Sorry I'm confused, do you mean I don't need to watch the original or don't have to watch anything after the original?
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Cobra Kai is a 10/10 and better than it has any right to be (LTTP Karate Kid sequel show)
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Sorry I'm confused, do you mean I don't need to watch the original or don't have to watch anything after the original?
Me and my partner started watching this. We are on episode 5 season 1. Karate kid was my favourite movie growing up and this series, damn does it deliver! Love it!
You don't have to watch anything after the original. I watched Karate Kid 2 last night for the first time in decades and the only thing I remember being in Cobra Kai is from the first 10 minutes (and they include the clip in Cobra Kai). Johnny isn't even in Karate Kid 3 (though it's about Kreese)
You don't really even need to watch the original but you will miss some subtle jokes if you aren't at least familiar with the highlights. Everything else is given flashbacks
Slow build? This series is the fastest I've seen in quite some time. It's part of why I like it, shit happens fast. That and the pure comedy of it. I hope they don't fuck with formula for season 3.
Ah sorry I misread your question.
You don't have to watch any of the movies to enjoy this series, but you SHOULD watch the original just because it's a good movie and a classic :)
I just want to say thanks to this thread. It brought the show to my attention and I am now half way through S1 and loving it.
The humor is great and subtle, the story seems nice and subversive and I cannot wait to see where this goes.
The humor is great and subtle, the story seems nice and subversive and I cannot wait to see where this goes.
I had, but I've always kinda ignored it.... Didn't think it was for me without knowing anything about it beside it being related to Karate Kid.
Didn't help that YouTube is annoying af and no I don't want to sign up to YTTV, no matter how often you ask me.
Ah. Yeah, I ended up watching the first couple episodes (they were free) and then I got YouTube premium specifically for this show. No regrets. Haha.
Truthfully though, now that I have YouTube premium there's no way I can go back to a YouTube with ads. I've gotten too used to not having them interrupt things.
I don't know if Daniel is an asshole but he certainly is hot-headed and flies off the handle without giving people a chance to respond or explain. Very much the same as he was as a teenager in the original KK movie.
And what I'm about to say about Johnny isn't going to go over well on this forum, but Johnny has not evolved much past high school. He's still stuck in the 80s. It's only now, finding a purpose with Cobra Kai, has he started to grow as a person. The way he talks to people, especially to Poc, can certainly be perceived as racist, by today's standards. The 1980s people were not examining racism with the microscope that it is today. How Johnny talks is quite frankly, how a lot of people talked in the 1980s. I find that he's actually maybe even a little restrained. Subsequent decades after the 80s we've taken a much closer look at what racism is and how it affects the world around us.
I honestly think Daniel had the most racist scene in the series so far, judging by today's standards and it was the scene in season 1 where he made the Sushi for Kyler. And I know they tried to turn it into a comedy bit, but it was uncomfortable.
And what I'm about to say about Johnny isn't going to go over well on this forum, but Johnny has not evolved much past high school. He's still stuck in the 80s. It's only now, finding a purpose with Cobra Kai, has he started to grow as a person. The way he talks to people, especially to Poc, can certainly be perceived as racist, by today's standards. The 1980s people were not examining racism with the microscope that it is today. How Johnny talks is quite frankly, how a lot of people talked in the 1980s. I find that he's actually maybe even a little restrained. Subsequent decades after the 80s we've taken a much closer look at what racism is and how it affects the world around us.
I honestly think Daniel had the most racist scene in the series so far, judging by today's standards and it was the scene in season 1 where he made the Sushi for Kyler. And I know they tried to turn it into a comedy bit, but it was uncomfortable.
I'm 6 episodes in and damn it is better than I thought it could be. I feel like I can tell where the story threads are going but it's a fun ride.
Agreed. Johnny is stuck in the 80's and his mindset is very much of a typical Alpha male from that era. That's why it's so great to see him learn from his students and change.
And you're right, I don't know how Daniel didn't realize that he shouldn't assume Kyler's parents are immigrants. It's just another thing to show that he's not perfect either.
Watched first season, that was a fun ride for sure. Loved the wavy structure of the episodes, where everything going better to the middle of the episode only for all shit to hit the fan at the end. Wife hated it though, called it "annoyingly disturbing", but I found it amuzing. :)
I hope sofa in the living room is not too hard. :/
My partner and I have been watching this for the first time, still in S1. I'm in agreement with most that it's enjoyable that both Daniel and Johnny and very flawed and the show isn't really painting either one as a definitive protagonist or antagonist.
However, one thing really annoyed me, and that was the whole billboard graffiti plotline in S1. The thing that bothered me was how it was a really, really blatant homophobic "joke" for a whole episode with even the Daniel and his friends playing into the homophobia angle. At least when he or Johnny have been displaying pretty horrible behavior there is another character there being the foil to show their behavior is bad. Like Miguel setting Johnny straight on misogyny or Sam or Amanda pushing back against Daniel.
However, so far as I can recall, there was literally no one in the show pointing out how the insult and even Daniel and his coworkers' reactions to the grafitti was homophobic in and of itself. It was all just played totally (no pun intended) "straight," and that it should be totally natural that a gay BJ insult is something you should be horribly offended by. It was all just related to how it insulted Daniel.
However, one thing really annoyed me, and that was the whole billboard graffiti plotline in S1. The thing that bothered me was how it was a really, really blatant homophobic "joke" for a whole episode with even the Daniel and his friends playing into the homophobia angle. At least when he or Johnny have been displaying pretty horrible behavior there is another character there being the foil to show their behavior is bad. Like Miguel setting Johnny straight on misogyny or Sam or Amanda pushing back against Daniel.
However, so far as I can recall, there was literally no one in the show pointing out how the insult and even Daniel and his coworkers' reactions to the grafitti was homophobic in and of itself. It was all just played totally (no pun intended) "straight," and that it should be totally natural that a gay BJ insult is something you should be horribly offended by. It was all just related to how it insulted Daniel.
I mean, I'd be pissed off someone drew a dick in my mouth, whether I was gay or not. Defacing a guy's billboard isn't cool. And I'm pretty sure Johnny did that before his edges started being softened by Miguel.
But again, they are all children of the 80's and still very much in that mindset. Like, I just watched the first 2 Bill and Ted movies and it was really shocking to me hearing them call eachother or others "fag" as an insult. You're supposed to love those guys and how easy going and happy they are, but the homophobia hits you in the face when you watch those movies today.
I guess maybe they could have wrote Daniel's daughter into a scene to provide the counterpoint you wanted though.
I'm not sure that drawings of dicks are inherently homophobic. It's a penis, near someone's face. Dicks get drawn near women's faces too, and in fact Daniel's daughter is subjected to the same kind of juvenile bullying. I actually thought that was the parallel they were drawing.
I can't agree. I'm around episode 4 and the acting is too ridiculous for me to keep going. The fight scenes are also really bad.
Karate Kid had never really been about the fight scenes though.
Who did you have an issue with acting?
I agree but when they did fight it at least was convincing. The choreography in this is just bad. Larusso comes off like he is over acting every scene he is in. That one dojo reminence scene with him and his daughter was so cheesy and that's the way a lot of this feels put together almost like its written as a sitcom. I'm surprised there isn't a laugh track
I love Johnny though
I have never, and I mean never been a fan of Ralph Macchio's Karate "skills". He's one of the most unnatural looking martial artists I've ever seen. It's my major complaint with the first three movies. As for his acting, I think he was fine in the old movies but agree he's not so great nowadays.
Zabka however, I think pulled it off nicely. Both acting and fighting.
Haha yeah good point. Daniel isn't the reason Karate Kid is a classic for me either. It was all Johnny, Miyagi and put him in a body bag dude
it really hit that stride for me on episodes 5 and 6 I think, I felt almost similarly like this was just slightly too cheesy but it really comes together. I find it now to be the perfect blend of camp and drama.
Yep I was about to bail on it after ep 3, but I'm glad I kept going.
And yeah this show absolutely is a sitcom. That's fine.
Been digging out some Peter Cetera the last couple of days in response to finishing season 2. I have to admit I really didn't expect what I perceived to be an 80's throwback teen soap opera to get me the way this did but I've been obsessed with it for a little bit now. I loved Johnny's growth as a character and found myself consistently rooting for him in spite of himself. Daniel was also great as a generally well-meaning, but imperfect person. The whole thing was just great.
Actually, I can't remember if was the final shot of that episode, or the first shot of the next episode.
That's nothing compared to a fight scene at the end of season 2. :)
Johnny is the star of the show. It's funny as I'm such a huge fan of the original film I could never have imagined I'd want a follow up where I root for Johnny and want him to get back together with Ali but here we are. I hope he picks up some awards, he's hilarious but also shows real depth and character development.
Now the show getting Netflix money I wonder if Hilary Swank's character Julie will make an appearance.
We watched S1E7 last night (the one where he sits down on the kerb and explains to Miguel why he hates LaRusso) and I turned to my wife and said the same thing as this. I genuinely wonder if that's where they got the idea. Nonetheless, I think John is a far more interesting character and I'm glad the show focuses on him. Really enjoying it so far, and I'm glad Netflix picked it up.
So Johnnys a handyman and Daniel's a businessman, any idea what Julie would've become if they bring her back?
Been plowing through this show over the last few days. Love it though I think it's on the back of Johnny and the Cobra Kai students.
I don't know if I'm alone but in season 2 Sam became my least favorite character lol. I swear almost all her problems are self inflicted.
I don't know if I'm alone but in season 2 Sam became my least favorite character lol. I swear almost all her problems are self inflicted.
Probably a guidance counselor or mentor for troubled youth.
I binged season 1 and 2 sooo good will probably rewatch both over x-mas break in anticipation for S3