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Control PS5 and Xbox Series X|S details - 60fps or 30 fps with Raytracing - Digital release Feb 2, retail release March 2
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It absolutely won't be. I bought the ultimate edition. There are two separate game pages in my library, the XBO version that's on gamepass and another one with different art, with the X|S logo. A placeholder application ready to update when it releases. They advertised Control for XBO and that's playable regardless of system. The next gen version is its own SKU as the 505 PR nightmare from last August showed. I don't know why anyone would assume you would get access to it through gamepass
As long as you purchase the Ultimate Edition, you'll get the full PS5 upgrade when it's available next year. You can do that now, wait until the update releases digitally in Feb, or wait until March for retail.
I really don't understand this. The benchmark with rtx 2060 is 60fps with rtx on. Why can't ps5 do the same? I know there's dlss, but the os5 isn't supposed to be a rtx 3070?
No - a PS5 is not close in performance to a 3070, especially in matters of tracing
This is a real bummer. 60FPS at what will assuredly be either reconstructed 4k or 1440p after all this time with no additional RT effects (albeit im sure faster loads, much better looking textures and environmental interactions) and then 30FPS, which I am just straight up not interested in using anymore.
Glad I got the PC version on discount and a more powerful rig. Love my consoles, but this is not the experience I am looking for.
Glad I got the PC version on discount and a more powerful rig. Love my consoles, but this is not the experience I am looking for.
NVidia has two big things up their sleeve compared to AMD at the moment: Ray Tracing Performance and DLSS. Control capitalizes on both. To play Control at a decent resolution at 60 fps and Ray Tracing then you need to have DLSS. Right now AMD has not revealed their DLSS competitor and their Ray Tracing performance lags behind nVidia.
I just completed the main story on Gamepass and im ready for the expansions. Will fork for the Ultimate edition for extra 10 bucks instead of buying the DLC separately.
The PS5 is closer to a 2070 than a 3070 and when we're talking about RT performance it's even further behind.
I doubt a 2060 can even do 60fps RT properly in Control, my 2070 Super only just does it at 1080p with DLSS on.
It probably makes sense for you to prepare for this to be the norm because I don't see 60 with RT being the thing for most AAA games going forward.
PC version still the obvious version to go if you've got the hardware, that goes for most games still and even more so if RT is involved.
You have to remember how dire the console versions of this game were. Even at 60 with a SSD and better IQ is an astronomically better experience than what it was on last gen.
Is it me or every gen starts with a goal for the next one? This reminds me of the disappointment when PS4 and One came out and didn't reach 1080p in many games.
The RT implementation in control is a lot more substantial then Spiderman, it's as simple as that.
That's because the RT used in Control is far more complex and elaborate than it is in Spiderman. RT isn't just reflections.
Because in spiderman RT basically amounts to a few reflections with strict distance requirements and other sliders turned down to achieve both. World size has nothing to do with it.
Control uses it for almost every aspect of its presentation. Go look up videos of its implementation on PC
I bought the Ultimate editions for both PS5 and Series X when they were on sale for $20. I really was hoping for a 60fps RT mode since it's not open world I feel like they would have figured that out. Either way excited to try the game because I love everything Remedy.
As someone who already owns the base game and season pass, I'll wait for this to hit €10 or lower before I commit to the ultimate edition. Looking forward to replaying it then.
This is way sooner than I expected. Playing through it right now on Series X and having a blast. Will finish over my break, and play it again when this comes out. Fascinating game.
Control PS4 Game Save Upgrading to Ultimate Edition on PS5 is a Big Hassle
Game publisher 505 Games recently shed light on how players could upgrade their Control PS4 game save to the Ultimate Edition on PS5, but it looks to be a big hassle on the players’ part. Say what?…
sirusgaming.com
Relevant part from the article:
If you played the Control Ultimate Edition on your PS4 the saves will go to the PS5 version.
I think there was definitely an issue with expectation management as well as clarification of technology, and no one seems to be able to do it well. 4K as well as RT are extremely computationally intense so just outputting at 4K, with RT effects at 60 FPS is a very hard ask.
But at the same time there are tech options like DLSS or other upscaling methods, so you scale 1440 to 4K, which is less intense computationally, and not noticeable if you do it well. That's something that should have been clarified.
Secondly, RT has to be used sparingly to achieve an upscaled 4K at 60 FPS, so developers would have to plan for that performance. They shouldn't just add a lot of RT effects, rather use where it adds the most value and is immediately noticeable like reflections and shadows but then pick and choose which assets and also the quality of the reflections and shadows.
It's all a balancing act.
Thanks for replying, I did see that article. I haven't even purchased ultimate edition and no longer have a PS4. I do have the control base game and save sitting on my PS5. What I can't determine is if I buy/play the PS4 iso on PS5 if the save will transfer. Not exactly trying to do a $40 experiment for a game Ive already beaten.
I mean, at 1080/30 I can't see why not. Doesn't RT scale proportionally with resolution? At 1080 I imagine they can tone down alot of the effects to hit the right level of performance. You are less likely to notice reflections etc being lower rez at 1080
Oh I see.
Damn, I got no clue.
I have no idea how 505 made this so messy.
See, now I think the whole Cyberpunk fiasco is a shame, but this is the real thing we should be screaming about. It's absolute extortion to lock a fucking upgrade to a more expensive version of the game.
I've got control in games pass and been wanting to play it since it came out. Knowing that I have to slog through it at base settings is really making me not want to play it.
I've got control in games pass and been wanting to play it since it came out. Knowing that I have to slog through it at base settings is really making me not want to play it.
That makes a lot of sense, I appreciate your explanation. However, I think there is also a marketing problem: we are disappointed that certain goals aren't achieved because someone set those goals, they haven't reached 4k 60 RT and are already talking about 8K. There is always a dragon to chase and mid gen consoles will be sold under the premise that they deliver what the initial ones tried but couldn't and I think that's problematic because it makes us focus on the wrong things.
For instance, if they weren't chasing that dragon, game development cost would not grow as fast, which would allow for shorter, cheaper games. That would address one of the main issues with many games: their awful pacing in order to last enough hours to "justify" their price.
Nice. I liked the game enough to buy at launch on PS4 Pro, Platinumed it, and then got a new gaming laptop where I grabbed it again and tried it out with ray-tracing and 60fps and enjoyed it all over again.
That's enough purchases and playthroughs. I'd play again if this was a free update but I'm pretty sure I'm done paying for this game myself.
That's enough purchases and playthroughs. I'd play again if this was a free update but I'm pretty sure I'm done paying for this game myself.
Thankfully I bought a new PC when I couldn't get my hands on a Series X or PS5. I can run Control with raytracing at about 100 FPS in 1440p, and without raytracing I get the maximum 144 FPS my monitor can output. If I'd waited for this version (and paid more for it, got Control Ultimate from EGS for 14€) I would be bummed.
I purchased this a while back, but I'm tempted to just wait until February to play it at 60 fps.
I see them as pretty identical but I'm not here to change your mind if you believe they're that different.
No free upgrade.
Really curious to see the resolution targets with RT enabled. I usually favor framerate but am fine with 30 for this style of game. Got ultimate edition for $20 and my Series X, all set for the patch!
This is so irritating. I'd love to play the enhanced version, since the XB1 version is quite messy, but I don't know if I'm willing to pay extra for it when the old one is already included in Game Pass. It looks quite bad at 30fps though, and it doesn't even have HDR so the brightness and contrast are all out of whack (even with Auto HDR).
Apparently I'm already 2/3 of the way through the game, so bunk it. I'd love to play at 60fps but definitely not worth 20 bucks for a game I won't replay.
They could just unlock the framerate of the original and I'd be happy.
Apparently I'm already 2/3 of the way through the game, so bunk it. I'd love to play at 60fps but definitely not worth 20 bucks for a game I won't replay.
They could just unlock the framerate of the original and I'd be happy.
Then that would piss off people who double dipped for the upgrade.
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