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Control's Ashtray Maze sequence is arguably the BEST moment/sequence/set-piece of this Generation
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It was excellent, but you may be spoiling by linking a video to the whole thing instead of just the song.
It's kind of a big hero moment in the story.
also feelin bad for all the people in this thread trying to downplay the game
It's kind of a big hero moment in the story.
also feelin bad for all the people in this thread trying to downplay the game
I think any thread title that has someone saying "is something the best?" there will be someone else saing "it's not even good". Saying simply no is not good enough.
Holy shit I totally missed out on this game. Looks to be in the same universe as Alan Wake given The Old Gods of Asgard are in it!
Trippy as fuck. Thread just sold me on it.
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Someone did not read my full post ;)
I did say Titanfall 2 was the only game which gave me these kind of moments but haven't played Dishonored 2, will pick it up.
I thought it was okay at first but not as amazing as everyone hyped it up to me... But as I've had time to reflect on it, I dig it more and more.
So yeah, it's a pretty cool moment!
When I first played it, I missed the part at the beginning when Jesse mentions it's a song from the Old Gods of Asgard, the band from Alan Wake. I just assumed that it was a fun new song from Poets of the Fall, which is expected to in a Remedy Game. But then when the song pops up at the end of the sequence as a collectible and lists it as a song from the Old Gods, I was like, "OMG WTF."
Then I later started looking into the lyrics of the song and realized it was telling the events of Control, meaning the Lake that the Old Gods drank their moonshine from was giving them visions of what would happen with Control, giving yet ANOTHER direct connection with Alan Wake. This made the Ash Tray maze even cooler, and I wish the sequence had subtitles for the lyrics so I could have made that discovery during the actual in-game event instead of after.
Then I later started looking into the lyrics of the song and realized it was telling the events of Control, meaning the Lake that the Old Gods drank their moonshine from was giving them visions of what would happen with Control, giving yet ANOTHER direct connection with Alan Wake. This made the Ash Tray maze even cooler, and I wish the sequence had subtitles for the lyrics so I could have made that discovery during the actual in-game event instead of after.
So yeah, it's a pretty cool moment!
Imagine calling an otherwise fun song you dont like "cringe" to impress internet strangers.
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You say it was a let down but good?
Curious, what didn't you like about it?
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I put 'arguably' to soften the responses but I stand by it, not many moments like this one come along atleast in my book.
I doubt that would even be in my top five if I gave it a think. Opinions.
I'm with you op. I definitely think this is a point that can be argued. It's such a special and well crafted moment. And it has heart to it. It feels Remedy put everything they got into that sequence.
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This one sequence defines Remedy, the studio. That world building, level design, art direction, personality & music, again looking at the responses, definitely mixed for a few people but that also sums up Remedy.
Joke post?
Control is the peak of Remedy's after Max Payne 2, i can't wait for the both expansions.
Remedy owns. It seems they really click with their specific, tiny niche. I love everything they make. This is GOTY for me, so you're not alone, friend.
It's a close call with the Clockwork Mansion from Dishonored 2, but I prefer the Ashtray Maze.
Special mention to Titanfall 2 but I wasn't as wowed by that as many were personally, despite it being very well done.
Control is peak Remedy. It has some flaws in combat but I every other component is so beautifully realized and well designed.
That 4/10 review that said it had no atmosphere is super fucking laughable.
Special mention to Titanfall 2 but I wasn't as wowed by that as many were personally, despite it being very well done.
Control is peak Remedy. It has some flaws in combat but I every other component is so beautifully realized and well designed.
That 4/10 review that said it had no atmosphere is super fucking laughable.
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Try this: Go to select mission and choose the mission Polaris. Then you can teleport back to ashtray maze and do this part as much as you want.
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This seems likely. Dishonored 2 showed similar visuals, but in a fully interactive immersive sim environment. The transformations were meticulously presented as being the result of mechanical contraptions, which felt more awe inspiring than the magical effects in Control. The only win for Control here, according to the rules set by the original poster, is that its level constituted a "set piece", which the corresponding level in Dishonored 2 arguably did not.
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Even if I agree with the cringe music, standard level design? What about this sequence was standard, you can criticize Remedy for a lot of things but 'Standard Level Design' is definitely not top of the list.
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UC4 Chase had a sense of Chaos which I liked a lot but this sequence has that 'intrigue' & a tone to it that is hard to describe with that heavy music in the background.
I thought the select mission overwrote the save? If not then what have I been doing these past few weeks 🤦
Dunno if it's the best of the generation but definitely hard to top for 2019.
It's also super cathartic because it's the first time in the game you're really given the chance to use your full suite of maxed abilities in an extended battle scenario. It's that "oh, I'm way powerful now" moment.
It's also super cathartic because it's the first time in the game you're really given the chance to use your full suite of maxed abilities in an extended battle scenario. It's that "oh, I'm way powerful now" moment.
Wow, what coincidental timing! I just finished this section of the game about half an hour ago, maybe less. Jesse is right, that was freaking awesome. Easily my favorite part of the game so far and "Old Gods of Asgard - Take Control" really helped. I was so pumped the entire time! The combat scenarios were pretty fun too and it helped that I've started to use Levitate a lot more.
I also love the surreal imagery Control has had throughout the entire game and this was also easily the best of that for me. I was more than happy with the beginning of the maze where the walls were shifting a bit to guide me to where I go. That part was already cool and to my liking, but then it started going crazy and having these infinitely tall hallways and sideway rooms. So damn awesome. It reminded me of Twin Peaks and The God Complex, one of my favorite episodes from Doctor Who, as well as Inception. A bunch of things I really like.
I also love the surreal imagery Control has had throughout the entire game and this was also easily the best of that for me. I was more than happy with the beginning of the maze where the walls were shifting a bit to guide me to where I go. That part was already cool and to my liking, but then it started going crazy and having these infinitely tall hallways and sideway rooms. So damn awesome. It reminded me of Twin Peaks and The God Complex, one of my favorite episodes from Doctor Who, as well as Inception. A bunch of things I really like.
You remove the wall transitions and the inception hotel stuff, and it's regular TPS level design.
It was up there but I mean, what are the other candidates?
There are definitely some great moments in games like Nier Automata.
Whisper of the Worm dungeon in Destiny 2 is also up there.
There are definitely some great moments in games like Nier Automata.
Whisper of the Worm dungeon in Destiny 2 is also up there.
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Those are 2 big things you are overlooking, they are a big part of the level design.
The Finnish Tango build up to the Ashtray Maze should not be forgotten. That atmospheric lift ride to Nowhere followed by the trippy overlaid imagery of the Twin Peaks style treeline and forest juxtaposed against the wacky Ashtray Maze sequence, taken together, is like 100% pure Remedy extract.
Lol yeah I guess if you remove everything that makes it special it's suddenly not special anymore.
That's what I'm thinking. I need to finish Nier but outside of that? A singular moment where everything clicks and you're just in awe taking everything back? Yea this probably is my favorite gaming moment this generation.
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Yeah I expected it to be a maze or something unless I missed alot( I will boot of up the game right now). Wasn't just you going from room to room as it canges? It looked cool, but so much of that game already looked cool and with rtx there were other areas in the game that had wayy better atmosphere.
"Guys just remove the things that make it special and it's not that special."
Such wisdom. I bet if you remove the psychic powers and flight and make Control much more standard as an experience then it would play like a regular TPS too. 😱
