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COMICS!!! |OT| August 2020 | I mean, I'll read it... but I'm gonna complain about it!
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He's been even longer. He used to write and draw comics for the British market in the late 70s.
I feel like if you have the right mixture of open mind and good energy and old and cranky you'll age really well
Grant is an example of that
Grant is an example of that
I don't understand why people say Moore has always been cranky. He hasn't and he isn't. He's quite pleasant. He's only rightfully annoyed at the comics industry and how it has treated their creators since its inception.
In a related note here is a young affable Moore talking about Swamp Thing
Saga of the Swamp Thing was a really progressive comic.
In a related note here is a young affable Moore talking about Swamp Thing
Saga of the Swamp Thing was a really progressive comic.
It is interesting though, big 2 comics being a work for hire medium and the creators not owning the characters. (Now I understand in the Watchmen case, how that ownership is being maintained itself is a huge point of discussion.)
If Bill Watterson complains and is 'cranky' about others using Calvin or Hobbes in a different way, it is definitely understandable.
But can Moore really have that expectation of Constantine or Mogo?
If Bill Watterson complains and is 'cranky' about others using Calvin or Hobbes in a different way, it is definitely understandable.
But can Moore really have that expectation of Constantine or Mogo?
Well yeah considering he's flat out banned anything C&H that isn't the original strip lol
I do think they get them on high profile books and someone else happens and they put them on other high books, look what happened to Yu and Schiti. It's a game of musical chairs.
Oh my bad, I thought you were joking. Well, that makes sense. Wonder what his novel will be like lol.
Moore doesn't really care about owning his own characters. He says his fellow artists can get whatever profits from movies, etc. or use his characters however they want. He cares about other creators and how they've been abused and swindled throughout comic history. He devotes the first page to each LoEG Tempest issue to these 'cheated champions of your childhood.'
Moore has always been a real one.
Moore has always been a real one.
Comic artists are expected to be alot more detailed nowadays and I think that plays a factor into making the already tough grind even harder
speaking of consistent art
I like how they just gave up on getting a rotating artist team on ASM once Ramos left. The Big Time era was double shipping, no? And it consistently rotated between Ramos, Camuncoli, and I think someone else? We've gotten 90+ issues of Batman and it's felt at least stylistically consistent, minus the Janin issues with horrible coloring.
I mean yeesh
43 - Ottley
44 - Jacinto and Oliviera
45 - Bagley
46 - Fereira
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48 - Bagley
49/850 - Ottley/Bagley/Ramos
50 - Gleason
I like how they just gave up on getting a rotating artist team on ASM once Ramos left. The Big Time era was double shipping, no? And it consistently rotated between Ramos, Camuncoli, and I think someone else? We've gotten 90+ issues of Batman and it's felt at least stylistically consistent, minus the Janin issues with horrible coloring.
I mean yeesh
43 - Ottley
44 - Jacinto and Oliviera
45 - Bagley
46 - Fereira
47 - Fereira
48 - Bagley
49/850 - Ottley/Bagley/Ramos
50 - Gleason
In his old interviews he used joke around a lot about comics and clearly having fun. The problem is he got fucked over, sees the effect his comics had on the medium he loved, and now projects those feelings onto the medium and idea of superheroes and the creators themsleves instead of the companies.
They are still riding Moore's coat-tails decades later. Hell, the first solicitation in Messi's beautiful opening preview post is:
Lol
Lol
He still likes the idea of an optimistic superhero - which is why he created Tom Strong.
Dude made a whole anti-dc universe that was to fight the impact his comics had on the industry and corporate overheads in a pulp styling to allow his friends to create and do whatever.
He did it under Jim Lee's studio.
Morrison doesn't own that universe anymore.
Dude has been fucked over in incredible ways.
He nowadays says all heroes are child things, and inherently facist and racist. Dude is the man who kept coming to comics in deep love and the industry just wanted a quick fuck and to drain him, and broke up with him, and now Moore is pretending he was never into it in the first place.
Berger in that video! In a fair and ideal world, with her vision and skill to take books to market, she would have been heading one of the big 2 by 2000 or at least 2010. But here we are in 2020 with Akira-san.
Oh yeah. All his anger and resentment is completely understandable. Especially those standalone works.
I was just thinking in general about creating characters in shared universes. See also Liefeld with Deadpool.
Oh yeah. All his anger and resentment is completely understandable. Especially those standalone works.
I was just thinking in general about creating characters in shared universes. See also Liefeld with Deadpool.
I personally think he has a point and an argument can be made, but I see how that opinion can annoy some people. I don't think he has ever retconned his love for comics. He only really regrets The Killing Joke from what I have heard.
I heard him say it before, but forget the interview. The problem with Moore I see is, yeah, he has a point, but when arguing these days he calls those working in the modern superhero field as enablers and also just hates on the comic medium. There are valid points throughout every discussion with them, but he's understandably bitter throughout it that makes him go to extremes I can't fully go there with.
I think it's interesting how creators now say don't write new ones for the big two, play with the toys they give you, and use your own ideas for an original indie book. I get it, but I wish the big two would come up with proper way to give incentive for people to go 100% and properly pay them for the rest of their lives. But it's warner brothers and disney, so fuck that idea I guess.
Is this more Viewtiful Cool News, or he said it for real?
E: ah. From a stream.
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He also didn't have a contract for eight bonus covers, and wasnt doing commissions through social media.
These guys did the comic and went to cons and that's it. Now there's more varied work.
It was a big change from the 60s where artists had to draw many monthlies on time, but there were no cons.
do you have a link to the interview? I love listening to Morrison
I assume the new way is more fruitful monetarily than the old way.
So I guess I can't complain.
the new way also lets artists be more independent businesses instead of chaining then to your label but not giving them the benefits of being staff. They also don't get burned out on one character/book
The Ink and Zoom stuff is nice actually because it's all very fresh takes both narratively and universally since they all take place within their own individual DCUs
I have yet to finish Breaking Glass (I'll do that today or tonight), but I read the first couple chapters and it's very different and lovely.
Hmm also a valid idea.
Any suggestions for interesting 90s stuff?
misogyny in casting culture that disregards age in men but demands youth and beauty above all else for women and the culture around manga and anime that drives those expectations for female characters.
Oh.
I thought they meant the age difference thing. That's fair tho.
I just told the TokuEra folks about it, because it's got a strong Kamen Rider vibe.
I can't imagine what it must of been like reading the clone saga as it came out.
Peter's got a clone. Wait Peter IS the clone! Wait no he isn't, Norman's back lol.
Only it went on for like 3 years.
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