Collider: Andrew Garfield and Kirsten Dunst coming back for Spider-Man 3, Sony/Marvel trying to close contract with Tobey

Senator Toadstool · Dec 9, 2020

Xun said:
It won't happen, but I'd certainly love it.

The "Raimi-verse" coexisting with the MCU Spider-Man would be the dream.

It'll be disappointing when this doesn't happen.

I don't think it'd be the ramiverse spider-man but just allowing them a new spider-man (miles?) free from disney this would just allow sony to get the audience used to the idea and not make it weird when theirs two different spider men/spider women

I mean they did explicitly do this with into the spider verse

clay_ghost · Dec 9, 2020

Senator Toadstool said:
I don't think it'd be the ramiverse spider-man but just allowing them a new spider-man (miles?) free from disney this would just allow sony to get the audience used to the idea and not make it weird when theirs two different spider men/spider women

I mean they did explicitly do this with into the spider verse

Amazing SM 3 and SM4 coming to end those story Arcs. Sony can have release a new SM movie every year!

DeltaRed · Dec 9, 2020

I personally hope that it is "our" Tobey and Andrew but alternative reality versions of their villains. To help get a little closure on their stories.

Wayfaerer · Dec 9, 2020

Excited. More for Andrew Garfield than Tobey, though I could get more excited for Tobey if he's the symbiote version, but obviously he won't be.

Xun · Dec 9, 2020

I could be wrong, but I think we'll likely get the "full reveal" tomorrow at the Disney event.

It also wouldn't surprise me if we see an agreement to have the Sony films on Disney+.

Senator Toadstool said:
I don't think it'd be the ramiverse spider-man but just allowing them a new spider-man (miles?) free from disney this would just allow sony to get the audience used to the idea and not make it weird when theirs two different spider men/spider women

I mean they did explicitly do this with into the spider verse

That could work.

Speaking of which, a dream would be to see Peter B Parker played by Jake Johnson in such a universe.

We're so used to seeing a younger Pete that an older one would be refreshing to see as an alternative to Peter in the MCU films.

DeltaRed said:
I personally hope that it is "our" Tobey and Andrew but alternative reality versions of their villains. To help get a little closure on their stories.

I was thinking this as well.

That way they could change things as they please, for example the horrible design of Electro from ASM2.

LinkStrikesBack · Dec 9, 2020

Xun said:
That could work.

Speaking of which, a dream would be to see Peter B Parker played by Jake Johnson in such a universe.

We're so used to seeing a younger Pete that an older one would be refreshing to see as an alternative to Peter in the MCU films.

Tobey is nearly 20 years older now than when he started to play spider man, surely if they're doing this, they basically have to let him be the old mentor spiderman?

Xun · Dec 9, 2020

LinkStrikesBack said:
Tobey is nearly 20 years older now than when he started to play spider man, surely if they're doing this, they basically have to let him be the old mentor spiderman?

I mentioned the Raimi-verse initially being the ideal scenario, but if that can't work for whatever reason an alternative would be Jake Johnson.

I loved his portrayal of Spidey in Into the Spider-Verse.

KtotheRoc · Dec 9, 2020

LinkStrikesBack said:
Tobey is nearly 20 years older now than when he started to play spider man, surely if they're doing this, they basically have to let him be the old mentor spiderman?

ann3nova. · Dec 9, 2020

Professor Beef said:
Phase 4 being a multiverse fest until they can figure out a greater-scope villain would be dope

Maybe the villain would be the person causing the multiverse issues... :D

CaptainKashup · Dec 9, 2020

By the way, I know it's a bit late but..
Is Collider a reliable source at least ?

Sento · Dec 9, 2020

Clefargle · Dec 9, 2020

DeltaRed said:
I personally hope that it is "our" Tobey and Andrew but alternative reality versions of their villains. To help get a little closure on their stories.

How else would they bring back Doc Ock? Didn't he die at the end of Spidey 2?

Patitoloco · Dec 9, 2020

CaptainKashup said:
By the way, I know it's a bit late but..
Is Collider a reliable source at least ?

It is very reliable, specially Jeff Sneider who signs the article.

Clefargle said:
How else would they bring back Doc Ock? Didn't he die at the end of Spidey 2?

Yep! Unless he didn't.....

But I'm guessing more alternative versions of the same characters, by the same actors.

DeltaRed · Dec 9, 2020

Clefargle said:
How else would they bring back Doc Ock? Didn't he die at the end of Spidey 2?

Yes I'm expecting alternate reality villains but I mean I don't want alternate reality Tobey or Andrew, I want the ones from their actual movies.

Clefargle · Dec 9, 2020

DeltaRed said:
Yes I'm expecting alternate reality villains but I mean I don't want alternate reality Tobey or Andrew, I want the ones from their actual movies.

I get it, but wouldn't any Spider-Man besides Tom Holland be from an "alternative reality" relative to the MCU?

Ryuelli · Dec 9, 2020

Pachimari said:
Emma Stone is the one I'm waiting for and is excited about. Get her back as either Andrew's love interest again, or even better as Spider-Gwen.

Also Andrew Garfield is the best Peter Parker and Spider-Man. I grew up on Tobey but Andrew is it.

Ryuelli · Dec 9, 2020

Clefargle said:
I get it, but wouldn't any Spider-Man besides Tom Holland be from an "alternative reality" relative to the MCU?

Yes, but he's saying he wants our Toby or Andrew (as in, the ones we watched in the movies), but doesn't necessarily want the villains to be the exact same ones we watched in Raimi's trilogy or The Amazing Spiderman 1/2, he wants them to be from alternate realities not only relative to the MCU, but to Raimi's trilogy and TAS too.

Sargerus · Dec 9, 2020

OMG the mad lads are actually doing it.

BossAttack · Dec 9, 2020

NekoNeko said:
IM3 lowkey the best MCU movie.

My man.

Keym · Dec 9, 2020

So, Tobey is 100% getting a scene with MCU's JJ, right?

Clefargle · Dec 9, 2020

Ryuelli said:
Yes, but he's saying he wants our Toby or Andrew (as in, the ones we watched in the movies), but doesn't necessarily want the villains to be the exact same ones we watched in Raimi's trilogy or The Amazing Spiderman 1/2, he wants them to be from alternate realities not only relative to the MCU, but to Raimi's trilogy and TAS too.

So then a grand total of at least 5 universes? MCU main, Raimiverse main, Raimiverse alt, Amazing Universe main, and Amazing Universe alt?

KtotheRoc · Dec 9, 2020

Clefargle said:
So then a grand total of at least 5 universes? MCU main, Raimiverse main, Raimiverse alt, Amazing Universe main, and Amazing Universe alt?

Also potentially Spider-Gwen's (although that one is up in the air and could also potentially be an alt of Amazing Universe).

King Kingo · Dec 9, 2020

DeltaRed said:
Yes I'm expecting alternate reality villains but I mean I don't want alternate reality Tobey or Andrew, I want the ones from their actual movies.

According to MCU time travel logic, you wouldn't be able to get the definitive versions of Tobey or Andrew anyway because their timelines are already complete.

theBmZ · Dec 9, 2020

Highly unlikely with Into the Spider-verse already existing, but what if Tobey-verse is how they introduce live action Miles Morales? Tobey being the mentor.

The Bookerman · Dec 9, 2020

Keym said:
So, Tobey is 100% getting a scene with MCU's JJ, right?

**Just looking for an excuse for posting this amazing gif.

KtotheRoc · Dec 9, 2020

theBmZ said:
Highly unlikely with Into the Spider-verse already existing, but what if Tobey-verse is how they introduce live action Miles Morales? Tobey being the mentor.

There's already a Miles Morales within the MCU. (Donald Glover played his Uncle Aaron in Homecoming.)

The Namekian · Dec 9, 2020

theBmZ said:
Highly unlikely with Into the Spider-verse already existing, but what if Tobey-verse is how they introduce live action Miles Morales? Tobey being the mentor.

Yeah I would be surprised if they don't introduce Myles.

UnderSiege · Dec 9, 2020

Alpha Baymax said:
According to MCU time travel logic, you wouldn't be able to get the definitive versions of Tobey or Andrew anyway because their timelines are already complete.

Anything can happen after what we've seen in their movies. You could get to those timelines with MCU rules if you want to.

RLCC14 · Dec 9, 2020

I hope we get a scene of either Spideys flirting with MCU Aunt May without knowing it's actually May.

CaptainKashup · Dec 9, 2020

After digging a bit, I found out that a FOURTH Spider-Man movie is already in development.

So my guess is : This is a two-parter. It has to be.

First part start with focusing on Holland, then multiverse shenanigans happens. Garfield and Kirsten Dunst MJ get sent here, aswell as baddies from both world. Since Tobey is still in negotiations, I fully except him to appear at the end and then be a bigger focus in the second part.

Since Disney is supposedly revealing futures movies tomorrow, they could announce there that it's a two-parter.

Shopolic · Dec 9, 2020

OmniStrife said:
I believe!

Really love this!
Danny Elfman is the music god of superhero movies:

rafox · Dec 9, 2020

Squarehard said:

Unironically love this scene.

donkey · Dec 9, 2020

So Topher Grace's and Tom Hardy's Venoms meeting is possible...? 👀

rafox · Dec 9, 2020

Fj0823 said:
Do you even comics?

After the cliffhanger Peter goes to Strange and asks for help erasing the world's memory of his identity.

Strange agrees under the condition he helps him deal with the Multiverse of Madness Wanda created.

The adventure has Spidey meet multiple versions of himself and he learns of their struggles. Movie ends on a big battle between the Spider-Men and their villains.

In the end, Peter declines the restore his secret identity, after his encounter with his alternate versions change his perspective.

That's what I mean, this is the already tired "Surely Marvel won't pull it off THIS TIME!"
* Marvel pulls it off
Repeat

That's the first time this movie made sense in my head, thanks!
Anyway, Peter had two of the most compelling character arcs of the MCU is his movies, I'm not really concerned about it.

CaptainKashup · Dec 9, 2020

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Of course, it's possible that it died since.

Fj0823 · Dec 9, 2020

rafox said:
That's the first time this movie made sense in my head, thanks!
Anyway, Peter had two of the most compelling character arcs of the MCU is his movies, I'm not really concerned about it.

At this point I expect the movie to end with "The truth is...I am Spider-Man"

Bufbaf · Dec 9, 2020

Already said so in another thread: Watch Maguire being "superior spider-man", MCU version, being the bad guy with a "i was a hero deep inside" dying moment in the end. I'm like 99% sure. Also, he's probably the one trying to get together a multiverse sinister six.

WhySoDevious · Dec 9, 2020

Fj0823 said:
Do you even comics?

After the cliffhanger Peter goes to Strange and asks for help erasing the world's memory of his identity.

Strange agrees under the condition he helps him deal with the Multiverse of Madness Wanda created.

The adventure has Spidey meet multiple versions of himself and he learns of their struggles. Movie ends on a big battle between the Spider-Men and their villains.

In the end, Peter declines the restore his secret identity, after his encounter with his alternate versions change his perspective.

That's what I mean, this is the already tired "Surely Marvel won't pull it off THIS TIME!"
* Marvel pulls it off
Repeat

So you think it's Wanda that starts off the Multiverse mess?

And maybe it causes a big bad to take notice of them? Maybe Kang? (He's supposedly in Ant-Man)

KtotheRoc · Dec 9, 2020

Bufbaf said:
Already said so in another thread: Watch Maguire being "superior spider-man", MCU version, being the bad guy with a "i was a hero deep inside" dying moment in the end. I'm like 99% sure. Also, he's probably the one trying to get together a multiverse sinister six.

Seems more like a direction for Garfield's Peter than Maguire's.

PlanetSmasher · Dec 9, 2020

LinkStrikesBack said:
Tobey is nearly 20 years older now than when he started to play spider man, surely if they're doing this, they basically have to let him be the old mentor spiderman?

Why does Tom's Spider-Man need another mentor?

Like, can't we just let Tom's Spider-Man be a solo hero without being tethered to Tony or another Peter Parker from another dimension?

KtotheRoc · Dec 9, 2020

PlanetSmasher said:
Why does Tom's Spider-Man need another mentor?

Like, can't we just let Tom's Spider-Man be a solo hero without being tethered to Tony or another Peter Parker from another dimension?

Sony wants to capitalize on the MCU, which means Peter teaming up with (insert MCU character here).

Bufbaf · Dec 9, 2020

KtotheRoc said:
Seems more like a direction for Garfield's Peter than Maguire's.

Maybe. I feel like Maguire-Man already had SO much thrown at him, fucked up too many times, had a taste of villainhood and is just, like, the type for it though :D Garfield-Man to me seems more like a grown-up Ultimate type than a Superior type.

Man, I hope this will get some cool cameos by other Spider-men as well. And, of course, a Miles stinger at the end introducing his own movie.

Edge · Dec 9, 2020

PlanetSmasher said:
Why does Tom's Spider-Man need another mentor?

Like, can't we just let Tom's Spider-Man be a solo hero without being tethered to Tony or another Peter Parker from another dimension?

In the last movie, the second he had the chance he gave away the most powerful item on the planet and also got his identity revealed in the end.
So no, he's clearly not ready to be without mentor.

PlanetSmasher · Dec 9, 2020

Edge said:
In the last movie, the second he had the chance he gave away the most powerful item on the planet and also got his identity revealed in the end.
So no, he's clearly not ready to be without mentor.

People make mistakes. That's called characterization. We don't need some other Spider-Man from another dimension to tell him how to be Spider-Man.

Ouroboros · Dec 9, 2020

LinkStrikesBack said:
Tobey is nearly 20 years older now than when he started to play spider man, surely if they're doing this, they basically have to let him be the old mentor spiderman?

Disney/Marvel may use that "make them young" technology to make him look like he did in the original trilogy.

LinkStrikesBack · Dec 9, 2020

PlanetSmasher said:
Why does Tom's Spider-Man need another mentor?

Like, can't we just let Tom's Spider-Man be a solo hero without being tethered to Tony or another Peter Parker from another dimension?

Because none of the MCU films are really solo films other than maybe the first in a characters series, and there are already five existing solo Spiderman films. They don't need nor evidently want to continue to explore that direction.

Blader · Dec 9, 2020

CaptainKashup said:
Of course, it's possible that it died since.

That came out during the Sony/Marvel negotiations breakdown: that Sony was planning to develop at least two more solo films with Holland, which Marvel's deal didn't cover (it now covers the third).

PlanetSmasher · Dec 9, 2020

LinkStrikesBack said:
Because none of the MCU films are really solo films other than maybe the first in a characters series, and there are already five existing solo Spiderman films. They don't need nor evidently want to continue to explore that direction.

Then they shouldn't have re-signed the deal. It's an insult to Tom that he doesn't get ONE MOVIE where he isn't overshadowed by someone else.

luca · Dec 9, 2020

Xun said:
I could be wrong, but I think we'll likely get the "full reveal" tomorrow at the Disney event.

It also wouldn't surprise me if we see an agreement to have the Sony films on Disney+.

CaptainKashup said:
After digging a bit, I found out that a FOURTH Spider-Man movie is already in development.

So my guess is : This is a two-parter. It has to be.

First part start with focusing on Holland, then multiverse shenanigans happens. Garfield and Kirsten Dunst MJ get sent here, aswell as baddies from both world. Since Tobey is still in negotiations, I fully except him to appear at the end and then be a bigger focus in the second part.

Since Disney is supposedly revealing futures movies tomorrow, they could announce there that it's a two-parter.

Just because Tobey haven't joined yet doesn't mean he is going to appear at the end of the movie. That's not how it works. They've been filming for a few weeks and will shoot for the next 3-4 months. Tobey could have plenty of time. Also these reports about castings usually gets out long after they're signed on to projects.

Also Disney won't talk about Sony movies at their investor meeting. It's 99%you won't hear anything about Spider-Man 3 tomorrow. Reveal is gonna come later in the month though.

RROCKMAN · Dec 9, 2020

PlanetSmasher said:
Why does Tom's Spider-Man need another mentor?

Like, can't we just let Tom's Spider-Man be a solo hero without being tethered to Tony or another Peter Parker from another dimension?

Because they already missed by tethering him to Tony Stark in the first place.

The solo hero should have been the goal from the jump and its just one more reason why Tom's Spiderman is weak ass sauce compared to the other two, especially Tobey's Spiderman

Collider: Andrew Garfield and Kirsten Dunst coming back for Spider-Man 3, Sony/Marvel trying to close contract with Tobey

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