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COMICS!!! |OT| April 2020 | We weren't gonna talk about comics anyway.
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ye. they're free to read on the overwatch website as well: https://playoverwatch.com/en-gb/media/stories
just finished ASM 114 and 115!
found some google doc with the full chronology with all the side books incorporated, this is gonna be one of my stay at home things for the next month+
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HoX/PoX expects a base level of understanding about certain classic X-Men concepts (ones that we totally take for granted), and for people that go in without that understanding, it creates a weird situation where people start anticipating payoffs to things that weren't actually setups. Things come off as a tease for something that will be explored in greater depth later, but that isn't what's actually going on, so there never actually is a follow-up. Those things are just subtle nods to existing concepts that people familiar with comics already know. That level of not even being able to parse what's intended to be a mystery thread to follow, and what is never actually going to go anywhere because it's something you're expected to know, make the basic mechanics of the story unfriendly to someone who is truly a newbie.
Oh look Last of Us 2 delayed until further notice. The video game delays have begun.
And for comics, if someone did want to read HoX/PoX then what would be recommended reading to have some base level understanding of X-Men concepts?
And for comics, if someone did want to read HoX/PoX then what would be recommended reading to have some base level understanding of X-Men concepts?
If I was going to do a full Spidey read-through again I would skip:
Everything between Conway and Stern
Mackie's run
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The post-Superior volume.
The first one because it's boring and like 9 years of comics. The others because they're really awful.
New X-Men by Morrison is probably the best bet for something that isn't like 200 issues long. It has literal mutant genocide and focuses on things like mutant identity iirc.
Everything between Conway and Stern
Mackie's run
OMD
OMIT
The post-Superior volume.
The first one because it's boring and like 9 years of comics. The others because they're really awful.
New X-Men by Morrison is probably the best bet for something that isn't like 200 issues long. It has literal mutant genocide and focuses on things like mutant identity iirc.
New X-Men, Astonishing X-Men. Nothing post AvX.
TLoUII is a tough one. I don't have many games on order and now I may have to get the dreaded Animal Crossing.
I think we're talking about this subject from two different angles. I don't believe X-Men is for everyone, nor do I think Hickman is for everyone. Hell, comics aren't for everyone. I do think that Hickman's X-Men is the best starting point, the most newbie-friendly X-Men series in 20 years. That's with the understanding that maybe there is no 100% newbie-friendly starting point except X-Men #1. But if an acquaintance/someone online asked me how to start following X-Men I'd say try HoX/PoX (and have). And yeah, there's a lot of anecdotal examples of people where it was exactly what they wanted.
If a newbie wanted to know if X-Men was something they'd even have a little interest in, I'd still point them to Whedon's Astonishing. But if, right now, a newbie said they wanted to potentially start following X-Men comics, then yeah starting with HoX/PoX is significantly more likely to result in them sticking with reading X-Men stuff than otherwise and now is the absolute best time to recommend that.
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Now that the dark murder simulator has been delayed everyone can get the 100 hour anime rpg about a guy who's really feeling it.
HoX/PoX is the closest the X-Men have gotten to a true restart point since Morrison. I think what makes it so much harder for HoX/PoX to feel new-reader friendly is that it doesn't really introduce you to base concepts. It reinvents the world around the X-Men. It's so much broader and grander than anything we've seen, that rather than reinvent the X-Men for the world, it also reinvents the world for the X-Men, and as a story in and of itself it doesn't feel like it has a payoff. It doesn't feel great. It's a giant "TO BE CONTINUED?" Because if you decide you like that take on the X-Men, then by all means put more quarters in. If you don't, then drop and walk, but don't feel like you really understand the X-Men as a whole, because you won't. You can't take those concepts established in Hickman's book and flow back into previous X-Men books with a conceptual understanding.
Again, Claremont, Morrison, Whedon, and yes even Bendis are all solid beginner takes on the X-Men. Personally I would recommend Whedon above all of those, but that's my bias showing. Claremont's long and dense and his writing may not take as well with younger readers. Morrison's weird as shit. Bendis' has weak as fuck endings.
But imagine the Mystique issue without at least House of X? I'd be a wee bit confuzzled.
Again, Claremont, Morrison, Whedon, and yes even Bendis are all solid beginner takes on the X-Men. Personally I would recommend Whedon above all of those, but that's my bias showing. Claremont's long and dense and his writing may not take as well with younger readers. Morrison's weird as shit. Bendis' has weak as fuck endings.
True facts are true.
This is imagined baggage, though. You don't need to know anything about Vulcan or the Vault that isn't provided within the book itself. If you know, it makes it more interesting. If you don't then it doesn't matter. Hickman's New Mutants, as you said, isn't too necessary, beyond "HEY WE FOUND A SPACE EGG" and that shit's been resolved kinda.
But imagine the Mystique issue without at least House of X? I'd be a wee bit confuzzled.
Xenoblade? Or are you talking about Persona 5 Royal? Im waiting for P5R to go on sale before buying it again lol. I am looking forward to that P5 Scramle tho!
I actually debating getting either Doom, AC or Sakura Wars after I play FFVII, which is on its way to me now.
I beat the first final boss in DeadCells so maybe I'll be done that in time.
If you like Visual Novels, Sakura Wars might be something you would like. I would check it out first though. Its like a VN with some aciton rpg elements in between.
I am looking forward to getting in on some Overwatch when 2 comes out. Just wonder how long thatll take now tho lol.
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I have a hard time seeing Hickman's X-Men not having the same effect on others as his Avengers did on me. As someone unfamiliar with much of the Marvel U at time the time, I found much of it various levels of confusing - at least the main book. New Avengers was better in that regard. Whereas his FF I immediately fell in love as soon as I saw the Council of Reeds.
But I'm also not really a fan of his approach, it's very unsubtle in how it sets things up for the future. Like "here is a thing I'm introducing now but then ignoring for a year+ when it's a big deal." I want more storytelling like Morrison, like how his JLA ended up combining concepts from most of his various arcs in clever ways. Batman was also like this.
Xenoblade lol
But I'm also not really a fan of his approach, it's very unsubtle in how it sets things up for the future. Like "here is a thing I'm introducing now but then ignoring for a year+ when it's a big deal." I want more storytelling like Morrison, like how his JLA ended up combining concepts from most of his various arcs in clever ways. Batman was also like this.
Xenoblade lol
Probably lol.
Id rather they spent the time and actually made Project Titan a thing damnit. Especially now that they dont have Destiny at Activision.
Im super looking forward to this.
If anyone was really interested in jumping headfirst into X-Men pre HOX/POX, reddit made this fairly comprehensive beginner's guide
It's 5 years old but considering it ends at AvX I struggle to really think of anything afters that's really essential besides knowing that Jean and Charles come back
It's 5 years old but considering it ends at AvX I struggle to really think of anything afters that's really essential besides knowing that Jean and Charles come back
Hopefully this is more just American companies. I havent been super closely following how Japan has been dealing with this, but I think its safe the guess that they are doing a much better job than we are lol.
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I mean various random X-Men, especially the terrible ones, only become relevant when the story makes them so.
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So's Proteus
No one cares about Proteus
Meanwhile Elixir is never going to get put in any good books now. Thanks Hickman
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Image isn't doing that Comics Hub thing
Image Comics Not Part of ComicHub 'Digital-First' Program
With Diamond Comic Distributors shut down, ComicHub is helping get new books to readers, but Image Comics has opted out.
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Image isn't doing that Comics Hub thing
Image Comics Not Part of ComicHub 'Digital-First' Program
With Diamond Comic Distributors shut down, ComicHub is helping get new books to readers, but Image Comics has opted out.
Yeah, I can't see the logistics working out for Image. They are not a standard publisher with work for hire, they can't really make the decision for the various series creators.
I think this is it. At least I hope it is. Not a good development either way.
things are already starting to look up
On my buy list as soon as One More Day Omni gets added
Hope things improve. I hope body horror is your thing cuz that's a hell of a way to cheer up... lol
Just the same bullshit from the same person on another day.
It just might.
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