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Oct 25, 2017
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Are Americans not taught about Eugenics in the US and Nazi Germany and Jim Crow at school or is it reserved for college History majors?
I don't think eugenics was ever mentioned and Jim Crow was covered maybe briefly?

You're made to believe that black people have failed because of their own doing. Slavery ended 150 years ago, it's not our fault they haven't gotten themselves out of poverty. That's what we're taught.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I grew up in Oklahoma and the major atrocities of the US were mostly swept under the rug. Slavery, Jim Crow, Trail Of Tears, etc you name it.


All of it was "yeah this happened and it was like really sad or whatever, but....."

Oklahoma doesn't even really teach about Tusla, and most states completely skip over the several hundred racial riots that happened in the US or if they do mention them in passing they always frame it as if both sides are to blame.
 

GenTask

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Nov 15, 2017
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Are Americans not taught about Eugenics in the US and Nazi Germany and Jim Crow at school or is it reserved for college History majors?

I don't remember that being taught in high school, specifically the states that still had eugenics laws and the Immigration Act of 1924 that inspired Hitler. I only learned that as an adult on my own. I suppose it could depend on a school by school basis for every state, city, etc. They tend to summarize in broad strokes or gloss over topics I think because they want to teach youth that America 'does no wrong'. Jim Crow though I vaguely recall, my long-term memory isn't great :\.

Other topics though I sought information on my own to learn more, like the Vietnam War, learning the horrible truths around that or hearing MLK's speech "Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break the Silence" which inspired me to become increasingly anti-war to this day. And today I'm learning what they meant by continuing to be that way has become a lonely moral stance.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."
 

Halbrand

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Oct 27, 2017
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Please, when you are posting remember that he too has a family, I'm sure he has brothers and uncles
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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I guess he's saying Kim Jong-Uhn isn't just a brutal dictator but also a father, and friend to people? A fellow human being so we shouldn't wish for anything bad to happen to him.

I'm assuming that's what they're getting at. I've seen a lot of people on twitter take up similar positions on Kim Jong-Uhn

I thought it was about his pet hamster, Lt.Gilroy.
 

I am a Bird

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Oct 31, 2017
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Are Americans not taught about Eugenics in the US and Nazi Germany and Jim Crow at school or is it reserved for college History majors?
I was taught about jim crow as a kid from a few teachers but I grew up in GA and some of the teachers did give revisionist history. I learned about our eugenics and treatment if the disabled through other avenues.
 

Rover

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nobody should deny what Jim Crow and eugenics work in the US is about, but come on, let's not humor a unsubstantiated hot take like "Hitler was inspired by the US"
 

Muad'dib

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Jun 7, 2018
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I see the American education system needs an overhaul if you're glossing over such important parts in your history, Naziism is reviled in Germany because of the fact that they teach that shameful part of history at their schools.

Nobody should deny what Jim Crow and eugenics work in the US is about, but come on, let's not humor a unsubstantiated hot take like "Hitler was inspired by the US"

But Nazi Eugenics were partially funded by Americans and were helped by American Eugenics researchers like Harry Laughlin.

Naziism did share a lot with American views regarding white supremacists back in the day, remember that even after the breakout of WW2 the US did not want to intervene and there was a lot of sympathy for the Nazis among the racists, it took Pearl Harbor to change some views.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nobody should deny what Jim Crow and eugenics work in the US is about, but come on, let's not humor a unsubstantiated hot take like "Hitler was inspired by the US"
That's not a hot take. Jim Crow disenfranchisement and our eugenics programs acted as inspiration for and a basis of the Nazis' own measures
 

dabig2

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Oct 29, 2017
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So did reporting just completely fuck up or is something else going on. I keep seeing the thread title but news ain't matching.


Also
https://time.com/4703586/nazis-america-race-law/
European racists took note. Among them was Adolf Hitler. In Mein Kampf, Hitler called America the "one state" making progress toward the creation of the kind of order he wanted for Germany. In 1935, the National Socialist Handbook on Law and Legislation, a basic guide for Nazis as they built their new society, would declare that the United States had achieved the "fundamental recognition" of the need for a race state.

Beyond its laws, the Nazis also admired America's conquest of the West. In 1928, Hitler praised the Americans for having "gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand" in the course of founding their continental empire. And they knew that the United States had emerged as the dominant great power in the world after World War I. To them, racism had made America great. Plenty of Americans seemed to agree.
Of course, there was more to America than its racism. The Nazis despised the United States' otherwise egalitarian and democratic traditions. Many of them believed that race-mixing would eventually doom America to decline. And they found it sad that American law had not yet targeted the race they regarded as the most dangerous of all: the Jews.

Nevertheless, American race law offered the model for anybody who sought to build a racist legal order. And after Hitler became Chancellor of the Reich and the Nazis took power in 1933, Nazi lawyers carefully studied the American example as they crafted the Nuremberg Laws, the most reviled race legislation of the twentieth century. Those laws followed the lead of the United States. They criminalized intermarriage; they relegated Jews to second-class citizenship. Their goal was to make Germany so frightening that the Jews would all flee.

People seem to forget that the Nazis didn't start off with concentration camps. Nazis leading up to WW2 spent a decade working on their craft, and there was no better teacher of society-accepted racist fuckery than the USA.
 

chuckddd

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Oct 25, 2017
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I suspect the next actual news we get will either be KJU appearing at a function and declaring all of this 'fake news' or a massive state funeral while also declaring all of this 'fake news'.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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People seem to forget that the Nazis didn't start off with concentration camps. Nazis leading up to WW2 spent a decade working on their craft, and there was no better teacher of society-accepted racist fuckery than the USA.


I don't see anyone arguing against you in this thread. Only people saying that "Hitler learned it from the USA" is not really relevant to humanizing someone so evil. If the point is that the US has it's share of evil leaders and systems - we know.
 

lowmelody

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nobody should deny what Jim Crow and eugenics work in the US is about, but come on, let's not humor a unsubstantiated hot take like "Hitler was inspired by the US"

You could not be more wrong.

The recent return to open fascism caught people off guard because of our horrible education system. Most people have no idea how relatable and amiable the US was to Hitler until we were forced to join the war. We've had the very same arguments about the same things for decades and generations since WWII and we have to relearn it all over because "it can't happen here" in America, even though it already did.

Hell, Hitler though American's implementation of Jim Crow went too far and was too cruel. I feel like noone can have a halfway clear view of this country without understanding these things.
 

PHOENIXZERO

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Oct 29, 2017
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Are Americans not taught about Eugenics in the US and Nazi Germany and Jim Crow at school or is it reserved for college History majors?
We have states that teach Creationist driven "Intelligent Design" as a viable, alternate theory to evolution in science classes. We have states that teach that the Civil War was because of the aggressive, oppressive Northern states and government being unfair to the poor South through taxes and tariffs and pretty much anything other than slavery.
 

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Are Americans not taught about Eugenics in the US and Nazi Germany and Jim Crow at school or is it reserved for college History majors?

The dirty little secret is that Eugenics was seen as scientifically sound up until the mid 20th century, despite being a load of horseshit. A whole bunch of other countries had their own programs - not just the US - and lots of notable historical figures enthusiastically supported these programs.

The truth of the matter is that nothing Hitler did came from the ether. There was oodles of precedent for every atrocity his regime committed. He just took it to the next level. And so the Allied nations after WWII collectively decided to pretend that they had nothing to do with any of this, and their own culture of eugenics was quietly filed away in the annals of history despite having played such an enormous role in unprecedented human genocide and suffering across the globe.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Not sure how this thread ended up being about Hitler, but it's clear he drew inspiration from Jim Crow. However, just because he had inspiration from one aspect of the US doesn't mean his entire ideology was based on the US, as his ideology was also fueled by a long legacy of European anti-semitism, the model of Fascism found in Italy at the time, and a larger eugenics movement that was practiced by a variety of countries.
 

capitalCORN

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Oct 26, 2017
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Not sure how this thread ended up being about Hitler, but it's clear he drew inspiration from Jim Crow. However, just because he had inspiration from one aspect of the US doesn't mean his entire ideology was based on the US, as his ideology was also fueled by a long legacy of European anti-semitism, the model of Fascism found in Italy at the time, and a larger eugenics movement that was practiced by a variety of countries.
Sharing the blame, how nice.
 

Jarrod38

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Oct 25, 2017
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Every time this thread gets bumped I think we get some major update. Something big had to happen for NK to be so hush hush on this.