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What was your response to XIII?

  • It was my first FF and I was a fan

    Votes: 45 4.7%
  • It was my first FF and I was not a fan

    Votes: 33 3.4%
  • I was a series regular and I was a fan

    Votes: 394 41.1%
  • I was a series regular and I was not a fan

    Votes: 487 50.8%

  • Total voters
    959

Manmademan

Election Thread Watcher
Member
Aug 6, 2018
16,069
I thought it was fine. The linear design definitely could've been better (FFX is pretty linear but doesn't get the same complaints due to how it's designed).

my biggest FF13 complaints is the story fucking sucks. It has good characters and moments, but the actual story we had to deal with between 3 games was too much.

I don't think anyone would disagree with you that the story between XIII, XIII-2, and LR is some of the worst content ever slapped on a disc when taken as a whole, but it's also obvious the series wasn't planned out that way from start to finish.

"FFXIII" to me just means the initial entry, the two follow ups are their own thing, even if they do kinda/sorta continue the storyline.

It's been long enough that I'm not angry anymore. If there's a ps5 release I'll check it out

XIII-2 is a legitimately good game that had it not had "XIII-2" slapped on it would have cult hit status around here. It's a very fun time travel RPG with a plot that's passable, though not what I'd call stellar. The worst thing you can say about it is that it's a bit on the easy side, but honestly so are most FF's in general up until the point XIII came out.
 

FTLMantis

Member
Oct 28, 2017
80
Where is the "it was fine" option? It wasn't great, but it was much better than the really awful ff7r , ff14, ff11, and ff15. I've played every game in the series i would put it in the bottom half, but not too far down.
 

Beth Cyra

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,903
Where is the "it was fine" option? It wasn't great, but it was much better than the really awful ff7r , ff14, ff11, and ff15. I've played every game in the series i would put it in the bottom half, but not too far down.
Ignoring VIIR and XV…why do you have both Xi and XIV listed?

They are pretty different beasts and cater to to widely different demographics, so I'm curious as to the how and why they can simultaneously both be truly awful outside of the fact they are both MMO's.
 

McScroggz

The Fallen
Jan 11, 2018
5,974
I think the most interesting genuine discussion with this game is its combat system and how good or "bad" it is. It's pretty common to see a lot of the detractors say a list of bad things, and "fun combat, good visuals, and good soundtrack." I find it fascinating because I've never been particularly fond of the implementation in the game outside of a few battles.
 

FTLMantis

Member
Oct 28, 2017
80
Ignoring VIIR and XV…why do you have both Xi and XIV listed?

They are pretty different beasts and cater to to widely different demographics, so I'm curious as to the how and why they can simultaneously both be truly awful outside of the fact they are both MMO's.

To me, a MMO is by definition a bad game. I don't believe that it's possible to make a game that desires to be played forever in an ethical manner, especially if you have a subscription attached. I know this is a wildly minority opinion here but I stand by it.
 

Skoje

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,541
To me, a MMO is by definition a bad game. I don't believe that it's possible to make a game that desires to be played forever in an ethical manner, especially if you have a subscription attached. I know this is a wildly minority opinion here but I stand by it.
welp.... that's.... uhhh an opinion. Though i giggled that you put ethics in with it, but whatever
 

Schopenhauer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
876
At that point I had played through every FF title released in the US and did not care for much of anything about FFXIII or FXIII - 2. On the other hand, I thought Lightning Returns was fantastic and wished they had gone even farther with the time mechanics in that game, so who knows?
 

AgentLampshade

Sweet Commander
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,328
Thought it was OK for what it was, but didn't have an interesting story, characters or world and that hurt it so so much. They course corrected for XIII-2 but then went off the deep end for LR.

My overall opinion as a somewhat newer fan of the franchise (starting from X and working backwards skipping the ones that didn't appeal to me) is that it didn't deserve the entire generation to itself and I'd have liked to see FXIII-2 as a standalone title.
 

Beth Cyra

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,903
To me, a MMO is by definition a bad game. I don't believe that it's possible to make a game that desires to be played forever in an ethical manner, especially if you have a subscription attached. I know this is a wildly minority opinion here but I stand by it.
I see I see.

Well I appreciate the response.
 

FTLMantis

Member
Oct 28, 2017
80
welp.... that's.... uhhh an opinion. Though i giggled that you put ethics in with it, but whatever
I mean, how does preying on addiction not become an ethical thing? And MMOs obviously do use addiction as a central mechanism. I have the same position on gambling and gacha games as well.
 

Dolce

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,253
ERA is the last place you want to ask for opinions on things like this. Final Fantasy XIII is the kind of RPG that is popular among a different set of gamers. And even as diverse as ERA might be, it also tends to skew quite male heavy, while XIII definitely has a lot of female fans, unsurprisingly, like most FF games.
 

Sparkedglory2

Member
Nov 3, 2017
6,429
I'm a series regular, and I absolutely hated 13 until it opened up at Gran Pulse I think? That was by far my favorite point in the game and I spent so much time just wandering around doing hunts and leveling up.
IMO that's what the game needed more of. The corridor crap was just not fun, and it's not even like I'm against linear design. X is my favorite in the series and people constantly want to compare the linearity of the two. The thing is that every area in 10, while linear, is still open enough for you to explore around in. 13 is quite literally a hallway.

All that being said. 13-2 and lightning returns were very good games that tried to address the issues of the original, and were much more enjoyable because of it.
 
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StraySheep

StraySheep

It's Pronounced "Aerith"
Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,300
ERA is the last place you want to ask for opinions on things like this. Final Fantasy XIII is the kind of RPG that is popular among a different set of gamers. And even as diverse as ERA might be, it also tends to skew quite male heavy, while XIII definitely has a lot of female fans, unsurprisingly, like most FF games.

You may be on to something but I think in general it would be hard to reach people who have played Final Fantasy but don't post on a game forum about it. This is the best tool I have to work with! And no matter what the responses are interesting!

I haven't read all the comments but I can at least say they are more civil here than some other places on the internet I have seen over the years.
 

Dolce

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,253
You may be on to something but I think in general it would be hard to reach people who have played Final Fantasy but don't post on a game forum about it. This is the best tool I have to work with! And no matter what the responses are interesting!

I haven't read all the comments but I can at least say they are more civil here than some other places on the internet I have seen over the years.

Oh I'm not saying don't make the thread or anything, just that of course we're always going to be missing a part of the picture. It's where some of the disconnect you'll see comes from.
 

Dreamboum

Member
Oct 28, 2017
22,883
I am a pretty big fan of the series and I enjoyed FF13 a lot. I think it has some issues endemic of the series' state, but it's actually very competent at telling a story and fleshing out characters. It's very similar to FFX but I believe it's ten times the game that FFX isn't. They shit on Snow for being a jock and then they defend Wakka's turbo-racist ass and how his "redemption" is a highlight of the series lol
 

SirKai

Member
Dec 28, 2017
7,422
Washington
It's very similar to FFX but I believe it's ten times the game that FFX isn't. They shit on Snow for being a jock and then they defend Wakka's turbo-racist ass and how his "redemption" is a highlight of the series lol

Eh, as someone who thinks FFX is massively overrated and has not aged well at all, I've never seen this before and don't believe this narrative or view of the character really exists on any measurable scale.
 

aiswyda

Member
Aug 11, 2018
3,093
I played and finished ff13 for the first time earlier this year. I think it's a supremely fine title with a lot of good and a lot of bizarre choices. Good includes music, a lot of the characters, some of the writing—the battle system is really interesting, but I think the way it's set up means it gets repetitive and does not lend itself well to the trash mobs you fight most of the game. In boss fights? Absolutely rips.

bizarre includes the lack of clear worldbuilding, the level design (both the hallways and the aesthetic imo do so little to add to the experience), repetitive enemy design, and poor naming choices for more heavy concepts. Also like—they do a really bad job of getting you into a position where you understand all these termsthey're throwing around unless you go read thecodex.

it feels like a game where they not only ran out of time and money, but just didn't have a lot of the overall story and world thought through.
It's not as bad as 15 tho lol
 

Doctor_Thomas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,677
Series regular, not a fan.

I held on, I really did.

People said "get to Gran Pulse and it opens up and gets good"... so I stuck with it. It took 30 hours to get there. 30 hours...

Then I got there and Gran Pulse opens up into a gaping area, then immediately funnels you into a corridor again. I died once more and that was me done.

The battle theme is also the best in the entire series.

FFX and FFVIIR both have a similar "linear" style but don't feel remotely as offensive as FFXIII and I don't know why.
 

Dougieflesh

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,565
Milky Way Ghetto
ERA is the last place you want to ask for opinions on things like this. Final Fantasy XIII is the kind of RPG that is popular among a different set of gamers. And even as diverse as ERA might be, it also tends to skew quite male heavy, while XIII definitely has a lot of female fans, unsurprisingly, like most FF games.
I think this statement works way better if you sub XIII for XV.
 

DJ_Lae

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,881
Edmonton
Didn't like it. Tried a few times....didn't care for the characters, the obtuse (even by FF standards) story, the corridors, etc.

Even the battle system, which was the game's best aspect, was just okay.
 

Bearwolf

Member
Oct 27, 2017
477
Only played the first Final Fantasy before trying this. Got about 2 hours in and I just didn't like it.
 

Addie

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,757
DFW
FF13 is the only game I ever platinumed, just so I could prove to people that I searched the entire game for some kind of redeeming value, but found nothing.

(I'd try it again on its own terms, though.)
 

Rapscallion

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,795
I played it at release and was already a fan.

It's a fine game that I think is judged against its pedigree more so than what is actually in the game. It's certainly not my favorite FF, but it's not a bad game. There's some things to like about the battle system, story, and world and of course there are elements that felt scaled back in comparison to other titles. Much of those elements would get improved upon in FFXII-2 and (to a lesser degree) LR, though it's inarguable that those games make the storyline complete non-sense.

I don't think I'd ever want to return to FFXIII, but nor would I Lost Odyssey or several other big JRPGS of the era people clamor on about.
 

Sesto

Member
Sep 16, 2020
8
Series regular, not a fan.

To me it just did not feel like a FF at all. There where no Towns, Exploration, Intriguing character or story, funny mini games, nothing. I am also not a fan of the combat system where you can always swap around your class, I prefer the pre determined Job system where you either play as a Black Mage, White Mage, Thief, etc.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,310
Midgar, With Love
Not to dismiss the thread entirely or anything, but this kind of thing comes up with basically every FF since VII. In each instance, the hypothesis is, "Do people dislike this entry because it didn't live up to expectations that a previous title established in their minds?"

The results are ever-inconclusive.
 
May 24, 2021
1,419
I was a series fan when I played it (I had played 1, 4, 6-10, and 12). I disliked basically everything about FF13, except a few of the music tracks and Fang's character design.

The pacing is terrible, the characters are almost always annoying, they don't have any chemistry with each other, and the plot is just mind numbing with all of it's weird l'cie & Fal'cie mumbo jumbo. The game also just dumps a ton of stuff into data logs to explain things.

You got the linearity, that wouldn't necessarily be a massive detriment to the game on it's own, but then you combine that with how empty and dead the game world feels, and it's just awful. There's ZERO actual level design + sense of discovery going on in this game outside of that big field area where they finally let you walk around a bit.

Then there's that combat system. Just straight up a worse, more auto-pilot'y version of FF12's. Half of the time you don't even get to play with a full party. It's like they felt like they had some complex battle system on their hands and didn't think people would be able to figure out how it worked, and locked everything behind tutorials/hand holding/training wheels until 2/3 or so into the game.

Magic is mostly just watching the Ai throw different colored glowing orbs at things, and nothing has any weight or sense of real impact behind it.

And you can't control character movement + character positioning doesn't matter either way. It's just a bunch of movement on screen for no reason without any player input. I can't help but wonder just how much time was wasted on this useless crap.

Awful game.
 
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asmith906

Member
Oct 27, 2017
27,453
I started playing final fantasy with 7. I was a huge fan and 13 was one of my most hyped games. I even bought a ps3 in anticipation of it. I ultimately ended up getting the game on 360 though since that's what my friends had and we shared games.

I didn't hate the game I just found it kind of average. No towns and the level design seemed kind of lazy. I found it more enjoyable once the world opened up but that was very far into the game.

The music and graphics were very very good

I found the story kind of confusing and I really disliked Hope. Fang is best character.
 

Griffith

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,585
Wow... the poll results have been an eye-opener. No wonder the series has gotten so far from what once made me appreciate it, almost half the series regulars actually liked it.
 

Larrikin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,747
My brother and I were long time series fans (in fact FF9 was the first game I ever finished on my own).

I was doing the final section of FFXIII, final boss and cutscenes and whatnot when he walked into the room and after watching for a few minutes he was like "so what's happening here?" and after a full minute of thinking about it I realised I had absolutely no fucking clue what was happening or how to describe it. It's utter nonsense and a truly awful game.
 

Gouf

Member
May 17, 2018
1,008
Final Fantasy 13 was the first game I ever played in the series and it really turned me off despite me going in wanting to like it. I think I made it 40 hours in before calling it quits at some boss I got stuck at. The battle system just wasn't all that enjoyable to me and I really disliked the melodramatic narrative and characters too. The visual design of the game and the OST were great, however.

Despite me not liking the game though, I do think it clued me in to the fact that I just don't like how dialogue and character mannerisms are in Final Fantasy games specifically. Don't know what it is, since these type of things don't bother me at all in other JRPGS, but in the few Final Fantasy games I've tried since then, I've never been a fan of the over the top stage play-esque choreography and dialogue.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Wow... the poll results have been an eye-opener. No wonder the series has gotten so far from what once made me appreciate it, almost half the series regulars actually liked it.

I mean, the game has been divisive since day one. I don't think it should be surprising that it has many fans.

But "divisive" sums up Final Fantasy for 20 years now. It's always quite different from the previous entry, so you're going to have a lot more debate.
 

Griffith

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,585
I mean, the game has been divisive since day one. I don't think it should be surprising that it has many fans.

But "divisive" sums up Final Fantasy for 20 years now. It's always quite different from the previous entry, so you're going to have a lot more debate.

At this point it's no longer worthy of debate for me, I don't care about the series outside of when they revisit or remaster one of the classics (and by Classics I mean PS1 and earlier).
 

LazyLain

Member
Jan 17, 2019
6,507
I wasn't super deep into FF when XIII came out, but it wasn't my first either... I'd beaten XII, played most of the way through IV and X, and played a decent chunk of VIII and IX.

I was excited for it, but was fairly disappointed. The hyperlinearity of it was the worst offender, but the battle system was almost as bad... took forever to get interesting, and then the interesting aspects quickly became tedious. I think the story and characters are decent enough though, and the music's pretty great.
 

Mechaplum

Enlightened
Member
Oct 26, 2017
18,848
JP
You know, I actually warmed up to the cast and story 10 hours in but I just couldn't stand the camera cuts anywhere everytime you shift. It's goddamn annoying. Why can't they just fix the camera view and just get the characters to swap stances, like in Persona 5? This is a really petty nitpick but damn if it wasn't one the main reasons I quit.
 

Jimmy Joe

Member
Aug 8, 2019
2,201
Final Fantasy 13 has a unique effect that I think isn't shared by other FFs, and that effect is when you look down a long corridor and you see it dotted with enemies, and you know that each of them is a discreet battle that you're going to have to get through before you get to the end of the corridor

That is a sight that is more exhausting than anything in FFX or other similarly linear FFs by an order of magnitude. And that's nearly the whole game; there isn't really anything to break up the fighting, nowhere to rest and take a break without being able to see down the length of the next corridor

I don't think FF13 is a bad game, but I've never beaten it because of that feeling. I will one day.

I've been playing FF for a little longer than 20 years.
 

Occult Fan

Member
Oct 31, 2017
111
Longtime fan and I really enjoyed it. I totally admit XIII's flaws but I found a lot more to like than dislike.
 

Grahf

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,665
Series regular.
After FFXII's story, characters, godlike OST, freedom, build variety, scale, feeling of adventure... It was a letdown on all accounts.
Combat was sort of fun but that alone couldn't save this ship.
 

LazyLain

Member
Jan 17, 2019
6,507
Final Fantasy 13 has a unique effect that I think isn't shared by other FFs, and that effect is when you look down a long corridor and you see it dotted with enemies, and you know that each of them is a discreet battle that you're going to have to get through before you get to the end of the corridor

That is a sight that is more exhausting than anything in FFX or other similarly linear FFs by an order of magnitude. And that's nearly the whole game; there isn't really anything to break up the fighting, nowhere to rest and take a break without being able to see down the length of the next corridor

I don't think FF13 is a bad game, but I've never beaten it because of that feeling. I will one day.

I've been playing FF for a little longer than 20 years.
Yuuuup. And you know each fight's gonna be a hassle that you can't just mash X to quickly get through (once you have paradigms, anyway) like a typical trash mob random encounter, because of how the game's battle system is balanced around the fact you're fully healed after every fight.
 

Truno

Unshakable Resolve
Member
Jan 16, 2020
4,874
I am a pretty big fan of the series and I enjoyed FF13 a lot. I think it has some issues endemic of the series' state, but it's actually very competent at telling a story and fleshing out characters. It's very similar to FFX but I believe it's ten times the game that FFX isn't. They shit on Snow for being a jock and then they defend Wakka's turbo-racist ass and how his "redemption" is a highlight of the series lol

Wakka is clearly portrayed negatively within the game. He was someone who grew up in a cult-like environment, his entire family was negatively influenced by machina/al-bhed, and throughout the entire course of the game the al-bhed are attempting to kidnap the person he is tasked to protect. Once Rikku joins the ensemble, the party (especially Tidus) call out Wakka on his outbursts. His role in the narrative is to show how blind the teaching and followers of Yevon are and the influence that Sin has on the citizens of Spira. He is not a character that is meant to be liked or defended, but he does show growth.
 

RomanticHeroX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,902
Long-time series fan. I imported Advent Children on Blu Ray to play the FF13 demo, then imported the Japanese launch copy, then bought the US version at launch. I played about 15 hours of the US version but my copy was defective and wouldn't load a cutscene after a boss battle and I dropped it then. I went back to it last year to finally beat it and I can say, with fresh eyes, that it's truly a terrible game. Nothing at all redeemable from that mess. I've beaten every mainline FF and would happily go back to any other, but never again am I going to play FF13.