He still has his base but he's lost support. You're right Dems do need to come out. Despite what you said about the economy. A good one which he inherited. He's still under water. He may get a bump from this, but it won't be sustained
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Congress Releases Barr's summary of the Mueller Report (SEE STAFF POST)
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He still has his base but he's lost support. You're right Dems do need to come out. Despite what you said about the economy. A good one which he inherited. He's still under water. He may get a bump from this, but it won't be sustained
Sigh, this obvious win will keep Trump looking to advance his crooked agenda and will piss off even more people. His (and his cronies) corruption will know no bounds now, truly sad day for the world. America: you have one job left to do and it's to dislodge the scum in 2020.
You know he's going to cheat again, he already got away with it once
"In the report, the Special Counsel noted that, in completing his investigation, he employed 19 lawyers who were assisted by a team of approximately 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants, and other professional staff. The Special Counsel issued more than 2,800 subpoenas, executed nearly 500 search warrants, obtained more than 230 orders for communication records, issued almost 50 orders authorizing use of pen registers, made 13 requests to foreign governments for evidence, and interviewed approximately 500 witnesses. "
Impressive how thorough the investigation was based on these numbers but also depressing how much money was spent on this and in the end proved to be a nothingburger in terms of Trump conspiring with Russia.
Impressive how thorough the investigation was based on these numbers but also depressing how much money was spent on this and in the end proved to be a nothingburger in terms of Trump conspiring with Russia.
Just remember, Capone didn't go to prison for murder, or any mob related activity, it was for financial crimes.
How many investigations are ongoing with SDNY for financial crimes?
Mueller did what he was set out to do. Trump kept just enough distance to build smoke, but not hold the match. He may be an idiot at most things, but when it comes to corruption, he's second to none.
Plus without Mueller's investigation, we wouldn't have the financial crimes being investigated.
How many investigations are ongoing with SDNY for financial crimes?
Mueller did what he was set out to do. Trump kept just enough distance to build smoke, but not hold the match. He may be an idiot at most things, but when it comes to corruption, he's second to none.
Plus without Mueller's investigation, we wouldn't have the financial crimes being investigated.
Yup. It's measured and all it calls for is the shit to be public
Being buddy buddy with and sending troops to serve in a pointless war that destroyed an entire generation of young men, not to mention the damage to Vietnam, are not the same things. We don't need to be scared of communism. It dictated US policy decisions for 40 years.
If you are a foreign country and you know you can get anything from Trump and get away with it why not help him in 2020 become president again?
Yeah. We don't have to be buddy buddy to prevent ourselves from going to war.
They shouldn't be buddy, buddy, but the war drums are over-the-top and the desire to go back to the 1950s of painting political enemies as secret Russians is disgusting.
The actual damage done by Russian interference is overshadowed by the foreign policy decisions and political steps taken to address the problem.
Defend to those Obama-> trump voters, not Republicans. The people he lied to.
They are. Israel, Russia, China, etc etc They all want Trump to win because he's so easily manipulated.
Nah, that doesn't have anything to do with Mueller being shut down early or not. It's more centered on the other ongoing investigations happening where many of these same actors are present.
So you couldn't prove outright collusion, but you found a whole lot of other shit in your pursuit. Is that part of these other "ongoing investigations"? And who's behind these investigations? And what exactly are these investigations?
Now that Mueller is no longer sucking up all the air in the room, we might be able to get more answers on this as other jurisdictions begin to move on their shit. It almost seemed like everyone, including Congress, was stuck in this landing pattern because of the focus on Mueller.
Going to be a really interesting next couple of weeks is all I have to say.
I don't think any Democrat went into the #resist territory of conspiracy? Unless I'm mistaken?
This is what we're going to fucking do now?
We deified him for 2 years as our savior now he's a GOP operative?
Grow up. Mueller isn't a partisan hack... But perhaps we are. If he couldn't find it, there's no evidence. Trump wins, now we can move on.
don't be depressed about the amount of money spent. Manafort's restitution and forfeitures alone paid for the entire investigation.
There is no scandal, that's the point. Whatever Trump actually did was either not a big enough deal or was too well covered up for it for it to matter. He said it was a witch hunt and, well, apparently it was.
Like I said yesterday, you hope for the best, expect the worst and make do with what you have. Your government isn't going to get rid of Trump so, if you want him out of the White House, you have to vote him out.
You have how many months before the next election? Use them. Just because he's not a treasonous criminal doesn't mean he isn't still a dirt bag. Only 55% of Americans turned up to vote last time and Trump still lost the popular vote, right? So get more people voting. The more that vote, the harder it will be for Trump to win a second term.
Russia isn't communist.
Russia has committed numerous actions against the United States.
No one is saying go to war(MAD will ensure that never happens) but there's no reason to be a friendly pacifist on a hostile kleptocratic government that considers the USA an ideological enemy, and has committed numerous intrusions into USA networks.
Exactly. You look like a chump not standing up to a hostile country that literally laid out a roadmap on how to destabilize the US.
Hate Trump but love his policies. All of those Mccain Republicans would have enacted the exact same stuff that Trump did, even if they dressed it up in a more polite package
Thing is it's all about the narrative. I think now with these developments they can spun any way and we will have to see how. Rs are masters of spin and I don't think Ds want to start a propoganda machine and turn this into Hilary's email or Benghazi for the left. Rs will go super dirty with this. It's a matter of controlling the narrative and I see this helping trump. Could help Ds though depending how they follow this up or spin it but right now this is a very good for Rs.
It's really no wonder how Trump earned the nickname Teflon Don when people are this surface level when it comes to analyzing things.
What exactly do you believe the full report will do? Factually, Mueller's report says it doesn't conclude one way or the other. Only Barr can authorise prosecutions on its findings. Impeachment would require a massive Republican swing which would never happen. And I don't see why the content would affect public sentiment anymore than Trump's previous public attempts to obstruct.
Between his summary and the lack of further indictments to Don Jr and Kushner... What more do you need?
It's over.
Circumstantial evidence is only good for minorities and poor people here.
I mean, Trump has obstructed justice in front of our eyes many times. You don't need a report to know that.
You're being awfully definitive about something that we haven't seen more than a four-page summary of, and awfully dismissive toward someone whose political engagement you have no notion of. While I don't expect impeachment given political realities, saying "there is no scandal" is about as disconnected from reality as it gets.
An interesting summary. I am going to presume that the ambiguity as to if Trump obstructed justice is somewhat semantic. If he, or no one in his campaign, colluded with Russia, then any investigation intended to prove he did would not be on its way to justice at all, therefore obstructing it isn't obstructing justice.
Seeing all the Mueller failed stuff is whack though. His job was not to bury Trump, it was to determine the truth, if the truth isn't what you wanted, that's fine, but it doesn't mean Mueller fucked up.
Trump should not be President, or really, anyone of influence, and he is most assuredly a criminal, but if he didn't do these two particular crimes, so be it.
Seeing all the Mueller failed stuff is whack though. His job was not to bury Trump, it was to determine the truth, if the truth isn't what you wanted, that's fine, but it doesn't mean Mueller fucked up.
Trump should not be President, or really, anyone of influence, and he is most assuredly a criminal, but if he didn't do these two particular crimes, so be it.
Nah i want the report released. "It doesn't exonerate Trump." Means there IS damaging shit in there. I want to know what it says.
If the report was good news then Republicans wouldn't be fighting against its release.
Don't bother.
After a quick look at his short post history, it's clear that he's not posting in good faith. He largely concern trolls Trump threads as a self-proclaimed lifelong libertarian who will continue to only vote libertarian.
The man literally told us his state of mind and reasoning for firing Comey on broadcast TV. After he laughed about it with the Russians in the oval office, that is.
Wouldn't releasing the full report potentially expose confidential information to...Russia?
Do we want to expose ourselves like that?
Do we want to expose ourselves like that?
What war drums? Who in their right mind is calling for war?
And actual money from Russia flowed into election campaigns and the NRA among others There is legitimate questions to be asked here about money laundering.
This is not McCarthyism where people's lives were destroyed with baseless accusations.