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Color Splash Three Years Later... (Arlo)

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carlosrox said:
I feel like I'm in some fucking kind of bizarro world where an obviously great game is considered a bad one.

This game jumps out immediately as being as good as something like Luigi's Mansion 3. Are people gonna tell me that game sucks next?

I knew when I first played Color Splash that it was an end of gen Wii U game and the quality signaled what was to come from their next console. And I was right.

I'd love a Switch port or a sequel.
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No because Luigi's Mansion 3 is great. Color Splssh is not. Color Splash is exactly the kind of "Quality" Nintendo has avoided with The Switch for the most part. Color Splash was a perfectly fitting game to cap off a horrible system like the Wii U. Which was home to some of Nintendo's most dissapointing games.

I feel like i'm in bizzaro world when defenders of Color Splash claim its great. How can a game so boring to play ever be considered great? It is truly baffling to me. It ranks righ alongside games like Star Fox Zero, Amiibo Festival, Federation Force and Other M. Shallow uninteresting garbage.
 
Treasure Silvergun

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OP's premise is false though, Color Splash is a good game, extremely well-crafted in every single department and possibly the best-written Nintendo game of forever.

To say it's a BAD game is just as objectively wrong as saying Sticker Star was a 1/10 game. Ridicuolous hyperbole from butthurt TTYD fans who just can't move on.
I'd sooner replay Color Splash than any of the two latest Mario & Luigi games, that's a given.
 

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I love when someone tells someone else they're using hyperbole and yet they're using hyperbole themselves lol.
 

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MrBadger said:
The problem there is that at the release of Colour Splash, Mario and Luigi had also taken a nosedive in quality. I liked Dream Team, but my god was it a drag...and then Paper Jam also axed every original character and locale.

Also I do think they're different beasts. While I like M&L, the combat got progressively lengthier as the games went on, with increasingly complex attack animations. TTYD was way more quick and snappy
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I liked Dream Team, but Paper Jam was creatively bankrupt compared to its prequels.

I'm really curious what's next for Paper Mario, I definitely think they're done with the sticker stuff.
 
ClickyCal'

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VDenter said:
No because Luigi's Mansion 3 is great. Color Splssh is not. Color Splash is exactly the kind of "Quality" Nintendo has avoided with The Switch for the most part. Color Splash was a perfectly fitting game to cap off a horrible system like the Wii U. Which was home to some of Nintendo's most dissapointing games.

I feel like i'm in bizzaro world when defenders of Color Splash claim its great. How can a game so boring to play ever be considered great? It is truly baffling to me. It ranks righ alongside games like Star Fox Zero, Amiibo Festival, Federation Force and Other M. Shallow uninteresting garbage.
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Color splash kind of feels like other m to where it got so much backlash that a lot of people want to contrarianly defend it
 
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Thales Targaryen said:
I liked Dream Team, but Paper Jam was creatively bankrupt compared to its prequels.

I'm really curious what's next for Paper Mario, I definitely think they're done with the sticker stuff.
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They said they wanted to experiment with something new.


yuoke said:
Color splash kind of feels like other m to where it got so much backlash that a lot of people want to contrarianly defend it
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Nah, it's rather Tropical Freeze and "Fucking Donkey Kong." (but worse than TF)
 
Wamb0wneD

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The dialogue and visuals are fantastic, everything else is still dogshit though. Give me the old combat and partners back. Give me visually unique and distinct characters or don't bother.
 
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Moist_Owlet said:
Well it is a nintendo game on era receiving criticism it'll get defended regardless of quality.
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You already got dogpiled for being obviously wrong, but I feel like adding that there hasn't been another publisher like Nintendo which released games which utterly broke parts of the community.

The last Paper Mario games, where are my dungeons in Breath of Wild to most recently Sword and Shield, there is a whole bunch of Nintendo games which left people utterly hurt and incaple of understanding that many people still managed to enjoy those games.
 
Stuart Gipp

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Wow, talking about Paper Mario is really unrewarding.

I like Sticker Star and Color Splash better than TTYD (which I also like, and would love to see re-released) because I prefer adventure games to RPGs, and they offer esoteric, exploration-based gameplay that appeals to me greatly.

VDenter said:
I feel like i'm in bizzaro world when defenders of Color Splash claim its great. How can a game so boring to play ever be considered great? It is truly baffling to me. It ranks righ alongside games like Star Fox Zero, Amiibo Festival, Federation Force and Other M. Shallow uninteresting garbage.
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Different people like different things, this is fundamental to meaningful discussion of any topic so you're not just bigging yourself up for liking the correct stuff. I could tell you how I find TTYD extremely shallow and uninteresting in its core gameplay compared to the later, reviled sequels, but all Paper Mario discussion ends up going the same way and it's a waste of time. I suppose the best thing to focus on is how interesting it is that Nintendo enacted such a huge change to one of their more critically acclaimed series.
 
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Glio

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yuoke said:
So if dark souls 4 comes out and is completely different from the first three with most of those elements gone, how will people here react?
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There will be people who will cry but if it is a good game there will be people who will enjoy it. It's what you get when you let the devs experiment and try new ideas.
 
Mugman

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Huge Paper Mario fan and I (mostly) loved it. I've always preferred the original to TTYD, and combat encounters in Color Splash reminded me more of the 64 game in that they feel more puzzle-y. It also had some of the most memorable and funny setpieces of the series to me.
 
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yuoke said:
I like how criticism is considering "crying" now, lmao.
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You can criticize many things of Color Splash. The simple fact of "It's not like before" however is not a legitimate criticism. If Dark Souls 4 is different but still has the same quality, yes, I think criticizing the fact that it is not as before will be an empty and not constructive criticism.
 
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Despite my misgivings about combat and generic npcs, I really enjoyed my time with Color Splash just because of the adventure elements and beautiful world. Paper Mario, even stripped down like that, is too charming to me.

I also (merely) liked Sticker Star the first time I played it, but I was reeeeeaaaaaaally hungry for a new Paper Mario at the time and a visually nice, portable one impressed me. In retrospect my dissappointment with everything else compared to the beta screenshots still irks me to no end. Color Splash is a significant step up, especially with the paint and EXP system, even if it is still the wrong direction for Paper Mario.
 
ClickyCal'

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It's crazy how passionate some people get about someone just being so disappointed in a series they once loved getting ruined to them.
 
Terraforce

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carlosrox said:
I feel like I'm in some fucking kind of bizarro world where an obviously great game is considered a bad one.

This game jumps out immediately as being as good as something like Luigi's Mansion 3. Are people gonna tell me that game sucks next?

I knew when I first played Color Splash that it was an end of gen Wii U game and the quality signaled what was to come from their next console. And I was right.

I'd love a Switch port or a sequel.
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I mean he and plenty of others made it clear what was wrong with the game. The combat shouldn't even have existed if it would just be braindead outside of bosses. The "reward" for battles wasn't worth engaging enemies rather than just ignoring them entirely. And when you have an RPG without memorable characters or a good combat system, I'm not sure what you're not getting in terms of people's disdain for the game.
 
DecoReturns

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Yuoke, why do you always have so much to say about Color Splash when you always went on about how you've never played it :P
 
Glio

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yuoke said:
No I'm questioning why people get angry at arlo for giving his opinions that they disagree with.
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Because he has made the same video on the same subject more times and people are tired of it because the video does not add anything he has not said before. People are not angry, they are bored.
 
Terraforce

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Glio said:
You can criticize many things of Color Splash. The simple fact of "It's not like before" however is not a legitimate criticism. If Dark Souls 4 is different but still has the same quality, yes, I think criticizing the fact that it is not as before will be an empty and not constructive criticism.
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Being different is the least of Color Splash's issues. I'd argue the differences is the one area it did right.
 

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Arlo's video was him playing the game again to see if his view points on it changed. He came out of it realizing his positive points were more positive and his negative points were more negative. His Color Splash video from years ago really made his channel grow.
 
ClickyCal'

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Glio said:
Because he has made the same video on the same subject more times and people are tired of it because the video does not add anything he has not said before. People are not angry, they are bored.
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This is like the first video has has made on it for I think over a year. Plus it was the subject that originally made him popular. Now people don't like it all of the sudden.
 
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Terraforce said:
Being different is the least of Color Splash's issues. I'd argue the differences is the one area it did right.
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I know, but youke is saying that "People are angry because tit has hanged" and have put a hypothetical example of Dark Souls 4.

yuoke said:
This is like the first video has has made on it for I think over a year. Plus it was the subject that originally made him popular. Now people don't like it all of the sudden.
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Just as you have the right to dislike Color Splash, people have the right to dislike Arlo.
 
ClickyCal'

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It's so weird to see someone get so disliked for just giving honest opinions. Not bullshitting or being antagonistic or trolling...just opinions.
 
Glio

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yuoke said:
It's so weird to see someone get so disliked for just giving honest opinions. Not bullshitting or being antagonistic or trolling...just opinions.
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If you repeat the same opinion over and over again and the arguments you make do not convince someone, it is normal that someone does not like you.
 
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Treasure Silvergun said:
OP's premise is false though, Color Splash is a good game, extremely well-crafted in every single department and possibly the best-written Nintendo game of forever.

To say it's a BAD game is just as objectively wrong as saying Sticker Star was a 1/10 game. Ridicuolous hyperbole from butthurt TTYD fans who just can't move on.
I'd sooner replay Color Splash than any of the two latest Mario & Luigi games, that's a given.
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So an opinion is only OBJECTIVELY false if you disagree.
 
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Dardan Sandiego said:
Yes, I did? Just like probably every other video he made on the subject of Paper Mario. Did you? You'll be shocked to find out that not everyone who watched it will find this video particularly interesting or insightful.
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Not finding it interesting or insightful is fine but to claim there's no reason to make this video because you don't like it is hella rude.
 
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CyberWolfJV said:
I unsubscribed Arlo's channel a while ago (last Direct, actually; he was whinning about of the lack of Metroid Prime trilogy, a port of a Wii compilation, while saying Xenoblade Definitive Edition, a big remaster of a very limited release, wasn't a good closure material lol), but the worst thing I've heard from him saying, was him twisting somehow AlphaDream's bankruptcy into something good for the future of Mario RPGs, therefore his precious Paper Mario would return to form..

So selfish...
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I unsubscribed to Arlo awhile back as well, I was tired of listening to a guy who tries to talk about a wide range of topic but continues to expose himself as being extremely limited in his knowledge and amateur in his takes.

Saying Color Splash had bad gameplay but great comedy isn't a surprise, that's been what everyone said about if for years. It sucks that Mario RPGs are seemingly dead despite the fans clamoring for another game in the style of SMRPG or Paper Mario 1-2.
 
Terraforce

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Dark Cloud said:
What has Color Splash done different that's better?
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imo it was the comedy aspect. PM has always had humor, but CS felt like it wasn't even taking itself seriously and went all out with the references and fourth wall breaking which I found to be hilarious. And the painting/more puzzle focused aspect of the game I actually enjoyed. The combat was the real failing of the game.

CyberWolfJV said:
I unsubscribed Arlo's channel a while ago (last Direct, actually; he was whinning about of the lack of Metroid Prime trilogy, a port of a Wii compilation, while saying Xenoblade Definitive Edition, a big remaster of a very limited release, wasn't a good closure material lol), but the worst thing I've heard from him saying, was him twisting somehow AlphaDream's bankruptcy into something good for the future of Mario RPGs, therefore his precious Paper Mario would return to form..

So selfish...
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I screamed in front of my roommates to XBDE being announced, but are we really going to act like most people would respond the same to a niche JRPG that sold on a console after its death as they would to one of Nintendo's bigger properties? My personal bias aside, his complaint was far from unreasonable.
 
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Glio said:
If you repeat the same opinion over and over again and the arguments you make do not convince someone, it is normal that someone does not like you.
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I just search this channel and the last Color Splash specific video he made before this one was 3 years ago. With the other other ones being a video about hoping that they remaster Thousand Years Door and another hoping that they bring back the old style of Paper Mario based on how well the Switch is doing.

So... yeah your kind of overselling how often he makes video on this stuff. Sounds like your just mad.
 
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Terraforce said:
imo it was the comedy aspect. PM has always had humor, but CS felt like it wasn't even taking itself seriously and went all out with the references and fourth wall breaking which I found to be hilarious. And the painting/more puzzle focused aspect of the game I actually enjoyed. The combat was the real failing of the game.
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That's why its subjective and can't be considered objectively better. I don't like the self referential or 4th wall break humor at all. I want story and character based humor and that's all gone.
Dardan Sandiego said:
Arlo can consider himself lucky that I gave my honest feedback and he doesn't have to wonder why I unsubscribed from his channel a while ago.
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I doubt he knows you unsubscribed.
 
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