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Confirmation that the Feds initially REFUSED National Guard deployment in DC yesterday
- Thread starter Syriel
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Pretty much. From what has been reported, Pence technically "broke the law" to do the right thing.
No one's going to prosecute the man for that. Well maybe Cruz, Hawley, and Gaetz would try, but they'd be laughed out of every attempt.
Reporting yesterday stated he repeatedly resisted requests to call in the National Guard. It sounds like Pence and the SecArmy finally decided to take matters into their own hands even though it was technically illegal.
This is in my opinion, more than anything, the item that started some in the Cabinet to at least consider invoking the 25th. Authorizing the National Guard should have been the single most non-controversial decision of the day.
Thanks both for the info drop. I hope he is still charged. Embarrassing. Shame to everyone who keeps him in office.
whats interesting is that Governor of Maryland try to activate his guardsmen to send to DC. That makes sense if you follow the chain, I don't think you can take your Ng and activate it for operations outside of your jurisdiction. Definitely more fuel to the DC statehood fire
eh, OP is literally about the governor of maryland being unable to raise the guard in response to a request from DC
Don't see why the governor of DC-state would fare any better
How is it a theory when you have white guys walking into the state capitol with a police escort damn near? Theres video.
It's not a conspiracy; there's no doubt in some way or form somewhere up the chain someone intentionally let the security be lax. The question is how high up and was it planned just to be a rowdy extension of his rally directly outside of the Capitol to apply some pressure or when they saw it was out of control were like 'Hrm, fuck it. Don't do anything and lets see where they take it.'
There was a 15 minute window where things could have played out slightly differently and we'd be looking at the terrorists being able to pull off the failed Governor Whitmer abduction/execution but with members of Congress.
Capitol Hill reporters live on TV yesterday plainly stated they noticed a severe lack of security at the Capitol compared to just an average normal day. Now I've read reports today a huge number of police at the Capitol took the day off yesterday.
Trump tweeted this:
We have videos of the Capitol Police taking selfies with the rioters that were trespassing in The Capitol, and then hours later peaceful escorting them out, not arresting them
And now it seems we have confirmation that the Feds and seemingly Trump himself were refusing to bring in the National Gaurd.
I think we have enough smoke, that there should be an extensive investigation just what (if anything at all) the Trump administration and The Capitol Police were planning or coordinating for January 6th.
Trump tweeted this:
We have videos of the Capitol Police taking selfies with the rioters that were trespassing in The Capitol, and then hours later peaceful escorting them out, not arresting them
And now it seems we have confirmation that the Feds and seemingly Trump himself were refusing to bring in the National Gaurd.
I think we have enough smoke, that there should be an extensive investigation just what (if anything at all) the Trump administration and The Capitol Police were planning or coordinating for January 6th.
I highly recommend listening to this discussion from Malcolm Nance on NPR.
www.wbur.org
"In this one, because it was after a speech that President Trump had attended, they viewed this, I suspect, that these protesters were about to exercise what I could only identify as the ultimate white privilege. They were seen as allied with law enforcement when they got to the western side of the Capitol, it was open warfare with law enforcement. But the ones that went to the eastern side that eventually penetrated the building, they were almost cooperating with them as if they were an extremely large high school tour group. It was an utter collapse of the Capitol Hill Police's responsibilities and their protocols. Everyone in that organization's management must be fired and then all officers need to be investigated to see whether they were complicit in this."
How Were Pro-Trump Extremists Able To Storm The U.S. Capitol?
National security analyst Malcolm Nance says U.S. Capitol Police management needs to be fired, and the officers involved should be investigated for potential complicity in the insurrection.
www.wbur.org
"In this one, because it was after a speech that President Trump had attended, they viewed this, I suspect, that these protesters were about to exercise what I could only identify as the ultimate white privilege. They were seen as allied with law enforcement when they got to the western side of the Capitol, it was open warfare with law enforcement. But the ones that went to the eastern side that eventually penetrated the building, they were almost cooperating with them as if they were an extremely large high school tour group. It was an utter collapse of the Capitol Hill Police's responsibilities and their protocols. Everyone in that organization's management must be fired and then all officers need to be investigated to see whether they were complicit in this."
The citizens in question were violently trying to invade the Capitol where the Congress and VP were.
I mean, because they're white. They prob get away with that shit regardless. That said, what krazen said. The trump loyalist in the dod too.
Your sarcasm is lost on me if you're seriously trying to suggest that the police should have let the mob overtake Congress (which they did).
Hold these people accountable for what they have done. It's that simple. We even have the pictures, videos and eye witnesses. And it's the only way it won't be worse next time.
Goes without saying, but I keep imagining how much worse it would have been if so many people involved weren't so fcking stupid. Or are they actually smart enough to know that there's a good chance nothing will come of this for many of them? Remains to be seen.
Goes without saying, but I keep imagining how much worse it would have been if so many people involved weren't so fcking stupid. Or are they actually smart enough to know that there's a good chance nothing will come of this for many of them? Remains to be seen.
Absolutely complicit. Prosecute.
yeah I don't understand that either. Like even if this is what the gop wanted, what is the benefit in risking their own lives allowing armed rioters into the building, the same building theyre inside approving the electors that the rioters are against? Literal suicide.
I believe the Governor of Maryland asked the Pentagon if he could send NG forces, but obviously they refused to let him let them in. technically, you cant have states sending forces into federal territory without permission.
I don't think the government should be able to kill it's citizens via the death penalty and I don't think they should be able to turn the military against it's citizens.
I don't want them to have that power. It will be much worse in the coming years from them to have this power.
Doesn't really seem that a simple resignation from the police chief is enough here. He knew exactly how to prepare security for the Capitol last year when it wasn't even needed during the Floyd protests but this year when an attack had been telegraphed for weeks he didn't know what to do? Drag his ass in front of Congress to answer questions about why he made those decisions.
Pretty much the same happened in Germany a couple of weeks ago where the parliament was only guarded by 3 police guards while the numbers of BLM and other social protests are dealt with huge numbers.
The Public simply forgot about that incident.
Sorry, but that's irrelevant to this thread's concerns.
The relevant question along these terms is whether or not the police can use force to stop violence against innocents.
The question here is whether or not the police and military have an obligation to quell sedition.
If you want to debate capital punishment, I'm not sure why you are doing it in this thread.
The hearings for this will be the stuff of fucking LEGEND.
Court Martial's, firings, and I expect to see some real charges for Mr. Trump.
Court Martial's, firings, and I expect to see some real charges for Mr. Trump.
they wanted pence's head as well. can you imagine if that angry mod actually got a hold of him and did who knows what?
I'm advising we be wary of the legitimising the political mechanisms used by facist governments to control and kill its citizens simply because they are currently being deployed against people we don't like.
Sorry, but the issue here is that the police stood down and abdicated responsibility, not that they are too empowered.
Is your argument that the police should have done nothing to protect the Capitol and those inside it?
No one on this forum would support the police or military being turned against peaceful protests. This was not a peaceful protest.
I get the feeling that you just want to lecture us, but the lecture is misplaced.
LOL at "people we don't like." These were people actively engaging in terrorism. Not someone I had a disagreement with about pineapple on pizza.
Shocked.
If they were black or Muslim they'd have Predator drones and mobilized the Navy Seals or some shit in 3 minutes.
If they were black or Muslim they'd have Predator drones and mobilized the Navy Seals or some shit in 3 minutes.
Capital Police needs to be straight up gutted down to the last man. The only people left should be the damn janitorial staff who at least do the job of keeping the buildings cleaned. Whole organization is compromised.
For real.
BLM Protests: "Deploy the first through third legions, have the armadas and the armored divisons on standby ready to deploy at my command."
MAGA heads protest and take over and attack a federal building full of sitting members at the time counting votes to usher in the next president: "Eh, mall security can handle it"
For real.
BLM Protests: "Deploy the first through third legions, have the armadas and the armored divisons on standby ready to deploy at my command."
MAGA heads protest and take over and attack a federal building full of sitting members at the time counting votes to usher in the next president: "Eh, mall security can handle it"
I'm surprised I haven't seen any republican argue that elected officials should be allowed to conceal carry in the Capitol bc of this.
They can. There's a far-right GOP congresswoman who was just elected from CO who's going to carry.
They wouldn't have even made it up the steps before people would have been shot at and afterwards you would have whole demographics getting their liberties trampled on all in the name of 'National Security.'
'I will carry my Glock to Congress' | New GOP congresswoman advocates for bringing gun to Capitol
Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) posted a video to Twitter that appeared to show her conceal carrying a gun while walking the streets of D.C.
www.wusa9.com
So from what I gather following the story: the Cap police or the Sergeant at Arms basically said there's nothing prohibiting her from carrying it. DC has told her to fuck right off. So I guess she'll put it on when she gets to work?
Oh ok, I remember seeing this and assuming it meant they couldn't. Like arming teachers was their solution to school shootings, I'm waiting for them to argue this is the solution here as well.'I will carry my Glock to Congress' | New GOP congresswoman advocates for bringing gun to Capitol
Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) posted a video to Twitter that appeared to show her conceal carrying a gun while walking the streets of D.C.
So from what I gather following the story: the Cap police or the Sergeant at Arms basically said there's nothing prohibiting her from carrying it. DC has told her to fuck right off. So I guess she'll put it on when she gets to work?
Read this piece earlier today saying some allies believe law enforcement was in league with Trump rioters, and in conjunction with the overall response it really has me thinking there needs to be a deep investigation.
www.businessinsider.com
Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials
The big unanswered question: Why were so few law-enforcement agents at the Capitol when demonstrations like that are usually heavily policed?
www.businessinsider.com