure as shit hope that isn't the care here.
Autoimmune diseases in people can very much be treated though. As someone with RA and Lupus, I know this intimately. There is no evidence that COVID19 or any specific virus can lead to autoimmune disease in humans.
I think they were just talking about a hypothetical situation where COVID19 did have that kind of reaction and then explaining how that could potentially play out.
I'm just trying to be realistic. Sorry, people were talking like it was a possibility. Like, GBS is thought to maybe be caused by a reaction to a virus but there is not even any proof for that. And GBS was most likely extremely fatal before modern medicine so it was studied.
Fascinating - but yes probably best keep this out of a thread full of hypochondriacs, especially if it's so unlikely and/or a baseless line of thought
Even if half the people with it are idiots like this, there are 7 billion people on the planet and likely only a few thousand with the condition. Even if it peaks out at a few million infected, your chances of encountering it would be 0.0001%
They're really not. Unless you can link directly to sound at sources saying otherwise
From BNO
1,638 new cases and 94 new deaths in Hubei province, China.
I would see it positively if we were sure about case acceptance but with maybe new rules of counting I don't think I want to see it for more than a number , we ll need to see a few days of evolution, its about 500 less cases than yesterday and 800 than 2 days ago
1,638 new cases and 94 new deaths in Hubei province, China.
I would see it positively if we were sure about case acceptance but with maybe new rules of counting I don't think I want to see it for more than a number , we ll need to see a few days of evolution, its about 500 less cases than yesterday and 800 than 2 days ago
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It's hard to take it Serious when the serious/critical condition went up by 800. Id love to be wrong but I think it's providing a false narrative. Even if China is being as truthful as possible I don't think they can keep up with the swarm of people that need to be treated
Top English Premier League player Deli Alle apologizes for his stupid video and "joke". The Football Association is expecting an explanation from him.
Alli apologises for coronavirus 'joke'
Tottenham's Dele Alli apologises for a social media post in which he joked about the coronavirus outbreak, saying "I let myself down and the club".www.bbc.com
What's even more interesting is that The Asian Footballer of the year, Heung-Min Son is a teammate
I m not surprised by the seriou critical condition added out of more than 30000 case admitted, if you look at Singapore they have 7 critical out of 47 cases, I think that due to the constraints in equipment and health worker a lot of people will evolve to critical condition in hubei (20-30%) we can see a 15% death rate there because of these constraints versus other part of china or countries (of course china won't admit that)
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That's a huge decrease and I'm pretty sure the new rules don't actually discount people without symptoms.
A whole bunch of new infections on that cruise, including one of the testers.
Give them a break, you shitty ass virus.
Give them a break, you shitty ass virus.
God dam another 39.
I've been saying it since the beginning but I'll say it again they need to get them off that dam boat. It's absolutely inhumane to force them to stay on it and it's causing more people to get sick
imagine the people with inside cabins with no window, it's like a prison. Also, seems to me fresh air and sunlight would be healthier overall, they should let them sit on the deck.
yes, they need to get off the boat, but which country will accept them?
The situation on the cruise ship is horror movie levels of nightmare. I feel so terrible for everyone on board. At the rate it's spreading and how long it takes to identify is it possible that everyone on the ship already has it, it's just a matter of time before the symptoms present? (Or am I getting that wrong and the theory you could have it without showing symptoms was debunked?) Surely they're not gonna be stuck on the boat until people start dying?
As for the ship we don't know how many people had it from the initial testing on February 4 and how many people contracted it since the initial testing.
I'm not sure I'm understanding the cruise ship situation. Is it that they had likely all been exposed at some point and the incubation is just playing out while they're in quarantine? Or are they somehow catching it despite continuing to be confined to their cabins?
Wherever the boat was supposed to disembark at the end of its journey. Countries can't accept the good from cruise ships without dealing with the crap
With the cruise ship, I'm assuming that the people just diagnosed with the virus have had it since before the quarantine, it's just that the tests didn't pick it up earlier, or they weren't tested because they hadn't displayed symptoms yet. The exception being the tester I guess (not knowing anything about their situation).
It's worrying that there are probably a lot of contagious people out there who display no symptoms and feel perfectly healthy, and they're just wandering around.
It's worrying that there are probably a lot of contagious people out there who display no symptoms and feel perfectly healthy, and they're just wandering around.
Incomplete breakdown, but it appears that a lot of Japanese are infected. Not sure why there are so many more.
I wonder about the ventilation system in the ship. Also how was food and drink prepared in the first week or two when they realized there was a developing problem. How many times did people leave their rooms in that time, touch elevator panels, stair rails, that sort of thing.
They only tested people who had symptoms.
I think it's more likely that someone with multiple opportunities to contact multiple people like a tour guide or a waiter rather than elevator buttons, but who knows.
How about the fucking country the boat is docked off the coast of? Does Japan not have anywhere they can place these people that's more humane than this floating prison, where every day you might be the next one to get infected? Cripes. This is almost Hague-worthy.
I imagine there must be ghost towns in the country, but in terms of having modern conveniences that boat is probably as good as it gets with international electricity, wifi, phones, washrooms/showers.
Surprised that most of the passengers are Japanese and Japan doing this to their own citizens.
Maybe they know more about the situation then they are letting public?
Stair railings, elevator buttons, sure. But the big one is breakfast and lunch dining, which is nearly 100% via buffet. There are hand sanitiser stations at the start of every single line, but you still get morons who don't use them, especially older people in my experience.
at this point, buffets are now making me nauseated just thinking about it
It's crazy how much this virus has become the talk of the town in Boston, a city with no actual cases beyond the one student who successfully quarantined himself. Chinatown's apparently taken a big hit, too :\
Gonna get a big lunch at my favorite chinatown spot tomorrow because it really sucks how xenophobic people have been getting over something that absolutely isn't an issue in the states yet.
Gonna get a big lunch at my favorite chinatown spot tomorrow because it really sucks how xenophobic people have been getting over something that absolutely isn't an issue in the states yet.
I was thinking about how self service stations might contribute to spreading diseases the other day. Instead of a few staff helping and serving customers, a lot of places, at least here, have customers get their own cutlery and sauces from these stations these days. And almost every fast food place here have self service stations to order your from a screen these days too.
Restaurants also let customers order off tablets.
Given that people on Era can't be trusted to shower daily, or wash their hands after using the bathroom (both literally confirmed in threads on those topics), yeah, you do have to wonder about whether the rest of humanity can actually be trusted with buffets.
Travel utensils are great if you find yourself out and about with a bag most days. $20-30 and you never have to use communal plastic utensils ever again!
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