Oh for sure! All the trappings of that type of gathering will spread a contagion very easily. It's why things spread badly on cruise ships. Even my sister got the norovirus on the one cruise she had ever been on lol.
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Oh for sure! All the trappings of that type of gathering will spread a contagion very easily. It's why things spread badly on cruise ships. Even my sister got the norovirus on the one cruise she had ever been on lol.
for those galaxy brain dumb "what about the flu tho" takes
Coronavirus Is Bad. Comparing It to the Flu Is Worse
The whataboutism of infectious disease is as dangerous as it is hackneyed.www.wired.com
Honestly, the people who post that shit don't care about the death toll, they just want to feel superior.
It is incredibly tiresome.
my guess is that the chopsticks the person was eating with was used to add ingredients to the broth and would also contaminate the other ingredients in the dish
Considering the nature of the virus, which should be deadly, probably more like...
Flu symptoms > Go to Indonesia Hospital > Probably common flu > Flu medicine and go home > symptoms worsen in next days > back to ER with severe dyspneu/respiratory failure > admited to ICU
Could easily turned out to be "the calm before the storm" situation, tbh. Hope that wont be the case.
I try to follow only sourced news about this in germany (tagesschau.de mostly) and they seem pretty resonable about the whole thing. with 14 cases in Germany there is no need to panick, but you should recheck your hand washing and standard hygiene that you should have anyways during the flu-season. My workplace also remebered people how to wash hands and sneeze/cough to not endager others needlessly. But is is flu/cold season since novembre, so nearly 50-60% of the people cough/sneeze etc. But I think it would be very wrong and even bad for the overall situation if everybody panics, there is like a <1% chance that it is Corona if it stays at the case number. AND if it was Corona for most of these 50-60%, it would be too late for self-quanatine anyways...
I think, IF this virus spreads in Germany there is not much more you can do about it. It is absolutely unlikely that major shutdowns like in China happen here and you can't just stay at home for weeks.
I think, IF this virus spreads in Germany there is not much more you can do about it. It is absolutely unlikely that major shutdowns like in China happen here and you can't just stay at home for weeks.
It's also a deliberate attempt to disinform which is funny because they seem to also be the loudest ones going on about disinformation. A whole city sealed off and empty as if it is the apocalypse. People being hauled off the streets in metal containers, others sealed up in their homes. Thousands stranded on ships. WHO declaring a global emergency...but hey guys, it's like the common, stop being alarmist and don't worry. When has all that ever happened for a common flu or cold?for those galaxy brain dumb "what about the flu tho" takes
Coronavirus Is Bad. Comparing It to the Flu Is Worse
The whataboutism of infectious disease is as dangerous as it is hackneyed.
Honestly, the people who post that shit don't care about the death toll, they just want to feel superior.
Oh yes, I'm sure people who are anxious for any scrap of good news or reason to not fucking stress about this situation on the other side of the world from Wuhan "jUsT wANt tO fEeL sUpERioR" and want to "dELibeRAtELy diSinForM".
My god. Some of you people.
for those galaxy brain dumb "what about the flu tho" takes
Coronavirus Is Bad. Comparing It to the Flu Is Worse
The whataboutism of infectious disease is as dangerous as it is hackneyed.
Honestly, the people who post that shit don't care about the death toll, they just want to feel superior.
Pretty much, it's the "Ackshually" mentality of superiority.
IMO there is not much good news about any of this yet, and honestly you might as well just tune out what is happening if it stressing you out. To me it's far more stressing to have people tell me everything is fine meanwhile I'm seeing fire and hearing alarms going off.
for those galaxy brain dumb "what about the flu tho" takes
Coronavirus Is Bad. Comparing It to the Flu Is Worse
The whataboutism of infectious disease is as dangerous as it is hackneyed.
Honestly, the people who post that shit don't care about the death toll, they just want to feel superior.
I personally don't think anyone is trying to feel superior when they caution for a more relaxed approach on the subject, i think it's coming from a good place to try to ease panic. However some people are going all the way with it and end up sounding like CCP mouthpieces in this thread which is really weird. The CCP is spreading enough misinformation, threatening and imprisoning people who speak on social media, and censoring a lot of posts on wechat and Chinese socia media sources. They don't need help with it, so no reason to be carrying water for an authoritarian regime people
It's been fascinating watching the discourse around this. Someone dies, the immediate questions that follow are "how old / sick were they originally" "were they from China". It's as if the death doesn't count if they fall into either of those categories or the virus isn't serious because the deaths are mostly in one place far away from us and are generally older people. We are desperate to distance ourselves from it, convince ourselves that we are safe from it, more so than we are worried about the lives of vulnerable people in hospitals currently dying.
Exactly. "Oh only Chinese people are dying so we will be fine" Or variants of it have been uttered many times in this thread already. Like those lives don't matter somehow. Like so:
Why are we limiting the sphere of concern to the US? Hundreds are dying but it's ok as long as the death rate outside of Hubei is low?
also, as for people not being aware how many flu deaths there are, why is this the right place for that conversation? The flu is a worldwide disease that is around all year long. This disease has only been around for about a month, is unknown in terms of how dangerous it is and how it can be combatted, and already has a large toll on the health infrastructure. Talking about how many people the flu kills is a really asinine number because they are incomparable in so many ways. It is borderline misleading. Which is covered in the article, btw.
A regime change led by Mr Hawley, wouldn't be desirable is what you're saying? Because you do think that the central government should be democratically elected, yes? (Whatever the result of that would be)
I further don't think shifting production will lead to much of anything, and really nothing that will affect how the Chinese state deals with the virus outbreak.
...but I don't see how this conversation belongs in this thread.
My Parents were supposed to go on a cruise leaving from Singapore but due to a 45 minute layover in Hong Kong they were denied entrance onto the cruise.
Agreed. You will have some people who are only morbidly fascinated, but the vast majority of people are just worried for humanity as a whole. We are a global society now thanks to trade and the internet. I worry about every single Chinese death as if they were from my own country because we are all connected. People are fighting and doctors are being heroic and China, and rightfully being recognized outside of China.
Was at a BBQ at my in-laws house this weekend and learned that my wife's aunt went home to Singapore last month to visit family and is apparently stuck there since they canceled her flight out which was routed through China... 😟
don't know why the airline wouldn't just alter the flight to another location before return to the US.
don't know why the airline wouldn't just alter the flight to another location before return to the US.
You need logistic and right to actually lay over to the other airport.
I think trying to regime change China is insane.
Also, there is no magical "shifting production", you can put tariffs, you can put sanctions and you can make doing business with Chinese companies illegal. All 3 are things that Josh Hawley (and Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and the usual AnTi CoMmUnIsT cRuSaDeRs) are pushing for, and I personally think all 3 are bad policy ideas.
Republicans are using this outbreak to push for a more hawkish stance with China, I think it's relevant.
Today could be the first day of over 100 deaths. 91 reported in Hubei and over 2500 diagnosed. Serious/critical over 5500
Hopefully it's not true but some are saying that there has been Coronavirus in NK which is, unsurprisingly, very poorly equipped to deal with it.
North Korea’s Secret Coronavirus Crisis is Crazy Scary
Kim Jong Un canceled a big parade with no real explanation just as the South Korean press reports coronavirus has hit North Korea hard and could explode there.
www.thedailybeast.com
They were also carrying out testing and disinfection measures at all roads which go into Pyongyang https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200208000900320Hopefully it's not true but some are saying that there has been Coronavirus in NK which is, unsurprisingly, very poorly equipped to deal with it.
North Korea’s Secret Coronavirus Crisis is Crazy Scary
Kim Jong Un canceled a big parade with no real explanation just as the South Korean press reports coronavirus has hit North Korea hard and could explode there.www.thedailybeast.com
Yeah, I'm leaning towards incompetency and/or the lack of proper equipment to detect the virus.
The climate reasoning makes no sense since Singapore and Malaysia are also tropical countries like Indonesia.
With the vast majority of the NK population being in bad health due to being malnourished, and having a sparse medical infrastructure, this might turn out to be an absolute slaughter.Hopefully it's not true but some are saying that there has been Coronavirus in NK which is, unsurprisingly, very poorly equipped to deal with it.
North Korea’s Secret Coronavirus Crisis is Crazy Scary
Kim Jong Un canceled a big parade with no real explanation just as the South Korean press reports coronavirus has hit North Korea hard and could explode there.www.thedailybeast.com
I've never had a ton of faith in the source although apparently it's fairly credible and it is citing a South Korean source. I hope that it's wrong in this case. I can't imagine that NK is even close to being equipped to handle this although sadly their lack of caring for their people will probably help them contain it in fairly brutal ways.
Yeah. This will sound bad. But the only remedy they have are bullets. But what happens when the army becomes infected? And they will.
Low temperatures likely slows down our immune system. Cold slows down the movement of particles, which goes all the way to our immune system being slower as well as organisms being less active if they cannot protect themselves from low temperatures.
On one hand, it could have been an evolutionary advantage for our immune system to slow down at a time when it is less likely to be needed, which would allow the body to use its energy for other purposes. On the other hand, our modern lifestyle allows us to go from cold temperatures to hot over a short period of time, probably at a faster rate than it takes for our immune system to go back to full speed, especially in the winter where we might be exposed to cold weather for long periods of time due to poorly protecting ourselves from the cold.
nationalpost.com
On one hand, it could have been an evolutionary advantage for our immune system to slow down at a time when it is less likely to be needed, which would allow the body to use its energy for other purposes. On the other hand, our modern lifestyle allows us to go from cold temperatures to hot over a short period of time, probably at a faster rate than it takes for our immune system to go back to full speed, especially in the winter where we might be exposed to cold weather for long periods of time due to poorly protecting ourselves from the cold.
Why do we catch more colds when the temperature drops? Blame our immune systems
Yale University has found when the core body temperature inside the nose falls by 5C, the immune system does not work as well to fight the cold virus
nationalpost.com
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No. But NK has no hospitals or medicine, except for the party elite. They're not equipped to treat a person with the flu much less this.
North Korea has a better insurance system than the United States. Imagine that!
Unless there is sudden increase of death in short amount of time. It probably fallen under radar really. Consider how big (both in population and area) Indonesia is. It's more likely the case.
Hopefully it's not true but some are saying that there has been Coronavirus in NK which is, unsurprisingly, very poorly equipped to deal with it.
North Korea’s Secret Coronavirus Crisis is Crazy Scary
Kim Jong Un canceled a big parade with no real explanation just as the South Korean press reports coronavirus has hit North Korea hard and could explode there.www.thedailybeast.com
How could it have got into North Korea? Government officials traveling? Food?
I'm not.
I Had A Scary Encounter With North Korea’s Crumbling Healthcare System
A system "in dire need of help."
www.businessinsider.com
North Korea's Dire Lack of Food and Health Care
Amnesty International released a disturbing new report today detailing the crumbling state of health care in North Korea. The report paints a bleak picture of barely-functioning hospitals void of medicines and epidemics brought on by malnutrition.
www.amnestyusa.org
NK providesFor who? The .00001% party elite?
Edit: The insurance is for everyone. Unfortunately the insurance for the vast majority of NK citizens gets them very little.
A fair amount of trading takes place at the border. Under the radar ofc
And yet their life expectancy is 7 years less than the US and 11 less than SK.
Another health tip other than keeping yourself w use tissue papers NOT to blow your nose (your risk spreading germs/virus on yourself or others) but to remove moisture from your nose when it's moist. Your just swab your nostrils with it.
In cold weather, the warm air you exhale condenses in your nostrils when it is cooled by the cold air. If the virus makes its way there, it will thrive and eventually as you inhale and swallow it will infect you.
The reason viruses like the flu make us sneeze is they build themselves an environment that allows them to thrive and then cause the host to sneeze them out to spread to others. It's like aliens building a spaceport in your nose/throat to colonize the universe.
In cold weather, the warm air you exhale condenses in your nostrils when it is cooled by the cold air. If the virus makes its way there, it will thrive and eventually as you inhale and swallow it will infect you.
The reason viruses like the flu make us sneeze is they build themselves an environment that allows them to thrive and then cause the host to sneeze them out to spread to others. It's like aliens building a spaceport in your nose/throat to colonize the universe.
You know that report was based on defector interviews and countered by WHO's statement, right?I'm not.
I Had A Scary Encounter With North Korea’s Crumbling Healthcare System
A system "in dire need of help."
North Korea's Dire Lack of Food and Health Care
Amnesty International released a disturbing new report today detailing the crumbling state of health care in North Korea. The report paints a bleak picture of barely-functioning hospitals void of medicines and epidemics brought on by malnutrition.
And that clickbait title, the journalist was taken good care of, how was that scary? His firsthand experience as an investigator failed to provide any valuable information on the topic, he had to turn to third-party sources, including much googling, to finish his piece. I won't take his writing seriously (what to take seriously anyway).
North Korea's for sure in short of medical supply, but you made it sound like hospitals and medicines are inaccessible to common people, which is total nonsense.
It's not. Did you even read the article from Amnesty International?
Of course I did, it's mainly about food shortage... did you even read yourself?
I'm talking about that report on healthcare which is no longer available on their website for unknown reason.
The second article you found talked about it.
In the anime called Calls At Work, sneezing is portrayed as a rocket being launched like a space port lol.
Basically pick your nose but politely then. Hmmmmmm
Here in Singapore there are now temperature checking queues to get into the major office buildings. Doesn't stop those not having a fever yet but I guess every little bit helps?
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