Well, I certainly wouldn't encourage someone to do it, nor would I do it myself, but I'm saying that I don't really see it as morally wrong. Obviously considering the legal implications I would advise against it.
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CNN: How an internet mob falsely painted a Chipotle employee as racist
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Lmao of course it's morally wrong. It's even obviously morally wrong when looking at it from the exact same perspective you stated!
"A company steals the surplus value of its employees labour all the time", so if some stranger steals from that company then that stranger is stealing the surplus value of the employees labour. The only way it would be justified from your perspective is if the employees themselves were stealing from the company.
Same thing with alleged pedophiles. Saying people should wait for actual facts before labeling someone a pedophile and ruining their life is an automatic ban here.
Which is why I stopped participating in those kinds of threads, there's literally zero discussion to be had.
Companies need to stay off social media. Chipotle could've handled this better by not firing her 5 minutes within the video getting posted.
I don't exactly remember my first thoughts but I definitely questioned the entire situation before judging. Too much videos start at the middle of the problem with no context and people need to realize this.
I don't exactly remember my first thoughts but I definitely questioned the entire situation before judging. Too much videos start at the middle of the problem with no context and people need to realize this.
Doubt any more than 1% (or hell, no one) on Era was apart of the direct threats she received, but I guess it is possible the spreading of the story could have worsen the outcome for her immediately. But eventually the spreading also "vindicated" her, so it is a double-edged sword.
How was the backlash towards the people who did the "prank"?
It's such a very tough situation. You see a story that seems like it is exactly how it seem, and our instincts are to be repulsed by the person because the scene happens all too often. But maybe we as a society should stop the social-trials? It used to happen only in the community, but now anything can be global.
Ultimately everything has an opposite and equal reaction. I feel the amount of crap that non-white people have had to put up with has led to a feeling of empowerment that they used to not have, so the amount of hate they have seen in the past is now being repaid with this ability.
I feel like the article is just trying to caution people before "jumping aboard the mob train", but again I go back to my original thought about how no one here probably was sending threats to her. It's all just about the way/ease information can be spread now. The CNN article does an okay job showing a problem, but doesn't really go too far into it, to be honest.
Edit: And then you have the people who have "glee" that someone was vindicated, and immediately frame the whole story (and others like it) just false.... which is just another example of confirmation bias.
How was the backlash towards the people who did the "prank"?
It's such a very tough situation. You see a story that seems like it is exactly how it seem, and our instincts are to be repulsed by the person because the scene happens all too often. But maybe we as a society should stop the social-trials? It used to happen only in the community, but now anything can be global.
Ultimately everything has an opposite and equal reaction. I feel the amount of crap that non-white people have had to put up with has led to a feeling of empowerment that they used to not have, so the amount of hate they have seen in the past is now being repaid with this ability.
I feel like the article is just trying to caution people before "jumping aboard the mob train", but again I go back to my original thought about how no one here probably was sending threats to her. It's all just about the way/ease information can be spread now. The CNN article does an okay job showing a problem, but doesn't really go too far into it, to be honest.
Edit: And then you have the people who have "glee" that someone was vindicated, and immediately frame the whole story (and others like it) just false.... which is just another example of confirmation bias.
That's the problem though, a companies reputation is worth a lot more to them than a single employee. It actually doesn't matter what the truth is, just how it is perceived. Chipotle would have been raked over the coals if they had refused to fire a 'racist' employee.
One pinch of skepticism for everything. Two large pinches when it confirms your world view. A healthy recipe for rational thought.
And here's the rub. Skepticism is healthy. But the people most in need of it can use it least well - confirmation bias guides where they apply their skepticism and how rather than them using it as a tool to battle their own confirmation bias.
I've been falsely banned twice for "downplaying hate speech", despite having done no such thing.
I too despise people who don't immediately and wholeheartedly believe out-of-context videos on the internet.
Social media has resulted in attention spans dropping to almost nothing and we can see the negative results of that change around us every day. People need to slow down, look at the full perspective of what they're seeing, and think more often before they post. Our impatientence is turning us all into toxic assholes and we can do better.
The article also brushes by a good comparison; in all these "... while black" situations that have been popping up lately, the racist people who call the cops are effectively doing the same thing that the vigilante internet mob does, rushing to judgement, assuming the worst in others, and refusing to investigate a situation. I would have liked to see them connect those dots a little more, to demonstrate how these same behaviors can manifest themselves through very different groups of people. Calling the cops is obviously a more extreme action than commenting "f u Chipotle" or calling for someone to be fired, but they share a lot in common and show how much collateral damage can be avoided by a more informed and less reflexive perspective.
The article also brushes by a good comparison; in all these "... while black" situations that have been popping up lately, the racist people who call the cops are effectively doing the same thing that the vigilante internet mob does, rushing to judgement, assuming the worst in others, and refusing to investigate a situation. I would have liked to see them connect those dots a little more, to demonstrate how these same behaviors can manifest themselves through very different groups of people. Calling the cops is obviously a more extreme action than commenting "f u Chipotle" or calling for someone to be fired, but they share a lot in common and show how much collateral damage can be avoided by a more informed and less reflexive perspective.
Hope the woman can get a new career going. No one deserves to work at Chipotle, not even death row inmates.
The previous thread was a good microcosm of Era and how its "prominent" minds operate, some of whom have seen fit to continue pinching off their views into this thread.
The previous thread was a good microcosm of Era and how its "prominent" minds operate, some of whom have seen fit to continue pinching off their views into this thread.
To ignore the confirmation bias part and focus solely on the statement in the bolded, that isn't true. The very first video which was posted made it clear that the employee knew the people who came into the store and had a previous interaction with them. Literally the thirty-first post of the previous thread highlighted this. The information which subsequently came out was relayed in the first video, so it isn't really correct to frame it as if the context which came out after additional information was provided was totally absent when the video went viral; it was there from the beginning and people ignored or dismissed it.
This is just factually wrong and stupid.
The murderer isnt in prison because not only is the Justice system flawed, but its extra flawed in regards to Cops. It has nothing to do with skepticism in America.
I hadn't seen the original thread, so had a look. What struck me the most was that despite being wrong in their assumptions, many of the posters who immediately labelled her a racist didn't really admit they were wrong and instead started making excuses.
Just say you were wrong and move on. Maybe learn a bit from it too. Though I can see why it's easy to jump to conclusions, given the amount of crap that actually is happening.
Just say you were wrong and move on. Maybe learn a bit from it too. Though I can see why it's easy to jump to conclusions, given the amount of crap that actually is happening.
I don't think that anybody is defaulting latinos as "Mexican white people" at all.
But racism isn't nearly as clear-cut as black people versus white people. Colorism is a thing. "Proximity to' whiteness'" is a thing. So yeah, it's not dismissing latinos as "just white people," that dynamic has absolutely nothing to do with the racism that could have potentially been at play here. It was a sketchy road for the article to go down.
I wasn't here for it, but I found that really hard with the MAGA kid in DC staring down that native american earlier this year. That picture with the smug smile just got to me, and it was hard to say... (its still hard to say!) that he was doing nothing. Or just say "woah, looks like it was a misunderstanding" and move on. Like I still think maybe there was more to that that I just didn't ever see in the end or something. I didn't even share or comment or repost that stuff much. Its not a "I'm embarrassed thing". Its my brain just refusing to let go of what it wants to believe is true.
Our brains are weird and frustrating sometimes.
This happens in every one of those fucking threads. And you see the same people doing the exact same shit next time around; and when you point out, "Hey, you don't critically think, because you've done this twice before, look at the so-and-so thread" you're the jackass in those threads.
It's outright laughable.
In the second tweet and video in the thread you're referring to, the twitter user shows video of a second employee claiming the men have been in the restaurant before, then in the same video shows the same employee saying he had never seen at least one of the men before. The men are painting the narrative of mistaken identity/using the "All of them look alike" stereotype, which unfortunately does happen a lot. In addition...
...the men posted additional video with them displaying money in the restaurant to the cameras/employees. While it is good that enough people were skeptical enough to be able to find the "Dine and Dash" evidence based on the manager's initial statement, more "evidence/information" was shown and given by the twitter user than the manager's one statement. It isn't an example of confirmation bias to believe larger amount of "evidence/information".
What an embarrassing mess that last thread. Even on the last page one of the comments is "she got momentarily fired from Chipotle, LOL"
OK, yeah no big deal to lose your job and be the target of an online hate mob as long as you wind up getting the job back. All's well that ends well folks!
Makes me want to not come here anymore, so much vindictiveness and negativity disguised as good will, really gross.
OK, yeah no big deal to lose your job and be the target of an online hate mob as long as you wind up getting the job back. All's well that ends well folks!
Makes me want to not come here anymore, so much vindictiveness and negativity disguised as good will, really gross.
People need to stop with knee jerk reactions until they get the full story.
Some people, both here and the wider internet, want to jump on that sweet confirmation bias but, sometimes, you need to step back and get a full picture.
If your reactions are causing innocent people to lose their jobs, how is that helping your cause?
Some people, both here and the wider internet, want to jump on that sweet confirmation bias but, sometimes, you need to step back and get a full picture.
If your reactions are causing innocent people to lose their jobs, how is that helping your cause?
Dismissing PDP's continued toying with the alt-right crowd that led to this, and defending/dismissing Candace Owens's hateful rhetoric.
Sounds like you were banned rightfully twice.
Yeah no shit. This entire forum was built off of it. There is no discussion or context. People love to pretend to be "good" by ruining people's lives for "justice".
100%
We all just need to take a breath when these stories come out, make sure we have facts by doing investigation, and go from there. It's certainly okay to lean a certain way since we see racist bull shot all the time, but to ridicule these people and call for their livelihoods to be destroyed without knowing the facts just isn't right.
User Banned (permanent): Dismissing concerns surrounding hate speech. Doubling down on previous severe infraction.
I did continue anything. I made my initial comment and others responded to me, so I then was in engaged in an argument with several people. I wasn't rude to anyone (if anything the posters were more rude toward me). I was not defending racist comments, because there were none said. in BOTH contexts. No said nothing offensive, I merely stated facts. I wa banned for stating facts. Are you kidding, how is any of what I said cause for an acceptable and justifiable ban?
For once moment remove political bias from this. That is the number one issues plaguing discourse on resretera. It's one thing if regular posters do this, despite how awful it is, but when mods start doing it, then it's disgusting and disingenuous.
I mean that would be great but I'm talking about people AFTER the fact who dance around the idea that what happened to the manager was undoubtedly damaging and needless, or worse, think it was a fair "price" to pay just because there was a possible whiff of racism / injustice.
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