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CNN & Corporate Dems Whitewashing Impeachment.
- Thread starter mario_O
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I live in NJ-11. I worked in the Sherrill campaign.
She is not a leader on impeachment. It's great that she came around even in a reddish district but come ON.
You know goddamn well that you're arguing in bad faith and yet you still persist.
Liberals whitewashing a moment of cultural significance?
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LOL this shit is predictable as pie. The center-left will ALWAYS pull this kind of shit. White supremacy doesn't just exist on the right, y'all. The center-left propagates it and always has.
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LOL this shit is predictable as pie. The center-left will ALWAYS pull this kind of shit. White supremacy doesn't just exist on the right, y'all. The center-left propagates it and always has.
Jesus.
People often focus on how bad Fox News is with its pro-Republican spin on every piece of news that comes out.
They often forget CNN does the exact same thing and is often just as bad at doing under handed racists/phobia shit.
Example: (Fake)
Donald Trump almost drops a baby.
Fox News: Donald Trump barely holds on to baby saving it's life!
CNN: Donald Trump hates babies and threw one on the ground today.
The spin is fucking unwatchable on these networks anymore.
People often focus on how bad Fox News is with its pro-Republican spin on every piece of news that comes out.
They often forget CNN does the exact same thing and is often just as bad at doing under handed racists/phobia shit.
Example: (Fake)
Donald Trump almost drops a baby.
Fox News: Donald Trump barely holds on to baby saving it's life!
CNN: Donald Trump hates babies and threw one on the ground today.
The spin is fucking unwatchable on these networks anymore.
It is so interesting to me that this could be the takeaway for some people; that you could have such a different perception. Do you agree with the video (or someone like Jake Tapper generally)? Do you feel that "beating the drums for months" somehow doesn't make that person the actual leader, that being the "loudest voice" isn't warranted in this historic context?
Is it at all normal to you that CNN produced this video of four white women and presented them in such a way that neatly juxtaposed them against 'the squad' and then spends a few moments patronizing them and painting them in a bad light? And somehow managing to recognize the momentum they created.... for the environment! And not even mentioning impeachment. Too loud, too combative, tsk tsk.
Ultimately another big question that people don't ask themselves enough is what is the right thing to do? Has the president done enough to warrant impeachment? And what damage do congresspeople do to any message that 'Yes, obviously it is time for impeachment' when they sit silent with their arms crossed? The idea that they should be applauded for only stepping up now and pretending as if what Trump had done previously wasn't already undermining the "democratic institutions" they are fearful for....I dunno. I understand their situation and their political reticence but they are not heroes or leaders, CNN.
The stuff in the OP is reprehensible and part of a pattern that goes back decades, to the Civil Rights Era. You're whining for moderation help but this whitewashing is totally unacceptable, is the problem.
Rashida Tlaib, when she took office, got into a ton of shit because literally the day she was sworn in she mentioned impeachment.
Omar, AOC, and Pressley have been pushing for impeachment since January. Al Green has been pushing for impeachment for ages now too.
This is erasure by libs, putting white people at the head of a movement which was spearheaded largely by women of color! And it's indefensible.
lmao moderates ain't gonna be fighting in the trenches: they are moderates.
No one is saying they don't need them.
the problem is calling them leaders when they haven't led shit and "the squad" has had to deal with all the vitriol and threats while being the actual leaders. The ones who kept pressing on for Dems to take action and didnt wait until Trump forced their hand.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...887a26-a8f9-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/01/mikie-sherrill-new-jersey-pressure-227995
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...ts-try-to-establish-their-brand-ahead-of-2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/30/us/politics/left-moderate-democrats.html
The idea that these specific women have not gotten media coverage is a flat out lie. They've gotten tons of stories on how they're fighting against the progressive left and the real power players in Congress.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/01/mikie-sherrill-new-jersey-pressure-227995
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...ts-try-to-establish-their-brand-ahead-of-2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/30/us/politics/left-moderate-democrats.html
The idea that these specific women have not gotten media coverage is a flat out lie. They've gotten tons of stories on how they're fighting against the progressive left and the real power players in Congress.
Not defending the video as anything more than typical CNN drek, I'm commenting on the framing of the entire thread and the disparaging of moderate, "Corporate Dems" that's happened in multiple posts in this topic and throughout other political topics on this forum, especially as these democrats that were able to make headway in what were traditionally Republican leaning areas across the country are the only reason that Pelosi has been able to act in the way she has on this issue up until now. They may not regularly make the headlines or have the twitter following the squad's enjoyed up until now, but they are the reason that Democrats have any sort of say in the era of Trump.
Waiting until there's an unambiguously condemnable action solely perpetrated by Trump while in office has, if anything, strengthened Democrat's hand in this situation as opposed to if they had jumped on something more amorphous like obstruction or justice or russian collusion and tried to bring in other charges as they came up down the line. I trust that these (and other) moderate dems have a better read on the temperature's in their districts and have acted accordingly.
If they'd jumped immediately after the Mueller report had come out they wouldn't have even had the majority of Democrats, let alone the House to support impeachment.
As she should have. When she took office we hadn't seen the conclusions of the Mueller report and it weakens the argument of Democrats that they aren't simply waiting for any reason to impeach the president when they pre-emptively jump the gun on the question before the definitive investigation on the subject has been completed.
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I'm waiting for the answer to my question.
Is Maxine Waters a progressive firebrand?
Because she was at the forefront of the forefront of calling for impeachment, and was the slings and arrows while "The Squad" was weighing whether or not they even wanted to run.
It seems, to me, that the framing of this issue is poor in more ways than one.
Considering the topic at hand let's not conflate moderation with white-ethnocentrism because basically that's what this coverage is doing and it's frustrating because I bet you out of various actual leaders of impeachment only 1 of them was thinking in ethnocentric terms.
That Jack Tapper link is really disgusting but it highlights how too many white people in journalism think. They can't take someone of different skin tone seriously. Trump has done a ton of things worthy of impeachment since day 2 of his admin. This is undeniable and it has been why many people of various skin tones have been calling for impeachment even Warren called for it nearly as early as they did. Is Warren now gleeful to put the screws on Trump? Does her own concerns being so early to call for impeachment make her claims less serious?
I'm curious: what role should moderation play here? What infractions have there been? Beyond people saying things you disagree with.
Two things:
- how was Trump's obstruction of justice ambiguous?
- "wouldn't have even had the majority of Democrats" - you do realize how this is circular logic?
We didn't even need the Mueller report to impeach Trump. It was obvious since day 2 he would use his position to profit and every month we got more clues it was likely true until the dam burst a few months ago.
I'm not sure why you've brought up a Representative who's district has a partisan lean of +29 D to a conversation about vulnerable Democrats representing R leaning or battleground districts pushing for impeachment, the entire point is that " they're in a position where they can be comfortable enough to do that without losing their seat. "
I don't know a thing about Maxine Waters but I don't see how she's relevant to anything being discussed here. Feel free to elaborate though.
Donald Trump has been in blatant violation of the emoluments clause and actively profiting from the presidency since the moment he was sworn in!
People think the Mueller Report didn't pack a punch because it was "confusing." I've always been of the mind that it wasn't effective because it was late.
She called for impeachment before these moderate Dems did. In other words she helped "lead" the charge like a "leader" does, even during a time where you say she should've taken a ton of shit, because it was too soon.
You don't know a thing about Maxine Waters, but you know the makeup of her district? You're trying to hard to sound impartial.
Also, I have a major bone to pick with the idea that being from a blue district meant calling for impeachment was "comfortable" or easy. There were Democrats from equally blue districts criticizing Waters. She was attacked by the president regularly at his rallies and had to beef up her security because her office started regularly receiving death threats.
There are and have been myriad of reasons to impeach Trump since he took office. The reason he is still there is the republicans put power and party over country.
How could you not know anything about her? That seems impossible.
Thank god the moderates immediately stepped in when Trump went after an old white man and his kid.
Muslims and mexican kids though? fuck them kids.
Muslims and mexican kids though? fuck them kids.
This is pure nonsense. We knew that Trump had Russian interference to help him win in 2016. There was plenty of reason to impeach him before the Mueller report even came out! It wasn't preemptive. And as Royalan points out, Maxine Waters was talking impeachment before this Congress was sworn in. Al Green too, since May of 2017! It wasn't just the left wing of the House.
It took all of two seconds to google, should I have gone into her stances on the green new deal and healthcare to make your argument for you? You brought her up and the only thing you've been able to say on the matter is that she was an early voice on the impeachment call. Cool, thanks for the insight.
I don't know when Maxine Waters decided to call for impeachment, if it was before the release of the Mueller report then it was premature but since bringing her up you've failed to mention why she's at all relevant to my original post disparaging the tone on this forum with respects to moderate democrats or the ease with which people sitting in comfortable democratic districts can call for impeachment compared to those who have more skin in the game.
"I don't know anything about this person, but let me tell you why she isn't a leader on the subject we're talking about."
1. Obviously the people who have been pushing for impeachment for the longest time and who have worked to put pressure to move forward on impeachment are the most deserving of praise and credit, that should be crystal clear. Even if the members who have Republican-leaning districts deserve credit for risking their seats for this, they have most certainly not been "leaders" on impeachment, and we should never forget those who have been at the actual forefront of this long, painful fight (which is far from over). It's important to remember that even those who have solidly Democratic districts face a tremendous amount of hatred and danger for speaking out against the right, especially in an era where the President of the United States encourages the absolute worst tendencies of his virulently racist base.
2. This is a CNN article written by CNN's Dana Bash. This is not a Democratic Party press release. The thread title and the people taking it at face value are attacking a very strange and irrelevant strawman.
3. It would be immensely helpful if some people actually understood the labels they are using. These congresspersons being discussed in the article are moderates aka the center aka centrists. The people some of you are supposedly defending and trying to credit are overwhelmingly center-left, aka liberals (sometimes "very liberal") aka progressives aka "the libs." None of them are far left or "the true and only left." For context, Jeremy Corbyn's UK Labour Party is a center-left party, not a radical left-wing party, just as the UK Labour Party was a center-left party when they enacted socialized medicine in the 40s. Stop conflating capital-L Liberalism or Economic Liberalism in the political science sense with the term liberal as actually used in American politics, which merely means "broadly left-leaning."
2. This is a CNN article written by CNN's Dana Bash. This is not a Democratic Party press release. The thread title and the people taking it at face value are attacking a very strange and irrelevant strawman.
3. It would be immensely helpful if some people actually understood the labels they are using. These congresspersons being discussed in the article are moderates aka the center aka centrists. The people some of you are supposedly defending and trying to credit are overwhelmingly center-left, aka liberals (sometimes "very liberal") aka progressives aka "the libs." None of them are far left or "the true and only left." For context, Jeremy Corbyn's UK Labour Party is a center-left party, not a radical left-wing party, just as the UK Labour Party was a center-left party when they enacted socialized medicine in the 40s. Stop conflating capital-L Liberalism or Economic Liberalism in the political science sense with the term liberal as actually used in American politics, which merely means "broadly left-leaning."
My suggestion to you, before you take such a hardline position in this thread, is that you spend a few more seconds googling.
Maxine Waters is a lifelong Democrat, but her politics are more closely aligned to the center left than they are to the far left. If you were aware of that, you would know why I brought her up. If you're certain that calls for impeachment before the Mueller Report were "premature," you would know the significance of me bringing up the first Democrat to openly call for Trump's impeachment.
Maxine Waters is a moderate. Framing those who actually led on impeachment as "progressive firebrands" with no skin in the game is, frankly, bad framing.
Again, couldn't care less about the video itself. You can call yourself a leader on impeachment for all I care - my problem has been with the disparaging of "moderates" in this thread and other threads on this forum.
Because the Mueller report represented the definitive non-partisan analysis of questions that had swirled around the president since initially taking office. Trump sucks, but questions of whether or not he had committed an impeachable offense were centered almost entirely around questions that were being answered by that investigation. Calls for impeachment before the results of that report came out were pretty much worthless as a result, and if you're going to frame a party's decision to impeach a president off of results coming out of that report, then it helps not to look too eager to impeach the guy before the facts have come in.
Remember when Spanberger accused progressives who opposed the concentration camp funding as not wanting to feed children?
Good times.
Good times.
With moderates coming out to support the impeachment inquiry who needs republicans?
these are not the quotes i would like to see you respond to. please go again.
They don't have any skin in the game though, not in comparison to the moderates (in moderate districts*) that have come forward in support of impeachment. Again, the relevance of Maxine Waters to this discussion is wanting. Even if politically she's a moderate the calculus changes when standing atop her +29 Democratic leaning California district. Her prematurely calling for impeachment in that environment doesn't speak to a bravery or leadership so much as a freedom that other members in her caucus haven't had up until now. It's not a decision that she is making with the threat of potentially losing her seat for it in the 2020 cycle.
