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R0b1n

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Fucking amazing issue. I have a theory about what is going on in this issue.
Leader is in Rick. Brian is in Scar. Note how pissed Scar is at Devil. Note when Bruce talks about killing his dad his eyes/eye area turns grey. Fixit knows Scar is Brian which is why he looks pissed at Scar. When Scar shows up originally, he's larger and looks like a dad walking his kid (Savage). Brian appears in the sky. Brian is referenced a couple of times in the issue.

Remember when Bruce returned from Heroes Reborn? Leader and Brian were tormenting him while "in Hell". Leader ascended during Jenkin's run and ran into TOBA and ended up serving him. He's the one who controls the Green Door wiping memories of gamma beings given his gamma power. He allows others to return from Hell on behalf of TOBA, hence Brian's return.

Eventually, Bruce is going to have a hell of a mental fight and may have to sacrifice an alter (Fixit is the prime candidate)
I love this theory. The Leader reveal had some hints in hindsight, but I never saw it coming until the very end
 

Canucked

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Good thread about Marvel/DC's recoloring issues on Twitter.









I read old comics all the time, and while this may be blasphemous, I don't think the color is worth the effort either. Collections don't sell in the tens of thousands unless they are Spider-man and Batman. So if we get it, I'm just glad.

Also, color quality is about technology as much as it is artistry. I know they optimized and were super creative with old print comics as best they could but it's still a muddy mess. I wouldn't want faithful colors all the time. I'd rather have a full recolors.

But to contradict myself they are fucking up horror collections, like Tomb of Dracula because they are so bright. But it's either that or no collections.
 

bluexy

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I read old comics all the time, and while this may be blasphemous, I don't think the color is worth the effort either. Collections don't sell in the tens of thousands unless they are Spider-man and Batman. So if we get it, I'm just glad.

Also, color quality is about technology as much as it is artistry. I know they optimized and were super creative with old print comics as best they could but it's still a muddy mess. I wouldn't want faithful colors all the time. I'd rather have a full recolors.

But to contradict myself they are fucking up horror collections, like Tomb of Dracula because they are so bright. But it's either that or no collections.
i agree with the heart of what you're saying, canucked. that it's better to have these collections at all than to expect them to be "perfect." but i do love that classic newspaper coloring and texture a whole lot, too, so it does make me sad that it isn't being fully redone.
 

BKatastrophe

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Said it better than I could. Though I like the IDEA of Harper, but the execution has been meh.

I also think Bendis needs to quit hogging Tim and changing every little thing about him. More writers help flesh out characters. Also why I'm jazzed when any writer other than Lobdell gets a chance to play with Jason.
At the very least I'm glad Harper's LGBTQ+ representation, but beyond that even the idea of Harper just feels like Jason + Tim + a sibling. And that's not really interesting to me. What makes Tim interesting to me is that he's one of the few Bat family members without a tragic past. He didn't come from the hood, he came from a wealthy family, with good parents. He's a Batman fanboy who became Robin to help Batman. He wants to be a detective and is both a forensics and tech prodigy (which since the New 52, they've only ever played up the tech part and never the detective part). Yes his mother was killed in a hostage situation and his dad was hurt, but the whole death of his father didn't come until years down the line and that, while I didn't read it, was dumb.

Like, everyone else is tragic or from the hood or a shitty life as far as origins go aside from Barbara:

Dick: parent's killed before his eyes
Jason: deadbeat dad abandoned him. Mom ran off and murdered. Fended for himself in the ghetto.
Damian: Son of Batman. Bred by assassin mother and grandfather to kill his dad and be the perfect assassin.
Stephanie: Criminal abusive father, barely holding it together mom, lives in the ghetto
Harper: deadbeat dad, murdered mom, takes care of her younger brother, lives in the ghetto
Cass: Dad's an abusive assassin who raised her to be a murder machine. Mom's a
Master assassin who abandoned her. Both tried to kill her.
Helena: Mobster family slaughtered in front of her. Raised by assassins who were sent to prison. Taken in by more mobsters.
Duke: Okay honestly I don't remember. I haven't read We Are Robin, Snyder's Batman, and I don't remember nor did I finish The Signal.
Azrael: Brainwashedby a psychotic religion to be a murder machine/the "perfect Batman," depending.

I know I'm forgetting some, but I doubt they're good.
 

R0b1n

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Giant Size Nightcrawler was a fun read, but it was more about Doug and Warlock than Nightcrawler
Hellions seems to be touching on the whole SIXIS fanfare with Havok, and features a fantastic Sinister
 

Woozies

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Jesus, Doom. I know he's got revival protocols, but GOD DAMN

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BKatastrophe

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That about sums up his backstory right here. First shows up in Zero Year I believe.
Look all I know is he's the only Bat family member that's a meta and right now he's kind of being a baby backed bitch in Outsiders.

I don't really care that much about Duke. I feel like I'm an old man about the Bat family. Like Harper and Duke are two characters I just do not give a shit about.
 
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I read old comics all the time, and while this may be blasphemous, I don't think the color is worth the effort either.

Eh. They'd basically just have to adjust the pallet once. Even adding a paper grain texture shouldn't complicate things too much once you're happy with it.

They just think people want it flat and clean on bright white paper.
If it were up to me, they'd just print archival scans of the actual comic pages.
 
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GringoSuave89

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Look all I know is he's the only Bat family member that's a meta and right now he's kind of being a baby backed bitch in Outsiders.

I don't really care that much about Duke. I feel like I'm an old man about the Bat family. Like Harper and Duke are two characters I just do not give a shit about.

I always forget Duke is a meta. No one does anything with it, ifaik.
 

jph139

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Fucking amazing issue. I have a theory about what is going on in this issue.
Leader is in Rick. Brian is in Scar. Note how pissed Scar is at Devil. Note when Bruce talks about killing his dad his eyes/eye area turns grey. Fixit knows Scar is Brian which is why he looks pissed at Scar. When Scar shows up originally, he's larger and looks like a dad walking his kid (Savage). Brian appears in the sky. Brian is referenced a couple of times in the issue.

Remember when Bruce returned from Heroes Reborn? Leader and Brian were tormenting him while "in Hell". Leader ascended during Jenkin's run and ran into TOBA and ended up serving him. He's the one who controls the Green Door wiping memories of gamma beings given his gamma power. He allows others to return from Hell on behalf of TOBA, hence Brian's return.

Eventually, Bruce is going to have a hell of a mental fight and may have to sacrifice an alter (Fixit is the prime candidate)

I think that's plausible. There was definitely SOMETHING up with Green Scar - they didn't pull the trigger at the end of the issue, like I expected them to, but he's definitely under the influence of someone, and it being Brian would make sense.

And I think you nailed it on the Leader. There's this big unexplained gap between "abandoning my physical form to ascend to a higher plane of existence" and "I'm back doing villain stuff" in his history, so filling that gap with the TOBA would be the sort of continuity porn that Ewing really loves.

Would be kind of funny, though. Like, Leader was disguised as Brian and is piloting Rick, while Brian was disguised as Green Scar trying to pilot Bruce.
 

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For anyone curious about "that thing" Hulk did in today's Immortal Hulk and why it was said to have happened before

Incredible Hulk 372
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Not only is it a cool visual, it also ties into it narratively, as issue 372 also featured the return of
"Classic Hulk" after an extended absence
 

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I'm sorry but Doom can go fuck himself with that talk.
And I'm surprised that people actually agree with him like
"fuck mutants, they got uppity now they deserve whatever is coming to them"
like the decades of horrible shit that happened to them suddenly never happened
 

R0b1n

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I'm sorry but Doom can go fuck himself with that talk.
And I'm surprised that people actually agree with him like
"fuck mutants, they got uppity now they deserve whatever is coming to them"
like the decades of horrible shit that happened to them suddenly never happened
I haven't read it (since it's a mini, I'm only getting it when it's finished), but Doom's big talks are usually him self-projecting all over the place that can also maybe apply to the one he's talking down to, so I assume this time it's something similar
 

bluexy

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I'm sorry but Doom can go fuck himself with that talk.
And I'm surprised that people actually agree with him like
"fuck mutants, they got uppity now they deserve whatever is coming to them"
like the decades of horrible shit that happened to them suddenly never happened
it does say a lot, but it's also very doom, that he'd reject something that'd make all of his people's lives better over what's really a matter of pride
 

Vic_Viper

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Happy to see Marvel is for sure offering the Scottie Young Variant cover on the New Warriors omni.

Looks like the Venom OHC Vol. 2 skips all the Absolute Carnage issues, and picks up directly after. So if your collecting these OHCs you should grab the Absolute Carnage omni as well I guess. Something to consider.

EDIT: Damn, the Thunderbolts omni wont be out until middle of January.
 

Book One

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using our social distancing time to catch up on some comics. been out of the loop a bit for a while.

Read Last Knight on Earth. I love a good post apocalyptic superhero setting, so I dug a lot of stuff in it, like the GL/Mogo angle. But I really had a hard time getting past

how Luthor turned the world against superheroes and got Superman killed. Or that calculating, logical Batman would open the doors.

I read it twice, and enjoyed it more the second time once I got past it, but it takes the whole thing down a bit for me.

Sometimes Snyder's out there ideas don't quite take hold as well as, say, Morrison's out there ideas.
 
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I have begun the process of social distancing myself from comic books. We must all be safe in this time.
 

ViewtifulJC

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Just stopping by to say HOLY FUCK IMMORTAL HULK

There's like six pages that actually made me go "yo what the fuck!?!?". I read six other comics and I don't get one of those.

seminal run of comics rn tbh
 

R0b1n

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I'm warming up to the art on Hellblazer, I felt it's more fitting for this issue that the previous one. Some pretty big relevations is this issue too
Clarice being alive: Good, she has always been my favourite supporting cast of his
Map being dead: Fuck, this stung more than I thought it would

This book remains great at balancing humour and the expected Hellblazer stuff. I'm glad tommy is staying
 
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