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Coronavirus Discussion Thread (See Staff Post) [UPDATE: WHO declares global emergency. See threadmarks]
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Yeah you can just sit it out like the flu, official numbers put it at over 1100 people who have recovered.
Apparently nCov is taking a terrible toll on the healthcare workers over there who were probably understaffed for this disaster as it is
Wish there was something I could do for them
Wish there was something I could do for them
I have a sore throat following a recent trip to Mexico. No other symptoms really. Any number of causes -- viral, bacterial, nasal drip, dry air (going from tropical back to wintry Canada, hah), etc. Popped into a pharmacy for a medicated lozenge or something. Pharmacist goes, "you should really check this out with a doctor. It could be Coronavirus."
That...seems a bit like a reckless thing to say as a medical/pharma. professional, no? That's like making the leap from headache to brain cancer.
That...seems a bit like a reckless thing to say as a medical/pharma. professional, no? That's like making the leap from headache to brain cancer.
Officially:
1,382 recovered
565 dead
This is a lot scarier with children.
I'm not usually the type to panic, but Coronavirus has got me feeling on edge.
I'm not usually the type to panic, but Coronavirus has got me feeling on edge.
Total now - there are currently *30,811 confirmed cases worldwide, including *635 fatalities.
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...
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It won't reach you and if it did you'll be fine. The very, very worst case is you'd have slightly damaged lungs from the pneumonia.
Official numbers so certainly somewhat lower than reality but the dashboard below has always been good to keep track of:
I get this thread is emotional to a lot of people, but this shit is not necessary
Total now - there are currently 30,811 confirmed cases worldwide, including 635 fatalities.
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...
At the very least, that's slightly fewer new cases than yesterday, right?
Those hundreds were very, very likely people over 65 and/or otherwise unwell.
The mortality rate is lower than normal seasonal flu, currently.
Sorry, I found his post extremely irresponsible. People who have/think they have this virus need to be seen by medical professionals. They shouldn't just "wait it out." That's a great way to get vulnerable people critically ill or dead.
What? No. It's totally not the case. Mortality rate of coronavirus is much, much higher - around 2% currently.
There are much more people having flu but mortality rate is less than 0,1%
Yea, it was around 2900 yesterday.
635 fatalities.
1153 recovered.
The number of people in serious and critical condition in Hubei province has risen sharply, from 3,084 yesterday to 4,002 today.
The increasing number of critical and serious cases is concerning.
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...
bnonews.com
This isn't true. The mortality rate is 50 times the normal seasonal flu
Official numbers so certainly somewhat lower than reality but the dashboard below has always been good to keep track of:
Yes, I know, but my reaction was to the "tELL thAt to tHE hUNdReDs..."
What? I thought flu was the same or slightly higher, like 3%?
Actually I might be confusing it with something else. Maybe SARS
Still, it's hardly something to worry about if you're an average member of the population
Right, I imagine I'm thinking of the wrong thing then
Pretty much every article and bit of news also says "a lot more people are likely infected with very mild symptoms and therefore go undiagnosed". That means that the CFR is likely much lower than the ~3% overall.
Ok, but how does that contradict anything I said in the post you directly quoted?
To compare with the flu (US only)
From the CDC US:
www.cdc.gov
For all ages:
Symptomatic Illness - 35,520,883
Medical Visits - 16,520,350
Hospitalizations - 490,561
Deaths - 34,157
The issue is that nCoV-2019 is still unknown. No one knows if it will become more deadly or weaken by mutation. It also has a much longer delay in symptoms; people can get pneumonia 1-2 weeks in after feeling better. Its also a lot more contagious then the flu at this point in time.
From the CDC US:
Estimated Flu-Related Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 Flu Season | CDC
CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.
www.cdc.gov
For all ages:
Symptomatic Illness - 35,520,883
Medical Visits - 16,520,350
Hospitalizations - 490,561
Deaths - 34,157
The issue is that nCoV-2019 is still unknown. No one knows if it will become more deadly or weaken by mutation. It also has a much longer delay in symptoms; people can get pneumonia 1-2 weeks in after feeling better. Its also a lot more contagious then the flu at this point in time.
Don't quote me on this but don't these type of viruses not harm children as much because of their underdeveloped immune system? I thought it was the case for SARS.
edit: indeed, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/health/coronavirus-children.html
I mean of course being an orphan is not that great.
To compare with the flu (US only)
From the CDC US:
Estimated Flu-Related Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 Flu Season | CDC
CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.
For all ages:
Symptomatic Illness - 35,520,883
Medical Visits - 16,520,350
Hospitalizations - 490,561
Deaths - 34,157
The issue is that nCoV-2019 is still unknown. No one knows if it will become more deadly or weaken by mutation. It also has a much longer delay in symptoms; people can get pneumonia 1-2 weeks in after feeling better. Its also a lot more contagious then the flu at this point in time.
Even though probably not all flu deaths are after hospitalization, this would put the CFR of flu at nearly 7% of hospitalized cases.
Its been 9 years so maybe its shifted a lot but don't like most elderly in China reside in a household including adults? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40711-015-0011-0#Sec13
By contrast, this Pew article and graph show a differing picture in the U.S:
Saying "It only affects people with preexisting health issues and the elderly" aside from the fact it targets the most vulnerable and less capable to fight it off economically and health-wise, I fear like is also ignoring the fact most elderly still reside in households with younger more able people, i.e yeah, mild fiu for healthy adults except when it transfers around the house.
By contrast, this Pew article and graph show a differing picture in the U.S:
Saying "It only affects people with preexisting health issues and the elderly" aside from the fact it targets the most vulnerable and less capable to fight it off economically and health-wise, I fear like is also ignoring the fact most elderly still reside in households with younger more able people, i.e yeah, mild fiu for healthy adults except when it transfers around the house.
Yea, flu generally has a CFR of like 0.01%, but for people who get hospitalized for it, it can be between 7-10% depending on country.
It's why the flu shot is very important.
Yup. Great idea to "just sit it out" when you're at risk of getting grandma and other family members infected and killed.Its been 9 years so maybe its shifted a lot but don't like most elderly in China reside in a household including adults? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40711-015-0011-0#Sec13
By contrast, this Pew article and graph show a differing picture in the U.S:
Saying "It only affects people with preexisting health issues and the elderly" aside from the fact it targets the most vulnerable and less capable to fight it off economically and health-wise, I fear like is also ignoring the fact most elderly still reside in households with younger more able people, i.e yeah, mild fiu for healthy adults except when it transfers around the house.
If anyone has an inkling that they might have it, they need to go to a medical provider asap and get tested and self-quarantine. No fucking around. A delayed response is why this turned into an epidemic in China.
Total now - there are currently *30,811 confirmed cases worldwide, including *635 fatalities.
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...
It's nice to see the number for those recovering rising.
Nobody is saying that, simply that the only people at a realistic risk of death or health catastrophe are the old and infirmIts been 9 years so maybe its shifted a lot but don't like most elderly in China reside in a household including adults? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40711-015-0011-0#Sec13
By contrast, this Pew article and graph show a differing picture in the U.S:
Saying "It only affects people with preexisting health issues and the elderly" aside from the fact it targets the most vulnerable and less capable to fight it off economically and health-wise, I fear like is also ignoring the fact most elderly still reside in households with younger more able people, i.e yeah, mild fiu for healthy adults except when it transfers around the house.
Saying that doesn't handwave a single thing you said
Yeah. Seems rather dismissive of the thousands who die of the flu every year frankly
Isn't the middle-aged, healthy doctor who initially identified it now one of the confirmed fatalities?
Only case we're aware of like that, yes.
As I said on the last page, some of these doctors have died from exhaustion. Not even infected. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy had practically worked himself to death before he started getting really sick.
Yes, but we don't know what's been going on with him in the meantime, if he kept working 80+ hours weeks or been jailed, that doesn't exactly help your body fight off the infection regardless of age.
no? he was at the epicenter of the outbreak, likely worked til exhaustion with all the patients. Not everything is a conspiracy
I am talking about how any information on the virus' spread in Xinjiang is being met with claims thats it's a state secret to divulge that information, therefore they aren't releasing any numbers of info on it from that province.
Do you have a source? I haven't seen that reported here, and it's a fairly major news topic right now.
No I meant a source for the claim that doctors were dying of exhaustion.
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