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Control PS5 and Xbox Series X|S details - 60fps or 30 fps with Raytracing - Digital release Feb 2, retail release March 2
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It's pretty mediocre, honestly looks like a early Xbox One game with just higher resolution (basically looks like Quantum Break). The framerate is solid, but stuck at 30. The loading times are bad on Series X and abysmal on One X. There's no HDR implementation; Auto HDR helps but doesn't save it. Dark scenes are too dark, bright scenes are too bright, with or without Auto HDR. Half the time the map textures don't load properly so I can't see where I'm going.
It's playable, and the game itself is great. But technically it's a mess and not at all what I've come to expect from games on Series X.
Sounds like I should pay money later for either the steam version or xsx version
Thats what toy get when you're trying to brute force from a base that was bad in the first place. Does the map at least not completely freeze for a second like it did at a launch every time you bring it up?
I actually did buy the Ultimate Edition on Black Friday. But then the base game got added to Game Pass and there was still no word on when the upgrade would come out. So I got a refund and powered through because I actually enjoy the game design and mechanics.
If it hadn't come out on Game Pass I would have waited. But honestly, giving them more money just seems to be rewarding an anti-consumer move.
In any case, it's on sale now for 20 bucks on Xbox if you want to go for it.
I played it on both One X and on Series X. Bringing up the map, the inventory or, god forbid, the pause screen always causes some frozen frames, but it seems a little bit better on the new console.
Bought the ultimate edition while it was on sale for 20, already looking forward to playing the game again. Shame, however, that it's only 30 FPS if you want raytracing :(
Control uses full resolution high quality RT reflections, spider man is quarter res (720p in the 60 fps Mode) with simplifications in its RT reflections. Control's reflections use no SSR elements (so they are more accurate, consistent and not error-prone) - while spider man does use ssr with its RT. Not all RT effects are the same across game in terms of quality.
Problem is the game works better as run and gun with movement abilities and physics powers which all look/feel much better at 60 too.
Yep. The ray tracing is amazing in Control but it's certainly not work sacrificing 60fps for.
What RT settings though? At high my 2070 Super barely manages locked 60 at 1080p with DLSS.
Maybe they are doing something différent on console ? Like adding ssr and changing the résolution of Ray tracing ?
I Hope they add true HDR top...
Two out of four. Reflection and another one I forgot the one I like the most
Well the RT performance of the PS5 is right around that 2060 mobile, and by using DLSS (and judging by your performance) you were using an internal rendering resolution of just 720p and weren't getting a locked 60fps either.
Those calling for a 60fps RT mode really need to get their expectations in check here. We have one example of a 60fps RT game and it runs at 1080p in stressful scenes using quarter resolution RT reflections with significant performance saving techniques employed. Control's RT features on PC go far beyond that and if Remedy want to bring that vision over to consoles then 60fps is off the table unless you're happy with dynamic resolution dropping into 720p territory.
Console optimisation is still a think. They could dial back rt resolution, among other things. Anyway. I love raytracing in still... but when I play it's not that important. I don't notice it much in Spider-Man even though with the new mode I use rt 60. 60fps all the way. I wanted to buy watch dog but for no I don't buy any 30fps next gen game
so control at higher resolution (it's a bit blurry even one X) and 60fps. I'll be glad
It kinda sucks that consoles can't experience raytracing with 60FPS.
Raytracing is a fucking revelatory experience. Playing control last year was the first time I've been taken aback by a game's visuals since the 360 era.
But man I don't think I'd sacrifice 60FPS for it.
Is it ever gonna be possible on the current gen hardware to do both?
Raytracing is a fucking revelatory experience. Playing control last year was the first time I've been taken aback by a game's visuals since the 360 era.
But man I don't think I'd sacrifice 60FPS for it.
Is it ever gonna be possible on the current gen hardware to do both?
did the PS4 pro and XOX sell well enough that a mid-gen refresh is likely?
It'll just depend on the game and the developer.
Spider-Man's 60fps RT mode is shockingly good but I'd imagine as devs start pushing the consoles a little harder it will be almost impossible to achieve both.
I'm pretty sure Spider-man Remastered, Miles Morales, Call of Duty, and Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition already do ray tracing at 60FPS. So, that's not 1, 2, but 4 games that already do.
control is one of the games that really interested me at the time of the release since i loved Quantum Break. But after the frames inconsistency on base consoles, never buyed it. And now even with an upgrade announced, i will not do it just because the way they threat all of their costumers. Will do a chance on it when have my next gen console but with the base version.
Ah I see they did patch a third mode for miles morales. That's good that it is possible then.
They had to make some caveats to attain 60 FPS on miles with RT. I wonder how noticeable they are compared to the 30FPS mode.
They're all just a single RT effect though. Either shadows or quarter resolution mirror reflections. That's not in anyway comparable to the RT support in Control on PC.
If Remedy want to drop the resolution to 1080p, remove all other RT effects and restrict RT reflections to quarter resolution mirror reflections then they probably can get it running at 60fps. At that point though, is the game still the RT showcase title that it is on PC? Do they want to remove all of the work they did to add such a comprehensive RT solution to their engine?
People are getting really greedy. Moaning because there's no 60 RT mode? It's a really demanding game and comparing it to Miles Morales is a bit unfair, we never expected that mode and is pure wizardry on Insomniac's part.
Can you guys stop with concern trolling and downplaying of incredibly impressive RT implementation in Spiderman?
How naive (and ignorant to be honest) I was to believe that previous generation games would run with zero compromises on the new consoles. 4k, RT and 60fps definitely won't happen together; even getting both will probably be rare going forward.
To be fair. You need high end hardware to run 60FPS raytracing at 4K on pc
Just drop the 4K and you can run 60fps RT just fine with 2018 hardware. My current 3440x1440 display doesn't require latest and greatest GPU to get 60+ and something like 2080TI fine enough.
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Oh yes of course; I'm not very savvy regarding tech, but I see that those games are just too demanding for the new console to run them with zero compromise.
It's just that diminishing returns I guess, at least visually. Let's see what the new CPUs will bring...
The RT in Spiderman and Call of Duty is nowhere near as elaborate and complex as the techniques shown in stuff in Control, Cyberpunk and even Metro Exodus. Just having some reflections or only ray traced shadows isn't going to be "revelatory" as that poster put it.
For consoles to get that sort of experience at 60fps we probably need an older game which has a lot of performance headroom to spare in the first place. The best candidate I can think of would be something like Alien Isolation which has an incredible art direction and extensive use of lights/shadows to create its visuals. It doesn't take much for that game to run at 4K60 on PC either and it would benefit immensely from something like ray traced GI.
The problem for consoles is that they don't support DLSS and a huge portion of the player base is running 4K displays so they're also less keen to render at 1080p or lower. Trying to run RT in Cyberpunk at native resolution is a disaster on PC unless you have 3070 at minimum.
Isn't the lack of DLSS going to be a huge limitation going forward?
The standalone edition is included in the ultimate edition - which is the only version that works on current gen.
As is the case with a bunch of other games, this is a product of one of the 3 major platforms having a different policy to the other 2.
However, $20 for the next gen version and all DLC is a good price that reflects the value of the content- even if you had bought the original game.
It's more of an annoyance if you bought all the DLC first
your 2080ti is literally the closest thing to being latest and greatest without speaking in literals lmao
I'm actually pondering turning off raytracing to get 144 FPS in Control as opposed to 70-90. I actually thought Control might be the showcase that finally made me understand the power of RT, but mostly I think it's just a "oh, neat" level upgrade to graphics. Should try minecraft or Quake 2 with it, those are said to be the best showcases.
Incredibly naive to be quite honest. Anyone with a passing interest in GPU hardware over the past 2 years knew that was never going to happen. Neither Sony or Microsoft were promising it either, infact Cerny was quite clear on downplaying the RT capabilities of the PS5. Those initial promises have already been surpassed.
Native 4K/60 with RT isn't even really a common thing on the latest PC GPUs either, where DLSS is required to get acceptable performance from hardware with far more capable (as in 3-4x faster) RT hardware.
All three consoles are massively over achieving at their given price point (the digital PS5 and Series S in particular) but expectations of multiple complex RT effects at a native 4K/60 were completely unrealistic.
To put this into context at 4K with all RT effects enabled, a 6800XT which is a literal doubling of the PS5 GPU with twice as many RT cores, performs below a RTX 2060 due to DLSS and can't even average 30fps let alone lock to it.
Ray Tracing in Control is incredibly demanding, it can't be directly compared to other examples of RT on consoles if Remedy are looking to port over the PC's RT effects.
I don't even notice a difference when i turn ray tracing on. Using Miles as my example so I'll be fine with it off in 60 frame mode here.
I literally just finished Control's main campaign with a 2060 in 1080p and all settings maxed out. Outside of combat I typically get around 60fps but can get higher depending on the area (the last area of the story got in the 90s which surprised me). From my occasional glances at the fps count during combat it seemed to usually be in the 50s and sometimes around 45.
Bit disappointing that they cannot reach a middle ground where 60 fps and ray tracing can be achieved. Don't want to do an apples to oranges comparison here but Miles Morales and others can do it.
My Series X has made me really appreciate higher frames more than anything now. I'm sure my PS5 dudes feel the same here. It's become so hard to go back now.
My Series X has made me really appreciate higher frames more than anything now. I'm sure my PS5 dudes feel the same here. It's become so hard to go back now.
I hope we get a middle ground 60fps 1080p Ray Tracing mode like Spider-Man... Otherwise, RT on consoles is a non-starter for me...
Ray tracing is great but it's not like you can't make gorgeous visuals without it.
Tlou2, got, horizon zero dawn, gow, rdr2, demon souls all can attest to that.
If we can get those types of visuals plus 60fps, I'll be more than satisfied with the ps5 era.
Of course I have a kick ass pc w a 3080 so any multi platform games I'll be playing on that.
Technically control looks awesome w all rt effects at 4k, but I find the art style and environments itself to be bland.
Compare that to say doom eternal which doesn't have ray tracing, but the art style is gorgeous and each level is awe inspiring.
Tlou2, got, horizon zero dawn, gow, rdr2, demon souls all can attest to that.
If we can get those types of visuals plus 60fps, I'll be more than satisfied with the ps5 era.
Of course I have a kick ass pc w a 3080 so any multi platform games I'll be playing on that.
Technically control looks awesome w all rt effects at 4k, but I find the art style and environments itself to be bland.
Compare that to say doom eternal which doesn't have ray tracing, but the art style is gorgeous and each level is awe inspiring.
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For robust implementations of Ray Tracing, yes. The number of people in this thread who think an AMD console should have 60 fps ray tracing in Control because their Nvidia 20xx can do it really don't understand they are only getting 60 fps because of an excellent DLSS implementation.
Supposedly AMD has a DLSS competitor coming so maybe the situation will change down the road.
Oh for sure. I'm just pointing out how demanding running 4K native is
MS is working on something, and there's special hardware in their consoles to support it. But who knows when we'll see it.
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Why do they have to do this to me? I didn't buy it in the Black Friday Sale on PSN. That's fine, I could totally buy it on my XBSX....but they throw in the Dual Sense stuff to make this a harder decision.
Insomniac is kind of spoiling everyone by doing RT at 60fps. Even with cutbacks, it's still a massive leap over how the base game looks. Literally the best of both worlds. I hope this is something Remedy considers.