I live in NJ-11. I worked in the Sherrill campaign.I've never heard of them because the media never covers them.
Acting like the media is biased against AOC and the squad when the article coverage is about 10,000:1 in her favor is something else.
Sadly, this is the truth right here.Gotta sell it to White America(tm).
Those faces might do it. Dem colored folk that Donald has already convinced people of being anti-Murican and anti-Israel are less convenient for the packaging of the message they want to sell.
100% this.
Clapping back at people on Twitter is great for making the front page of Reddit but you usually aren't convincing anyone that isn't already on your side. You need the firebrands but you also need moderates to fight the battle in the trenches because the middle is where the court of public opinion is won.
BOTH OF THESE GROUPS ARE LEADERS. Without both of them, you don't get anywhere. Freaking out because white women got one article's worth of credit is NOT PRODUCTIVE.
It is so interesting to me that this could be the takeaway for some people; that you could have such a different perception. Do you agree with the video (or someone like Jake Tapper generally)? Do you feel that "beating the drums for months" somehow doesn't make that person the actual leader, that being the "loudest voice" isn't warranted in this historic context?The increasingly unchecked hostility on this forum towards moderate democrats gets really tiresome. That there's been no effort to curb this behavior by the moderation team is the real disappointment.
The uncomfortable truth ResetEra will have to accept one day is that the progressive firebrands of the world aren't the one's responsible for the current Democratic majority in the House, it's those "fence sitting, corporate dems". As they're the one's most vulnerable to losing their seats in the next election cycle, it was their support for impeachment that drove Nancy Pelosi to make the formal announcement of the inquiry. No one's denying that the AOCs of the world have been beating the drums of impeachment for months, but they're in a position where they can be comfortable enough to do that without losing their seat.
The increasingly unchecked hostility on this forum towards moderate democrats gets really tiresome. That there's been no effort to curb this behavior by the moderation team is the real disappointment.
The uncomfortable truth ResetEra will have to accept one day is that the progressive firebrands of the world aren't the one's responsible for the current Democratic majority in the House, it's those "fence sitting, corporate dems". As they're the one's most vulnerable to losing their seats in the next election cycle, it was their support for impeachment that drove Nancy Pelosi to make the formal announcement of the inquiry. No one's denying that the AOCs of the world have been beating the drums of impeachment for months, but they're in a position where they can be comfortable enough to do that without losing their seat.
lmao moderates ain't gonna be fighting in the trenches: they are moderates.you also need moderates to fight the battle in the trenches because the middle is where the court of public opinion is won.
No one is saying they don't need them.The increasingly unchecked hostility on this forum towards moderate democrats gets really tiresome. That there's been no effort to curb this behavior by the moderation team is the real disappointment.
The uncomfortable truth ResetEra will have to accept one day is that the progressive firebrands of the world aren't the one's responsible for the current Democratic majority in the House, it's those "fence sitting, corporate dems". As they're the one's most vulnerable to losing their seats in the next election cycle, it was their support for impeachment that drove Nancy Pelosi to make the formal announcement of the inquiry. No one's denying that the AOCs of the world have been beating the drums of impeachment for months, but they're in a position where they can be comfortable enough to do that without losing their seat.
This is a very strange post. I'm a liberal, and while I may not agree with Democrats like this I will defend them when they're not doing anything wrong since they our allies and we do need them in this coalition to survive. I'm concerned that if I say yes to this the implication would be that it was bad. Am I right?
It is so interesting to me that this could be the takeaway for some people; that you could have such a different perception
Waiting until there's an unambiguously condemnable action solely perpetrated by Trump while in office has, if anything, strengthened Democrat's hand in this situation as opposed to if they had jumped on something more amorphous like obstruction or justice or russian collusion and tried to bring in other charges as they came up down the line. I trust that these (and other) moderate dems have a better read on the temperature's in their districts and have acted accordingly.Ultimately another big question that people don't ask themselves enough is what is the right thing to do? Has the president done enough to warrant impeachment? And what damage do congresspeople do to any message that 'Yes, obviously it is time for impeachment' when they sit silent with their arms crossed? The idea that they should be applauded for only stepping up now and pretending as if what Trump had done previously wasn't already undermining the "democratic institutions" they are fearful for....I dunno. I understand their situation and their political reticence but they are not heroes or leaders, CNN.
As she should have. When she took office we hadn't seen the conclusions of the Mueller report and it weakens the argument of Democrats that they aren't simply waiting for any reason to impeach the president when they pre-emptively jump the gun on the question before the definitive investigation on the subject has been completed.The stuff in the OP is reprehensible and part of a pattern that goes back decades, to the Civil Rights Era. You're whining for moderation help but this whitewashing is totally unacceptable, is the problem.
Rashida Tlaib, when she took office, got into a ton of shit because literally the day she was sworn in she mentioned impeachment.
Not defending the video as anything more than typical CNN drek, I'm commenting on the framing of the entire thread and the disparaging of moderate, "Corporate Dems" that's happened in multiple posts in this topic and throughout other political topics on this forum, especially as these democrats that were able to make headway in what were traditionally Republican leaning areas across the country are the only reason that Pelosi has been able to act in the way she has on this issue up until now. They may not regularly make the headlines or have the twitter following the squad's enjoyed up until now, but they are the reason that Democrats have any sort of say in the era of Trump.
As she should have. When she took office we hadn't seen the conclusions of the Mueller report and it weakens the argument of Democrats that they aren't simply waiting for any reason to impeach the president when they pre-emptively jump the gun on the question before the definitive investigation on the subject has been completed.
The U.S. is a lot more white and moderate than some people think: it is newsworthy when "the center" gets on board because that's when things tend to change.
I'm curious: what role should moderation play here? What infractions have there been? Beyond people saying things you disagree with.Not defending the video as anything more than typical CNN drek, I'm commenting on the framing of the entire thread and the disparaging of moderate, "Corporate Dems" that's happened in multiple posts in this topic and throughout other political topics on this forum, especially as these democrats that were able to make headway in what were traditionally Republican leaning areas across the country are the only reason that Pelosi has been able to act in the way she has on this issue up until now. They may not regularly make the headlines or have the twitter following the squad's enjoyed up until now, but they are the reason that Democrats have any sort of say in the era of Trump.
Two things:Waiting until there's an unambiguously condemnable action solely perpetrated by Trump while in office has, if anything, strengthened Democrat's hand in this situation as opposed to if they had jumped on something more amorphous like obstruction or justice or russian collusion and tried to bring in other charges as they came up down the line. I trust that these (and other) moderate dems have a better read on the temperature's in their districts and have acted accordingly.
If they'd jumped immediately after the Mueller report had come out they wouldn't have even had the majority of Democrats, let alone the House to support impeachment.
As she should have. When she took office we hadn't seen the conclusions of the Mueller report and it weakens the argument of Democrats that they aren't simply waiting for any reason to impeach the president when they pre-emptively jump the gun on the question before the definitive investigation on the subject has been completed.
I'm waiting for the answer to my question.
Is Maxine Waters a progressive firebrand?
Because she was at the forefront of the forefront of calling for impeachment, and was the slings and arrows while "The Squad" was weighing whether or not they even wanted to run.
It seems, to me, that the framing of this issue is poor in more ways than one.
Donald Trump has been in blatant violation of the emoluments clause and actively profiting from the presidency since the moment he was sworn in!We didn't even need the Mueller report to impeach Trump. It was obvious since day 2 he would use his position to profit and every month we got more clues it was likely true until the dam burst a few months ago.
She called for impeachment before these moderate Dems did. In other words she helped "lead" the charge like a "leader" does, even during a time where you say she should've taken a ton of shit, because it was too soon.I don't know a thing about Maxine Waters but I don't see how she's relevant to anything being discussed here.
You don't know a thing about Maxine Waters, but you know the makeup of her district? You're trying to hard to sound impartial.I'm not sure why you've brought up a Representative who's district has a partisan lean of +29 D to a conversation about vulnerable Democrats representing R leaning or battleground districts pushing for impeachment, the entire point is that " they're in a position where they can be comfortable enough to do that without losing their seat. "
I don't know a thing about Maxine Waters but I don't see how she's relevant to anything being discussed here. Feel free to elaborate though.
I don't know a thing about Maxine Waters but I don't see how she's relevant to anything being discussed here. Feel free to elaborate though.
As she should have. When she took office we hadn't seen the conclusions of the Mueller report and it weakens the argument of Democrats that they aren't simply waiting for any reason to impeach the president when they pre-emptively jump the gun on the question before the definitive investigation on the subject has been completed.
Thank god the moderates immediately stepped in when Trump went after an old white man and his kid.
Muslims and mexican kids though? fuck them kids.
It took all of two seconds to google, should I have gone into her stances on the green new deal and healthcare to make your argument for you? You brought her up and the only thing you've been able to say on the matter is that she was an early voice on the impeachment call. Cool, thanks for the insight.You don't know a thing about Maxine Waters, but you know the makeup of her district? You're trying to hard to sound impartial.
It took all of two seconds to google, should I have gone into her stances on the green new deal and healthcare to make your argument for you? You brought her up and the only thing you've been able to say on the matter is that she was an early voice on the impeachment call. Cool, thanks for the insight.
I don't know when Maxine Waters decided to call for impeachment, if it was before the release of the Mueller report then it was premature but since bringing her up you've failed to mention why she's at all relevant to my original post disparaging the tone on this forum with respects to moderate democrats or the ease with which people sitting in comfortable democratic districts can call for impeachment compared to those who have more skin in the game.
if it was before the release of the Mueller report then it was premature
My suggestion to you, before you take such a hardline position in this thread, is that you spend a few more seconds googling.It took all of two seconds to google, should I have gone into her stances on the green new deal and healthcare to make your argument for you? You brought her up and the only thing you've been able to say on the matter is that she was an early voice on the impeachment call. Cool, thanks for the insight.
I don't know when Maxine Waters decided to call for impeachment, if it was before the release of the Mueller report then it was premature but since bringing her up you've failed to mention why she's at all relevant to my original post disparaging the tone on this forum with respects to moderate democrats or the ease with which people sitting in comfortable democratic districts can call for impeachment compared to those who have more skin in the game.
Again, couldn't care less about the video itself. You can call yourself a leader on impeachment for all I care - my problem has been with the disparaging of "moderates" in this thread and other threads on this forum."I don't know anything about this person, but let me tell you why she isn't a leader on the subject we're talking about."
"That week showed me that for some people, ideology matters more than putting food in the mouth of a child," she said. "And that was stunning to me."
With moderates coming out to support the impeachment inquiry who needs republicans?
these are not the quotes i would like to see you respond to. please go again.Again, couldn't care less about the video itself. You can call yourself a leader on impeachment for all I care - my problem has been with the disparaging of "moderates" in this thread and other threads on this forum.
Because the Mueller report represented the definitive non-partisan analysis of questions that had swirled around the president since initially taking office. Trump sucks, but questions of whether or not he had committed an impeachable offense were centered almost entirely around questions that were being answered by that investigation. Calls for impeachment before the results of that report came out were pretty much worthless as a result, and if you're going to frame a party's decision to impeach a president off of results coming out of that report, then it helps not to look too eager to impeach the guy before the facts have come in.
With moderates coming out to support the impeachment inquiry who needs republicans?
My suggestion to you, before you take such a hardline position in this thread, is that you spend a few more seconds googling.
Maxine Waters is a lifelong Democrat, but her politics are more closely aligned to the center left than they are to the far left. If you were aware of that, you would know why I brought her up. If you're certain that calls for impeachment before the Mueller Report were "premature," you would know the significance of me bringing up the first Democrat to openly call for Trump's impeachment.
Maxine Waters is a moderate. Framing those who actually led on impeachment as "progressive firebrands" with no skin in the game is, frankly, bad framing.
Dont have to be white dude, whiteness is malleable.