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Control will only support free next-gen upgrades with purchase of upcoming $40 Ultimate Edition
- Thread starter Nightengale
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I honestly was expecting something like that or the chat being in emote only mode.
I am in a similar boat, think the anger towards this is wild.
People really want to be able to play this gens version of any game on next gen, then are angered they are also not getting the next gen version of the same game for free even though it was never advertised they would be getting future versions of the game for free. The version they have now doesn't just magically stop or erase the content/experience. You can also still (I would assume) play that version on new consoles and would probaly run a little better.
Its a new sku, that sku has its own "perks and promises". With this sku I can't expect them to give me PS6 version for free if they ever release it on there
Well.... that was something.
PC players are fine, console players are the ones that got fucked.
This is one of the shittiest moves I've seen in a while from a dev.
I also feel that, ultimately, it's just a bad move. The negative attention they're gonna get from this is much worse than the small financial hit they take from allowing base game owners (or even just season pass owners) to upgrade for free.
I also feel that, ultimately, it's just a bad move. The negative attention they're gonna get from this is much worse than the small financial hit they take from allowing base game owners (or even just season pass owners) to upgrade for free.
There was absolutely no way they were going to address this in a previously announced and scheduled live stream dedicated to a DLC pack when the decision for the next gen upgrade pathway was almost certainly outlined by 505 and not Remedy. It doesn't make it right, but you're mad if you think Remedy was going to throw their publisher under the bus or publicly address the awkwardness of a situation that is probably hot conversation behind closed doors.
As many others have said, one of the big issues here was Control's second DLC and season pass being heavily advertised last week as part of State of Play and looks to include some stuff with Alan Wake, a favourite with fans of Remedy. Some people bit at that point to buy the game or season pass, especially as it's on sale on PSN right now (£32.49, £65 usual price, for what is going to be the same content as the Ultimate Edition will contain). 5 days later, they announce this new version which has all the DLC, will launch in the release date if the second DLC and is actually cheaper than the the sale price on launch.
People can have their own opinions on whether you should get the upgrade if you bought all the content at launch (I'd argue anyone who owns the same content as in the Ultimate Edition should get it but to each their own) but the recent 1 week history of Control's marketing is indefensible in my opinion.
The content is identical aside from the Ultimate Edition allowing for an upgrade to the next gen version.
They promised the gae will be enhanced for next gen. Only one sku was released at that time. It was a blatant lie unless we can upgrade it (for very cheap I hope ... next gen sku will only be the pc one ...). Now we need to buy a new one
In US it's not, $79.99 for the deluxe edition. So someone can pay twice as much for a inferior product right now.
I loved everything they announced in this stream. The art book in particular is incredible. But I can't help but to be extra sad they ignored the Ultimate Edition elephant.
Didn't realise there wasn't a sale right now in the US, even worse if for anyone who bit after seeing the SoP last week.
I don't think anyone is "mad" for thinking there's a chance they'd address it in some shape or form. It wouldn't take much for Remedy to say "we've heard the feedback from our fans regarding the next-gen upgrade path for Control, and we'll have more to talk about on it in the near future" during their stream. Quick few seconds about it and move on until they can fully address it later. Easy way to somewhat appease the fans while not throwing 505 to the dogs. Doesn't matter if it was a previously announced stream, it was still live. They don't have to spend several minutes on it, but briefly addressing it? Not exactly a big ask.
Saying anything except that they've reversed the decision would just cause more blowback
At the least owners of the game and Season Pass content should probably be "upgraded" to the UE, considering there's supposedly no real difference. I'm willing to bet there are some changes under the hood for the UE, but expecting a free next-gen upgrade because you bought the on UE version of the game is kind of, dare I say, entitled? Nobody is under any obligation to provide one, even if they're releasing it within an arbitrary time window from the new consoles releasing. Being disappointed is fine, but saying it's shitty and then saying even half of the crap in this thread against the developers and publisher (though 505 has many sins apart from this that makes me not want to trust them...) is terrible and one of the reasons most devs and publishers hate the fanbase so frequently.
I laughed. Good job!
They may not have more to talk about it in the near future. That's the problem. They might be discussing it with 505 and 505 might be playing hard and nothing will change. The issue for Remedy is positioning themselves between the fans and the publisher, irrespective of how bullshit the latter is, and implying development to conversation that the former are not and may never be privy to.
Like, I get it. I really do. People want to have it addressed in some form, because it really is total bullshit. But this isn't how businesses operate in public spaces when there are contractual factors to consider and conversations taking place (or having taken place, and utterly nullified) that are considered private. Deep down I wish Remedy would just publicly decry the choice and throw 505 to the dogs, if the latter is indeed the culprit behind the decision (and it probably is). But I can also see why they're not doing that nor addressing the issue as it stands because they fundamentally may not have anything to say, anything to promise, or any positivity to contribute.
Token acknowledgement of an issue without resolution that can be promised amounts to nothing but further bad feedback if resolution can't come later. "We've heard the feedback from our fans regarding the next-gen upgrade path for Control, and we'll have more to talk about on it in the near future" followed by the near future being "Yeah you still have to buy the Ultimate Edition" is just going to make fans feel further mislead, expecting a change to happen. And while the next best follow-up would be "Yeah you still have to buy the Ultimate Edition, but it was 505's decision and not ours, so take your issues up with them please", they again may not feel inclined to do this due to nurturing a positive publisher/developer relationship and because of whatever privacy surrounds the decision making.
It's a rock and hard place for Remedy. They probably do want to talk about it, whatever it is, but folk need to understand why they can't, or why doing so is a bit of a minefield for business.
Thanks. That is fucking ridiculous. What the actual fuck?
If I knew this, I wouldn't have bought that version with all DLCs for PS4. I would have waited for the PS5 version, instead of that shit full of performance and visual issues that is the PS4 version.
It is a great game, and the performance visuals should be better on PS5 due to BC, but having a upgraded version locked behind a very fucking same version of the game I already bought is insane.
While I am annoyed that my Xbox One copy of Control doesn't appear to have an upgrade path for the Series X version, and I certainly feel for everyone who has supported this game already being left out in the cold.
I... uh... I have no idea where my Xbox One copy of Control came from. I didn't buy it. I've triple checked my transaction history. It's not in there. I have no idea why I can play it on my One X. Almost feel obliged to buy the ultimate edition in a way (I have the EGS version with both DLC already bought).
I... uh... I have no idea where my Xbox One copy of Control came from. I didn't buy it. I've triple checked my transaction history. It's not in there. I have no idea why I can play it on my One X. Almost feel obliged to buy the ultimate edition in a way (I have the EGS version with both DLC already bought).
I'm not at all surprised that they didn't mention this issue in the live stream today.
What I am surprised about is that they went on and on about the DLC and all the new features and enhancements they're making to the current version, but... didn't mention that the Ultimate Edition was also announced a day ago. It's like they decided to avoid the fact that the UE exists at all. Strange.
What I am surprised about is that they went on and on about the DLC and all the new features and enhancements they're making to the current version, but... didn't mention that the Ultimate Edition was also announced a day ago. It's like they decided to avoid the fact that the UE exists at all. Strange.
I was hoping for some kind of a response...either a backtrack or at least a path forward for existing owners. At this point, I think I'm just going to throw myself on the mercy of the store support staff and hope for the best. I doubt it'll get refunded, but it's the only option left.
Bought the game on PC when I had a gtx 1070, played it, was great. I bought a Rtx 2080 card, and then played with raytracing and dlss, and it was glorious. Didn't have to pay any upgrade fee, just hit some sliders in the menu.
Very sad that it doesn't work this way on consoles.
Just FYI I have xbox one x and PS4 pro, not hating on consoles, just sucks that this is one reason I get multiplatform games on PC, even if I prefer the console experience.
Very sad that it doesn't work this way on consoles.
Just FYI I have xbox one x and PS4 pro, not hating on consoles, just sucks that this is one reason I get multiplatform games on PC, even if I prefer the console experience.
Wasn't it sub only or whatever the fuck the twitch restriction shit is?
I would assume the UE wasn't mentioned at all in the stream because this whole catasrophe is 505's idea and while they couldn't respond to the backlash they also maybe wiggled through some kinda loophole allowing them to not actively promote it on the stream, so of course they didn't (?)
Someone from Remedy also tweeted "I love my job sometimes!" today and i assume it's probably completely irrelevant but I did wonder for a split second if the "sometimes" was referencing 505 screwing remedy on this
Someone from Remedy also tweeted "I love my job sometimes!" today and i assume it's probably completely irrelevant but I did wonder for a split second if the "sometimes" was referencing 505 screwing remedy on this
I can't imagine this doesn't get reversed. They'd never hear the end of it if they stay the course.
I believe you had to have been subscribed for longer than a month, just to prevent regular channel spam. Plenty of folks do that :)
tbf they actually haven't said if you read it. They only said there is a free upgrade path if you have the ultimate edition. So I guess technically there could be a paid upgrade path that they aren't talking about? Technically? Doesn't look that way tho.
Hopefully they offer a paid upgrade path. I'd pay a like $20 dollars to do that if it got me some DLC plus a 60fps option and more bells and whistles.
No, just mine. I do have people in my Microsoft 365 family though, but I don't think they game on Xbox One.
Disappointing, sure, but I wouldn't be too hard on them for this. Nintendo releases "deluxe" editions of old Wii U games on Switch and people just buy them without a word.
Not the same.
The ultimate edition is releasing on the same systems containing the exact same content as the deluxe edition that was released earlier.
People wouldn't be upset if there was an upgrade path for everyone but because two people may have the exact same content of the game except one has an SKU with a different name and therefore only that person can upgrade is what has people upset.
Nice try. Too bad you could actual google that and they didn't say that. Here's the actual quote:
"Frankly, we're a small studio. We're 50 people, and being a small studio, it makes a lot more sense for us to focus on one platform," said Häkkinen in an interview with VG247. "
"Saying that Alan Wake is best played of a sofa with 5.1 surround and a big TV screen, I think is more of a preference than anything else...We're not going out there to say that PC gamers can't enjoy it from their own PC set-up. We're certainly not saying that. We have a strong heritage in PC gaming as well."
And here's another link for you:
Remedy say Alan Wake PC cancellation wasn't their decision
Finnish developers Remedy have been talking at GDC about the challenges of creating an entirely new engine for Alan Wake. Before Alan Wake, Remedy had specialised in PC-only releases with Death Rally, Max Payne and Max Payne 2. The Max Payne games were eventually ported to consoles by Rockstar...
www.pcgamer.com
I'm sure they would be willing to throw them under the bus, not just right now as they are most likely trying to fix the situation and still have to deal with them for a while with Control. The other thing is that NDA's are quite strict and the penalty for that could be quite hefty sum for Remedy. Wait until the NDA runs out and someone will surely tell you how it all went down.
You presume Remedy had a bunch of similar offers on the table and went with a trash tier publisher known as 505 Games? Remedy wants to own their IP's, most publishers these days are definitely not willing to publishing anything if they lose control of the IP. Private Division ís one of the few publishers currently who constantly make deals where the developer keeps the IP.
I don't think it would be fair to expect Remedy to be worrying about next gen upgrades in a deal made in 2017. Had they done the deal last year, the contract would have had clauses for that. Even then I doubt something like that would not be a top priority for them when negotiating about the deal.
If you look at the list of games published by 505 Games, hardly anyone has released multiple games through them lately. That says something about them as a publisher.
If it's Control 2 they are making, they had to offer it to 505 Games initially and they turned it down. If it's something else that they are making, it's just business to get the best deal possible for the company and quite normal in the gaming industry. The timing of the announcement it's not something Remedy controls alone. Epic has a say in this matter as well. They wanted to come out and promote the deals they made with 3 different studios.
As to what leverage each side has over the other, very limited I would imagine and actions will be taken per the deal they made. The game is out, DLCs are almost out and the next gen versions are either ready or almost ready. Remedy won't and can't just stop working on the game. They would breach their contract and it would just hurt their reputation among their fan base and publishers. And I doubt dangling their next game in front of 505 Games would suddenly switch 505 Games view on things.
You know what is common with all of those deals. It's the publisher who usually decides on such things. We have it from Remedy themselves that it was not their decision to cancel the PC version of Alan Wake.
Indie developers are not usually in such a place where they can dictate much of the terms. Remedy has been able to keep their IPs, which is a huge thing and quite rare.
Do you honestly think that most developers want to make bad ports to games? Or want to cancel a version of the game that they already announced would be coming? Or that they will want to alienate their fan base by doing exclusive deals whether it is for store or content. When it comes to EGS, it's definitely something some companies will gladly take. It's guaranteed money for them that they can use to improve their game. Sometimes it's something that publisher will force upon them. Every future deal will have a clause about which storefronts the game will be released on PC. Back in 2017 there was Steam, GOG and Origin, and no one in their right mind would release the game only on Origin (except EA naturally). Would you go over a detail like that in 2017, when you had no clue at all that everyone and their grandmother would build their own stores to compete with Steam?
I certainly feel this is something we'll know the gist of it in a couple of years, if for some strange and stupid reason whoever made this decision doesn't reverse it.
