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Coronavirus Discussion Thread (See Staff Post) [UPDATE: WHO declares global emergency. See threadmarks]
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I don't understand how this can go on. Treatment or cure must be found soon. Can't believe we still can't eradicate the flu in 2020 :(
We'll see if China actually goes back to work on Monday
Nobody wants to let them dock or take responsibility.
So, my brother works in UK manufacturing, but the company he works for uses parts from China.
They were sent extra inventory for the Chinese new year and have stuff in stock but they don't really have a plan for the possibility that China might not get it's production back up. It's a bit worrying.
They were sent extra inventory for the Chinese new year and have stuff in stock but they don't really have a plan for the possibility that China might not get it's production back up. It's a bit worrying.
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Wtf. So what, that cruise is expected to just keep sailing around till the coronavirus is over?
Prolly a US navy base if they want to quarantine. If they don't want to quarantine idk who is going to take that kind of risk.
Lawyers are prolly seeing who will take that kind of risk
There's apparently a quarantine facility at Pearl Harbor...
Multiple companies/countries are racing to make a vaccine, but could take 3-15 months
Apparently they are all working and sharing information together to facilitate
Creating a vaccine of a novel virus in under a year is unheard of, to my knowledge. The only reason flu vaccines hit annually is through constant tracking of dominant strains and our knowledge of the virus itself, and even then the reason flu shots are between 30-70% effective is because we can only prepare them based on the previous year's knowledge.
Did we know that an American died in Wuhan?
If Im reading wikipedia right there hasnt been a successful run of any corona virus vaccines. its mostly countered by treating symptoms
There is some research going now with a modified hiv anti retroviral that has shown some promise.
You can Google the research article
Yes, but they had vaccines for other flus to work with and adapt. There aren't any vaccines for any other coronavirus so researchers have to start from scratch.
Still, there's been some interesting developments. Rapid genetic sequencing is at a level that's light years from where it was in 2009. I've read that some teams are using new methods where they attempt to create antigens by synthesising them based on the genetic sequence, without having to wait for virus isolates that aren't widely available yet. That could speed up the early stages of development but you still need extensive periods of time for testing and setting up a supply line.
Assuming the new methods work, that is, The researchers that use it need to figure out which antigen to synthesise on their own, which isn't easy. If they pick the wrong antigen, the vaccine would be useless and they'd need to start over.
How would the clinical trials for something like this even be conducted? Give half of suspected cases the trial drug and the other half a placebo?
Thank you for following up that question more concisely than I was going to.
It's some heavy reading, but generally -
it's not shockingly different, but we did go to Orange Alert last night, hence the video duckroll linked of the run on groceries (Specifically: instant noodles, tissues, toilet paper, and rice). There is no quarantine of the country so they will continually restock, but well, the alert is enough to trigger everyone's survival response. Restaurants are still open.
- The govt did hand out masks to most of the population but only recommends it for those feeling ill. I'd still say about 1/4th of people I see wear one, but ymmv. I know for expats some condos also handed some out.
- Handshakes are discouraged
- Cancellation of most large public gatherings is ongoing (concerts, trade shows, school events)
- People who are sick for any reason are encouraged to stay home.
- N95 masks are generally sold out everywhere.
Was the H1N1 more lethal than this coronavirus? I remember the world was in panic at the time but I don't remember how bad it got.
The cruise industry is going to be so wrecked from 2020 onwards. For a long time.
It's entirely our fault and it's not a normal flu. It's new - we don't have immunity to it
I think it had a higher mortality rate, but was way less virulent so spread a fraction as much/frequently
? It's a new supervirus that developed because animals were being kept in terrible conditions, passing the virus back and forth until it became more deadly
It's entirely our fault and it's not a normal flu. It's new - we don't have immunity to it
The 2009 pandemic? Yes. the 1918 pandemic? Well, that one killed more people than WW1 did.
I dont know how accurate Wiki is or maybe it got edited but according to its entry 579,000 could have been killed rather than the 18,000 figure that gets thrown around.
H1N1 Wiki entry
Local transmission in France.
Just to get an idea of how far behind we are when it comes to detecting potential outbreaks worldwide.
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The most eyebrow raising thing is that the city where it happened has "Contaminate" in its name (Contamines-Montjoie )
It's worrying because it's the season of wintersports in France, colleagues left yesterday for that area (Haute Savoie), a lot of human contact happening, cafes are full for hot wine and other local specialties.
That sure instills confidence that the CCP is being honest, open, and transparent - which no one should have thought to begin with. I hope one day the people of China recognize that their leadership is wretched.
As have been said before, this is not the flu.
As for the flu itself, or other diseases in general, our biggest enemy is ignorance. Some people can't even take a moment to wash their hands, and get their vaccines.
My girlfriend's uncle died from it. It could have been a dangerous pandemic, but turned out to be mild. Governments were blamed for it but I think they did the right thing by investing money in prevention.
No, It was technically more lethal than the seasonal flu but it's still far less than the Coronavirus
At this point it seems like containment is impossible. This is a 4th degree transmission. People all over the world might have it right now and not realize it yet, and by all account they could be spreading it as we speak, without getting detected. In a week or two, this might hit hard.
Here's the answer to the posters asking what basis anybody possibly had doubt the numbers being released by the Chinese.
If I were in the Japanese government I'd be looking into who that user is and issuing a lifetime ban from entering the country. Posting irresponsible shit like that should come with repercussions.
Chen Qiushi the Beijing lawyer turned reporter who took to youtube to speak out against China's handling of nCov apparently got "disappeared" by Chinese police, turns out he has nCov and is forcibly quarantined
I don't think anybody believes the Chinese data and the international sample sizes are too small
He later clarified that he's been based in Shenzhen for a long time, just that his hometown was in Hubei, and he has not been in Wuhan for the past 2 months since his family is all in Shenzhen.
我来澄清一下这件事
首先我是常年深圳生活，深圳户口的武汉人，护照是广东签发，出生地是湖北。我已经快2个月没有去过武汉了，因为我一家人都定居在深圳。
并且我身体健康不感冒不发烧不咳嗽，入境是完全合法合理未隐瞒任何信息。
所以如果大家不相信我所说的信息，希望联系日本警视厅移民局举报我都 ..
I wonder if he will also die twice like that whistle-blower doctor.Chen Qiushi the Beijing lawyer turned reporter who took to youtube to speak out against China's handling of nCov apparently got "disappeared" by Chinese police, turns out he has nCov and is forcibly quarantined
He's not posting a STRATEGY, just describing his experiencing entering Japan.
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