And yet, here we areI can't recall any of them doing something this egregious. This is WWE2k20 level shit.
And yet, here we areI can't recall any of them doing something this egregious. This is WWE2k20 level shit.
I feel like the context is pretty plain and clear. No GTS. Add that to the stream previews, the 400ish dex, the iffy animations, the confusing background battle backgrounds, and all the other stuff we're finding out...what kind of response were you thinking of getting? When I saw the hashtag on twitter trending I honestly wasn't sure if it was gonna be sarcastic or not given the hostility between fans.
Also, not to play this card but how many political threads are there in OffTopic that have the first page littered with 'Fuck Trump' posts and literally nothing else? Like, why aren't those considered drive-by posts?
I don't really see anything changing within the fandom at any point. The game is about to come out, and I highly doubt we're gonna see anything that could sway some good faith toward the franchise. At least for me. I only got the game for $30 and I feel like that's a fair price for what I've seen. At least it's a fair enough price for me to play for a few hours and get bored. At least I didn't shell otu 60$ like Lets Go
Lol yeah I noticed that, I was just looking if anything was wrong with Chinchou.
Gamefreak is flat out releasing an unfinished game people.
The benefit of the doubt phase should be over. They should be criticized as harshly as Bethesda or EA for this.
Could an explanation of what GTS is and why it's central to Pokemon be added to the OP please?
Either that or the Pokemon license needs to be moved to a different developer.
Thank you!The GTS or "Global Trade System" was an online Pokemon Market Place where you could upload Pokemon and ask for a specific Pokemon for a trade.
Any player would be able to see your post and check their collection to find if they have a Pokemon that meets your criteria,
if they did, they could upload it and both Pokemon were traded, even if you were offline at the moment.
As soon as you logged back, your new Pokemon was added to you box and you could now upload a new one.
Or perhaps the negatives simply outweigh the positives for many of us? It's not even the same negatives between everyone. I don't care whatsoever that EXP Share can't be disabled, but plenty of others do. Some don't care about the cut Pokemon and the cut GTS, but to me they're complete deal breakers. I think the graphic issues are laughably bad, but would never have let them keep me from getting the game - for others though that has pushed them to reconsider. Others yet just want a meaty game and are let down by the limited end game. A large majority of the positives tend to be small QOL changes that, while nice, simply do not outweigh the stronger negatives some of us feel are present.No I'm just saying that the leaks people are focusing on tend to be negative because they're pushing the narrative that has been building for a while.
Take people focusing on the Link Code element of this. We know that you can connect easily through the Y-Comm.
"Not many people used it, so we asked ourselves what the people who did use it were trying to do. Well, they're trying to exchange one specific Pokemon for another specific Pokemon without planning out a trade with someone beforehand, which you can still do with Wonder Trade. It just may take more trades until you get what you want."SW/SH are getting to Fallout76 levels of bad press. Sheesh. This game needs to bomb (it won't) so GF will wake the fuck up. Either that or the Pokemon license needs to be moved to a different developer.
Incoming Masuda messsage "pokemon trading online isn't important and you don't need them all since a party is made up of 6, so we took it out"
Or perhaps the negatives simply outweigh the positives for many of us? It's not even the same negatives between everyone. I don't care whatsoever that EXP Share can't be disabled, but plenty of others do. Some don't care about the cut Pokemon and the cut GTS, but to me they're complete deal breakers. I think the graphic issues are laughably bad, but would never have let them keep me from getting the game - for others though that has pushed them to reconsider. Others yet just want a meaty game and are let down by the limited end game. A large majority of the positives tend to be small QOL changes that, while nice, simply do not outweigh the stronger negatives some of us feel are present.
Couldn't online trading just be called something else.?
Yes I'm potentially in deep denial.
What's with the double standard for pokemon threads vs threads like anthem, fallout 76, etc? Someone explain to me why "criticism/toxicity" is allowed in those but not here? Is it cause this thread has a more delusional defense force being really bothered?
It's even worse. Gamefreak has profit sharing with TPC, Creatures inc, and Nintendo. They've made billions by now for sure.So much concern trolling over the hashtag use. It's not "cruel" to be sarcastic towards a company that makes millions off the most lucrative media franchise in the world. It's not "cruel" to complain that a game series's features and content are regressing while the games now cost $60 compared to the $40 they used to. Saying #ThankYouGameFreak over something like this is not the equivalent of finding a Game Freak employee and rubbing their nose in harassment. It's an extremely mild way of expressing discontent in the grand scheme of things, so just because y'all SAY it's cruel to the devs doesn't make it so. It's directed at the company, which is not, in fact, your friend. Not to say that cruelty towards the devs hasn't happened and that it shouldn't be condemned when it does happen, but save it for when that's actually happening.
Online trading still exists in the game.Couldn't online trading just be called something else.?
Yes I'm potentially in deep denial.
I thought about creating a thread about this but I'm not knowledgeable enough about the whole picture - why is this level of hatred directed to gamefreak and not Nintendo/Pokémon company (not sure how they decide, frankly) for their deadlines? This could be a naive question, and I do know they've given reasons for the cut Pokémon unrelated to "we didn't have time," but then again, I doubt they could freely blame that issue on their publisher.
No need to take it away from gamefreak, just use a good director for next games. They have one.
Can someone explain the significance of this to a Pokémon outsider? Also, what was all the fuss about certain Pokémon not being in the game?
It's not so easy to just walk away. I grew up with this series. I still regularly replay previous games. It's just the mainline games that have been letting me down the last few years. And the frustrating part is I know how much better the games could be if the developer behind it had the time and ability to make them shine.
Oh, and I don't see people telling others to 'just invest in something else' when franchises like Mass Effect or Dragon Age have struggles. It's another dismissal that seems fairly unique to the Pokemon fanbase.
I literally bought a Switch Lite just to play this game online, since my OG Switch is homebrewed. I was thinking I would be able to enjoy the GTS without having to worry about getting banned... Well, that certainly won't happen now, for better or worse.
Why would Game Freak not even say in advance that the GTS is gone? Are they seriously expecting people to find out after buying the game? I have absolutely no faith in reviewers mentioning all these cuts, since they are not going to impact them in a meaningful way. The GTS, for example, wouldn't have been available during the review period, so it won't warrant a mention. Even a passing one at that...
I don't understand this logic. Why is it wrong for people to expect more from a franchise they love? All criticism leveraged against this game seems to be countered by "it's actually the fans who are at fault".
I think of the employees too but those "fans" are not the ones who asked for a new game every fucking year. We got SM in 2016, USUM in 17, LG in 18 and now this. Would have been simpler if we got initially a SM port, Eclipse instead of USUM in 3DS and now got a more complete game. Also I'm not really asking for more work, I just disagree with their priorities. I love the QoL changes they introduce but when it comes to main features like camp, playing with Pokemon, char cosmetics, dynamax I'm like wtf who even asked for those.
"Not many people used it, so we asked ourselves what the people who did use it were trying to do. Well, they're trying to exchange one specific Pokemon for another specific Pokemon without planning out a trade with someone beforehand, which you can still do with Wonder Trade. It just may take more trades until you get what you want."
the game has graphics from two gens ago, and seems to have numerous online features cut. Every Pokémon game since gen 2 had all the Pokémon available through transfer. This one does not, cutting the roster to 400ish
maybe just not a bunch of thank you game freak posts would be a good start, idkWhen you say 'criticism is fine', how exactly do you want that? MLA format? Powerpoint? Dissertation?
What grates me is that posters say that but it comes out as "You can be mad about this thing but you gotta do it specifically in this way". Some say, "just shut up, don't buy the game" but...whats the point of a forum then? Some of y'all act like we're being like an abusive parent to GameFreak or something.
Voting with your wallet doesn't really work with mainline Pokemon games. It's similar to Call of Duty where despite growing harsh criticism with each entry. They always end up selling gangbusters.I agree with all of these comments and understand the frustration. I'm just saying, PLEASE vote with your wallets and don't resort to personal attacks on employees or be horrendous dicks about it on the internet.
Express frustration all day, it comes form a place of love, respect and passion for the franchise...I totally get that. Just please do not buy the game. I'm not going to buy it until I hear more about the technical side. If reviewers mention its a technical mess, then I'm out.
I thought about creating a thread about this but I'm not knowledgeable enough about the whole picture - why is this level of hatred directed to gamefreak and not Nintendo/Pokémon company (not sure how they decide, frankly) for their deadlines? This could be a naive question, and I do know they've given reasons for the cut Pokémon unrelated to "we didn't have time," but then again, I doubt they could freely blame that issue on their publisher.
as for the GTS - well, it sucks, but I sure hope the trading model ain't like Let's Go's.
Not even close, after a point the surprise trade will be flooded with the most common Pokemon. People will only put "crap" because they know they won't get anything decent. Unless there are rules that will stop you from spamming the same Route 1 lvl 3 Pokemon.wut?
so I need to trade on average 400 times to get the Pokémon I want?
Given how noone's going to trade their box legendary on Wonder Trade in fear of getting a Rattata or a Pidgey in return, you might want to add an extra zero to that number.wut?
so I need to trade on average 400 times to get the Pokémon I want?
Can't do that any more. Zubat isn't in the Pokédex.
I disagree, this is a childish* approach. If all the disappointed people skipped the game the effect in sales would be significant. It seems like 3-4 fans out of 10 are disappointed. They will still buy the game it seems.Voting with your wallet doesn't really work with mainline Pokemon games. It's similar to Call of Duty where despite growing harsh criticism with each entry. They always end up selling gangbusters.
They're not gonna patch it inYo, some here are really gross. It's the same with nearly every Kojima thread about how bad death stranding is, how bad he himself is, while in the OT there are the people that actually enjoy it. Some really need a breath of fresh air, it's getting disgusting how some are representing their "opinion". And hashtag was really a mistake, by far. Looking forward to the games and the OT, even without GTS. Who knows, maybe they will give an update. I will as always wait for an official reply first.
God, this is uncanny."Not many people used it, so we asked ourselves what the people who did use it were trying to do. Well, they're trying to exchange one specific Pokemon for another specific Pokemon without planning out a trade with someone beforehand, which you can still do with Wonder Trade. It just may take more trades until you get what you want."
Or they can trade with their friends locally?Hilarious that a company as child friendly as TPC is forcing children to basically go online and talk to strangers and exchange friend codes to trade for the Pokémon they want.
This is ridiculous.
Yes, but it's now called Surprise Trade and is passive in the background
Heavily dependent on them having friends that play Pokémon.Or they can trade with their friends locally?
Yes, but it's now called Surprise Trade and is passive in the background
Well FF is solely owned by SE, while GF ownership of the Pokemon franchise is not really known since it's shared with Nintendo, Pokemon company and Creatures Inc. I guess it's not really plausible for any other developer to touch this franchise for the "real" games due to legal reasons, but still I would love to see a developer who isn't completely out of touch with reality to tackle this franchise.No matter how questionable the games get this will never make sense. Its their game so its as nonsensical as like asking Square to give Final Fantasy to someone else because FF13 was disappointing or after XV's clear development issues. Comparing it to Fallout76 is ridiculous since that game was completely bug ridden and broken with nothing to do in it, and still you can't really tell them to hand over the Fallout IP.
And that's even under the assumption that these games will tank financially and critically, which there's a pretty low chance.
That's a big if.
It is, and that's why it sucks that it is gone, but it wasn't the only option.