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Congresswoman Omar ignites new anti-Semitism controversy with comments on AIPAC
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I'm not refusing to acknowledge that it can be in good faith.
And FFS sake man, why can you speak for youself?
Because it's always "well this guy said that" to which I replied "well, I don't think that a good argument", but like, am I now arguing with Max Rose?
Why can't I argue with you?
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The only thing I saw Max Rose say is that she used "hateful tropes", which again, is not something I think is so self evident that I can just accept it as is.
If he went into more details then I missed it.
You really don't think the difference between calling a black person a thug and say that AIPAC lobby congress?
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But it sure is trying to be, and Nancy Pelosi, Kirblar and phanphare think it's a swell idea to help them!
I can't tell if you're agreeing with #1 or disagreeing with #2. :P
We need to fight antisemitism at all cost. No question about it.
But criticizing AIPAC influence is not antisemitism. AIPAC is way too influential ( as other lobbies by the way ) in the Congress and media and that's a problem to solve the Israel-palestinian crisis.
I remember I was always wondering why CNN was so one sided in the conflict. Then one day I saw a documentary where it was said Wolf Blitzer was a AIPAC member. How on Earth CNN is not going to be biased about the conflict then ?
But criticizing AIPAC influence is not antisemitism. AIPAC is way too influential ( as other lobbies by the way ) in the Congress and media and that's a problem to solve the Israel-palestinian crisis.
I remember I was always wondering why CNN was so one sided in the conflict. Then one day I saw a documentary where it was said Wolf Blitzer was a AIPAC member. How on Earth CNN is not going to be biased about the conflict then ?
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I think the people who play prosecution Olympics are those that pretend that white Jews are an oppressed minority in the US.
Oh look, another person who can vaguely point at the direction of other people and say they explained what's offensive about what she tweeted, yet somehow wouldn't explain it themselves.
Incredibly disappointing statement from AOC. This is something the guy she ran out of Congress would have put out.
This is tangential at best to the thread, but this '89 exchange between Wolf Blitzer and Norman Finkelstein is worth watching:
Agreeing with #1. :)
I have spoken for myself. I thought it was more likely to be an accidental fuckup than a intended error, but if that's the case, you need to clarify that, and she did with a great statement that should put this to bed. I'm at the point where it's not worth responding to you because you don't seem to be willing to accept what those perspectives are. You're given them, but they're dismissed. "Hateful tropes" = "Jewish people only care about money." = If you're not directly specifying AIPAC when saying "they only care about money", people will fill in the blank on "The" themselves. Don't let them. Be specific and dodge the quagmire.
I'm saying that if you have a need to use language like that where it would technically be appropriate contextually if you weren't intending it to be a racist dogwhistle, you have other synonyms available to you to use that won't get any backlash.
What's she gonna do now?
Make Omar un-apologize?
I think that's the correct tactical response here, hopefully she's as pissed as I am that Ilhan Omar was raked like that over this bullshit.
Because there are progressive Jews in the House who were offended. Its why you got to watch what you say. Just because you don't mean to offend someone doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
How are you not going to link to the most important Wolf Blitzer video of all time?
She is an incredible natural politician. You can't teach that.
she could've came to her defense at some point instead of putting out a weakass statement that basically says nothing and could've been written by any other democrat
An actual good take:
You seem to spend way more posts being angry at me that I don't understand you than trying to explain your position.
But you do it now, so let's engage (unless you're already deemed me unworthy of engagement), I think it's a crazy as leap to go from "it's all about the Benjamins" in respond to AIPAC to "Jewish people only care about money", you honestly know people ho think like that?
Did you think like that?
I personally know people that said that, like, half my friends in Israel do, but they all also have really important thought about Linda Sarsour if you know what I mean.
I asked you before, If you were talking to your friends about how Adelson controls the GOP and someone said "it's all Benajamins baby" would you think it's racist or inappropriate?
Yeah, opinions and all, but how the fuck is she supposed to talk about AIPAC if that's the bar?
She could have, though honestly, I think the correct move for both of them is to not get into a fight with leadership over this.
I hope they aren't scared into silence, and I certainly think the Democratic party can and should move on this issue, but right now, that's probably the wrong hill to die on.
And just so we're crystal clear - I'm only really talking about Omar and AOC here, I don't want anyone to read it like I think it was a good move by Pelosi to shit on her.
Why can't you just accept that some people find it offensive?
I mean, what any other reason could anyone possible have to say that the first muslim woman in congress is an antisemite.
Lol and all the Network will talk about how Trump is right and shit and how he's becoming President with this or some shit.
Haha, there's the chaser. That -$4,000 feels subtext being turned into text.
This is a terrible take. AOC and Bernie have pushed the Overton window again and again, weathered more than their share of rabid criticism (AOC, in particular), but because AOC emphasized the pain that was communicated to her instead of the bad faith actors, she doesn't have the stuff to push her agenda...?
Fuck this dude.
I don't think the leap is crazy. I wouldn't make it off that alone, but I don't think noticing the overlap and giving it the side-eye is crazy. And I really don't think being upset by the RT is crazy in the slightest, it was ugly, even if accidentally so.
AOC is talking about how she's speaking to Jewish people privately about this who were legitimately upset and is trying to help reconcile things. If you won't trust me on this, maybe you'll trust her?
You talk about AIPAC by explicitly specifying AIPAC. This may legitimately be a language thing where you're not catching the subtleties.
Yeah this one can get some receipts pulled if they try it.
Black woman uses language well established and defined in the black lexicon, and white people gotta go twist that shit like always....even knowing that she didn't actually commit the crime she's accused of. Meanwhile, these same fools are hollering about their new leaders need to redefine leadership, and be better and more effective than what we've got. You can't have it both ways.
Wow what?
I'm a Jew living in the US and there few things that makes me feel more personally uncomfortable than seeing white Jews doing this.
Luckily, I don't think most of the younger generation believe that.
They have receipts for almost everything, doesn't change how willing they are to let Trump and the GOP play morality cosplay
Press is incredibly timid on Trump it's infuriating
No one could have seen this coming!
Now all the Democrats who have been shitting their pants on this for longer then they were on Trump making a joke about the trail of tears can go back to the high ground SIR, SIR, THIS IS INNAPROPRIATE SIR nonsenze
But white supremacists marching and chanting "Jews will not replace us" are "fine people"
Pushing her out of congress or at least the foreign affairs committee was their goal since day 0.
I can tell that I'm not going to get to you on that "all about the Benjamins" thing, so final question, was that something that you yourself saw and was "shit, that's offensive" or that you saw other people being offended and you thought they have a good point?
And I still don't understand what the issue with the RT, the dude she RT-ed came at her with a really fucking gross accusation, and I really really don't think she owe him anything, and I certainly don't think we should judge her on that, especially as ffs, it's just RT, I mean, ya'll acting like she posted swastikas at him.
"Deep seated in her heart"
I fucking hope it is. She was absolutely right.
Guess guy thinks he is the self appointed leader of Jewish people in America. No "white" Jews in America have suffered harassment under his watch.
Weird it's almost like Omar's attackers are acting in bad faith or something
Why don't you engage with "that guy" and what he say?
Also, I love it how my opinion is "I think I speak for all the Jews" but your opinion is just good old acceptable opinion one can have.
I saw it and the RT at the same time via a image linked post w/ both together at once. My reaction was "you REALLY need to clarify what you meant here", because I could see the accidental inference with the first but the RT was horrible. You either have clumsy or hateful, and you need to be clear that it's clumsy.
Do you not use twitter? RTing people coming at you is done all the time in order to humiliate the person sending the message. In this case, that's a highly inappropriate response for a sitting public official, and its even worse when they're on your side of the political axis and are genuinely upset.
Even the ones AOC says have privately spoken to her that aren't?
Of course they are. This is all sickening to watch.
Edit: love this response
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damn she's already subtweeting Era
thankfully no one who had an honest issue with what Omar said wants her to resign and, in fact, wanting an apology shows an actual desire for her to keep doing what she's doing!
hell I came away from this liking her more because of how she maneuvered through this issue
all these "but the right!" posts are really silly tbh
Neither of us know what those conversations were like (or if they even happened) so not sure how to respond here?
Haha Trump asking someone to resign because of controversial language towards a group of people. Hahahaha. Fuck you Trump and the media can go fuck themselves too for not putting his feet to the fire the same way they are to a Muslim congresswoman. Fuck offfffff.
Do you believe AOC or not when she says that privately, Jewish people were reaching out upset about the accidental overtones, and that Muslim people were reaching out about false bad faith accusations of anti-semitism?
Or do you think she's making it up.
Just let her drop a decades old rap lyric into conversation of relevance that people can pretend that they don't understand, and deflect...deflect...deflect...
She's on the list. They'll be working her last nerve soon enough.
AOC speaking truth right here. Etcetera, will you listen when someone with credibility like her is calling you out?
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