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Freezasaurus

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The only issue I had with the art was Ward kept making Black Bolt's face look like Quitely's Cassandra Nova.
Holy shit, what an insult.

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BKatastrophe

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Chuck Dixon wrote a 4-issue Huntress solo in 1994. It has Mike Netzer on art with Pat Garrahy on colors.

It's not good

I'm gonna read Gotham City Sirens next
 

BKatastrophe

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What would you say was missing?
Well, it's mainly because of the trailers and less because of the movie, but there's a scene in the trailers where Anna grabs a sword from Kristoff and turns around to face something. I think that got replaced by her grabbing a sword from one of the frozen soldiers to face the wind spirit. There's also the line from the trailer's where Pabi tells Anna that, just to sum it up, Elsa could lose herself to magic because it has such a powerful allure. It's extra motivation for Anna, but not like she really needs it.

The main one is Kristoff. He's just kind of there, and then not there for the movie. Yes he has his fun little 80's power ballad, but then he doesn't do anything. It bothered me because honestly, what is there for him to do? He just doesn't feel like he really needs to be there. It's Anna and Elsa's story and everyone else is along for the ride. Olaf was fine, too. Just Kristoff.
 

Bane

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It's mostly a lesbian romcom, which gets hot and heavy at times, but it's still mostly just romcom.
Cool, I like romcoms. I'll check it out then. It was just very easy to think a comic about a lesbian BDSM relationship written by a guy was not much more than light porn.

Thanks for the info.
 

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Is it just a bunch of male fantasy cheesecake or is there something of substance to it?
It's a story about lesbians, written by a man, but I can say as a lesbian who is sensitive to the fetishization of my sexuality, that the lesbian characters at the center of the story are written as actual people. The book is good about representing a destigmatized view of BDSM culture and healthy sexuality.

I don't actually love the book myself, but not because anything about it is objectionable. Sejic is on the up and up, at least as far as his work is concerned (I know nothing about him personally).
 

ElNarez

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let's cut through the gristle of gimmicks, relaunches and stunts, it's

THIS MONTH IN REGULAR-ASS COMIC SALES (for february)

1. X-Men #6 ($3.99) - 92,287
2. X-Men #7 ($4.99) - 76,691
3. Batman #88 ($3.99/$4.99) - 74,423 (56,992 + 17,431)
4. Batman #89 ($3.99/$4.99) - 73,390 (56,409 + 16,981)
5. Amazing Spider-Man #39 ($3.99) - 60,302
6. Batman: Curse of the White Knight #7 ($4.99) - 54,255
7. Amazing Spider-Man #40 ($3.99) - 54,210
8. Guardians of the Galaxy #2 ($3.99) - 50,934
9. Immortal Hulk #31 ($3.99) - 49,545
10. Venom #23 ($3.99) - 48,894

of note:
-if someone has a take on why come X-Men is always all over the goddamn place, I'd be willing to read it; it'd be one thing if the price point of #7 pushed some away, but #6 sold 11,844 more copies than #5, which itself sold 12,899 less copies than #4, it seems to be every other issues doing 90k and I cannot explain it
-most of the variance in the Batman numbers comes from the card stock variants, if you just look at the regular price point, the last three issues charted are at 56k or thereabouts, which is remarkably steady (#86 being a soft relaunch means I don't see it and I don't count it)
-I don't understand the drop between the two issues of ASM, they both had a Gwen variant, my guess is Larraz is way in demand now because of X-Men but that's it?
-yeah Marvel's business picked up mostly on variants huh
 

bluexy

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let's cut through the gristle of gimmicks, relaunches and stunts, it's

THIS MONTH IN REGULAR-ASS COMIC SALES (for february)

1. X-Men #6 ($3.99) - 92,287
2. X-Men #7 ($4.99) - 76,691
3. Batman #88 ($3.99/$4.99) - 74,423 (56,992 + 17,431)
4. Batman #89 ($3.99/$4.99) - 73,390 (56,409 + 16,981)
5. Amazing Spider-Man #39 ($3.99) - 60,302
6. Batman: Curse of the White Knight #7 ($4.99) - 54,255
7. Amazing Spider-Man #40 ($3.99) - 54,210
8. Guardians of the Galaxy #2 ($3.99) - 50,934
9. Immortal Hulk #31 ($3.99) - 49,545
10. Venom #23 ($3.99) - 48,894

of note:
-if someone has a take on why come X-Men is always all over the goddamn place, I'd be willing to read it; it'd be one thing if the price point of #7 pushed some away, but #6 sold 11,844 more copies than #5, which itself sold 12,899 less copies than #4, it seems to be every other issues doing 90k and I cannot explain it
-most of the variance in the Batman numbers comes from the card stock variants, if you just look at the regular price point, the last three issues charted are at 56k or thereabouts, which is remarkably steady (#86 being a soft relaunch means I don't see it and I don't count it)
-I don't understand the drop between the two issues of ASM, they both had a Gwen variant, my guess is Larraz is way in demand now because of X-Men but that's it?
-yeah Marvel's business picked up mostly on variants huh
i think part of it's just release dates. x-men #6 had two more weeks on the market than #7 and comichron's said before that x-men is a highly-reordered series.
 

Canucked

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let's cut through the gristle of gimmicks, relaunches and stunts, it's

THIS MONTH IN REGULAR-ASS COMIC SALES (for february)

1. X-Men #6 ($3.99) - 92,287
2. X-Men #7 ($4.99) - 76,691
3. Batman #88 ($3.99/$4.99) - 74,423 (56,992 + 17,431)
4. Batman #89 ($3.99/$4.99) - 73,390 (56,409 + 16,981)
5. Amazing Spider-Man #39 ($3.99) - 60,302
6. Batman: Curse of the White Knight #7 ($4.99) - 54,255
7. Amazing Spider-Man #40 ($3.99) - 54,210
8. Guardians of the Galaxy #2 ($3.99) - 50,934
9. Immortal Hulk #31 ($3.99) - 49,545
10. Venom #23 ($3.99) - 48,894

of note:
-if someone has a take on why come X-Men is always all over the goddamn place, I'd be willing to read it; it'd be one thing if the price point of #7 pushed some away, but #6 sold 11,844 more copies than #5, which itself sold 12,899 less copies than #4, it seems to be every other issues doing 90k and I cannot explain it
-most of the variance in the Batman numbers comes from the card stock variants, if you just look at the regular price point, the last three issues charted are at 56k or thereabouts, which is remarkably steady (#86 being a soft relaunch means I don't see it and I don't count it)
-I don't understand the drop between the two issues of ASM, they both had a Gwen variant, my guess is Larraz is way in demand now because of X-Men but that's it?
-yeah Marvel's business picked up mostly on variants huh

Could be stores having to order more for certain variants. There are been a few that require sales and stores probably bought more than others.
 

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I bet you've explained why before, but I don't think I'm aware.
It's mostly aesthetic. I don't like the sketchy look of the non-painted pages, and I strongly dislike the designs of almost all the BDSM gear and even the characters' normal fashion/clothing.

I also wish it was more sexually explicit. It's already a completely adults-only thing that no one is ever going to touch if they aren't okay with strong sexual content, so I don't see the value in holding anything back. I guess my feeling is that it's gone too far to not go the rest of the way. If it was less explicit than it already is, I might not feel so strongly that it needed to go further.
 

Aurica

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It's mostly aesthetic. I don't like the sketchy look of the non-painted pages, and I strongly dislike the designs of almost all the BDSM gear and even the characters' normal fashion/clothing.

I also wish it was more sexually explicit. It's already a completely adults-only thing that no one is ever going to touch if they aren't okay with strong sexual content, so I don't see the value in holding anything back. I guess my feeling is that it's gone too far to not go the rest of the way. If it was less explicit than it already is, I might not feel so strongly that it needed to go further.
Interesting. I totally get not being into the aesthetic. For me, I felt motivated to read the book because I loved the character interactions, so I didn't mind so much that it wasn't super explicit.
 

GringoSuave89

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Oct 26, 2017
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Well, it's mainly because of the trailers and less because of the movie, but there's a scene in the trailers where Anna grabs a sword from Kristoff and turns around to face something. I think that got replaced by her grabbing a sword from one of the frozen soldiers to face the wind spirit. There's also the line from the trailer's where Pabi tells Anna that, just to sum it up, Elsa could lose herself to magic because it has such a powerful allure. It's extra motivation for Anna, but not like she really needs it.

The main one is Kristoff. He's just kind of there, and then not there for the movie. Yes he has his fun little 80's power ballad, but then he doesn't do anything. It bothered me because honestly, what is there for him to do? He just doesn't feel like he really needs to be there. It's Anna and Elsa's story and everyone else is along for the ride. Olaf was fine, too. Just Kristoff.

Frozen 2 spoilers
Yeah its clear they changed up quite a bit from the trailersrto the finished picture. Wasn't too distracting cause most of the trailers in the beginning were mood pieces more than anything.

Kristoff was definitely just removed from the gameboard 3/4 of the movie. His moments were cute.
 

Vic_Viper

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Started re-reading Waid/Samnee's Black Widow! Its so good. The art alone is enough to put it high on my list of favs. Samnee does such a great job with action and dynamic scenes.

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Do I wish it was longer, hell yea. But at the same time, it still delivers a great self contained story in 12 issues.

Them Wolverine numbers woooooweeeeee.
Yea thats nuts, especially for a book at that price. But totally deserved to sell that well imo. I bet it could have hit 250K if Marvel had pushed it even harder.
 

Bane

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It's a story about lesbians, written by a man, but I can say as a lesbian who is sensitive to the fetishization of my sexuality, that the lesbian characters at the center of the story are written as actual people. The book is good about representing a destigmatized view of BDSM culture and healthy sexuality.

I don't actually love the book myself, but not because anything about it is objectionable. Sejic is on the up and up, at least as far as his work is concerned (I know nothing about him personally).
I really appreciate you giving your thoughts on it, thank you. I'm completely fine with its subject matter, and it's fantastic to know it doesn't fall into the tropes I feared it might. I look forward to checking it out even more now.
 

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I also wish it was more sexually explicit. It's already a completely adults-only thing that no one is ever going to touch if they aren't okay with strong sexual content, so I don't see the value in holding anything back. I guess my feeling is that it's gone too far to not go the rest of the way. If it was less explicit than it already is, I might not feel so strongly that it needed to go further.

I always find this complaint disrespectful tbh

maybe sejic made exactly what he wanted to make and that should be enough for anyone, whether they enjoy his work or not

let creators cook! trust me there's enough pervy stuff out there as it is
 

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I always find this complaint disrespectful tbh

maybe sejic made exactly what he wanted to make and that should be enough for anyone, whether they enjoy his work or not

let creators cook!
I didn't say he should have made it differently to suit me, I was explaining why it didn't work for me. Which I don't even like bringing up out of nowhere, and only commented on again because I was directly asked!
 

Aurica

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I always find this complaint disrespectful tbh

maybe sejic made exactly what he wanted to make and that should be enough for anyone, whether they enjoy his work or not

let creators cook! trust me there's enough pervy stuff out there as it is
I think it's as fair as any subjective preference with entertainment. "I wish it did _____" seems normal.
 
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I always find this complaint disrespectful tbh

maybe sejic made exactly what he wanted to make and that should be enough for anyone, whether they enjoy his work or not

let creators cook! trust me there's enough pervy stuff out there as it is

He did. He intentionally doesn't show nudity or full sex at times. He finds that part boring and thinks he can convey the same without showing it.
 

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People have preferences and tastes. If you didn't, you wouldn't buy specific comics, you'd just grab a random handful each week without looking, or just buy the cheapest ones or something.

Like, it's kind of condescending to say to me that the creator made his comic the way he wanted to, like I'm not aware of that.
 

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I love Sejic's art. Just not a fan of the sex comics he does lol. But I dont like those types of stories in general for the most part.

He does awesome work on his big two books.
 

R0b1n

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Sejic's art is usually only ok to good for me. The only work of his I found really good was aquaman with the water effects
 

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I once met sejic in an alleyway fleeing the shadow council and he told me his next big thing is a knull crossover
 

ElNarez

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how does sejic find the time to do all these things and also come up with slightly too long overexplanatory dialogue in Sunstone that's so clumsy as to take you out of a story that by all means should work on the strength of the art alone
 
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