Kinda scary when you put it like that. seems set up perfectly for stalkers and shit to live out their fantasies.
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CNN : Bella Thorne becomes first to earn $1 million in a day on OnlyFans
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I'm not talking about rom and other clearly illegal websites. I'm talking about people refusing to pay for content like email services, forums, image hosting, video hosting, journalism of any sort, etc. It goes on and on, and hell not only do they refuse to pay anything, but they block the advertisements that are these websites sole source of income on top of it. It's not that people expect sex workers provide free content. It's that they expect the internet as a whole provide free content and services. Porn is just a subset of everything else your average internet user will not voluntarily pay for.
So YouTube but for sex workers? I'm cool with that.
I'm not going to advocate for piracy, but the studio's end up getting hurt, the sex workers do not, they are paid regardless. I guess the question becomes, would they get more money if porn wasn't littered with piracy. Probably. These studios aren't chancing getting COVID-19 during a pandemic, the workers are. I have way less sympathy for them, considering how much they dominate the industry.
I've never really understood the streamer/youtuber/patreon thing either lol (I'm assuming Patreon is like a Kickstarter/GoFundMe thing primarily used by streamers?).
Like I said, if people enjoy it and that's what they want to spend their money on, that's cool. I've just never really understood the appeal.
But I admit I'm terribly out of touch with a lot of modern pop culture and stuff. I generally despise social media, never got into Instagram or anything, find all the "influencer" stuff bizarre, have no fucking clue why so many people watch random Twitch streams, etc.
I fully recognize that I'm the weird/out of touch one though. I have no issues with it, assuming nobody is being exploited, I just don't think I'll ever "get it."
What's there not to get? You can directly support your favourite content creator minus the cut that the according platform takes. Doesn't exactly take Zoomer blood to "get" why this is working out. I think much of social media is despicable (radicalization, fake news among other things), but Twitch, Patreon, OnlyFans are amazing services.
Most people are never going to pay a cent for any of these things, and likely block ads on top of it. It's a very small percentage of fans for anything that make it financially worthwhile enough for a content creator to keep creating content if ad revenue isn't sufficient.
Why should a sex worker get paid once to make a video so people can watch it millions of times and then they never get another dime? Sex workers are incredibly hurt. They also make less for that one time payment because of this because their work is devalued.
On topic, Onlyfans gets pirated and uploaded to these free sites all the time, if sex workers struggle enough they can continually get them taken down but they don't see a dime.
Streaming free porn from piracy websites absolutely hurts sex workers.
I've just never seen a social media content creator that I'd regularly want to spend my time and money on, given all of the professional games, books, movies, and TV shows that I already don't have the time to fully enjoy.
Yeah, pretty much any attractive woman with a high profile or large online following will take in some serious money initially on OF. Probably will be a one time windfall, but it's still good money.
Some instagram model made some quick thousands simply posting her IG pictures on OnlyFans. I suspect we'll see more famous people pull this maneuver.
Some instagram model made some quick thousands simply posting her IG pictures on OnlyFans. I suspect we'll see more famous people pull this maneuver.
I feel like you misinterpreted my comment. I agree that royalties should be a thing, they exist in other industries. I'm just saying, from what I know, many sex workers get paid one time, a flat fee and that's that. And yes, you can pirate onlyfans stuff just like other videos and in that way, it's definitely hurtful to these workers' bottom line.
I was just focusing on the studios get hurt but sex workers do not part of your comment
I think while studios do get hurt their business model has a built in advantage of the models so they get as much as possible and pay them as little as possible.
I'm sure Bella could have some success fighting all this but your average sex worker has basically no power and would have to spend a considerable portion of their time and money just to get stuff taken down, let alone trying to get compensation for it.
Just the tip of the iceberg of stories I have heard about a lot of the fucked up shit these Disney girls lived through. For Victorious...let's just say it wasn't canceled over poor ratings...
I vaguely recall Ariana and Victoria blaming eachother for that... but guessing by your post that is not the real reason.
Ha....yeah...sex, drugs, and pervy men..there were major concerns that someone was going to die or sue.
I don't know any specifics about him in relationship to that particular show (though I hear that the rumors online about him are not just rumors but a pretty widely known thing in hollywood)...but drugs and sex were apparently rampant on set from people I know who worked on the show. There was concerns of overdoses or pregnancies that would need to be covered up and paid out...that combined with Grande becoming big (I'm sure there was something to the jealousy between the lead girls) made it a red flag for higher ups that didn't want to deal with potential fallout.
On a side note, one certain young Disney star that got pregnant as a teenager has LONG been rumored to have actually been knocked up by a producer she was sleeping with at the time. I wouldn't normally give some rumors validity (and partly why I won't directly say her name), but I have heard she got paid big time to keep quiet and marry her boyfriend...
I didn't say it was...I use the term "disney kids" broadly to describe a number of young boys and girls that went through the modeling then disney/nick/etc machine...
I have no fucking clue how that dude has somehow managed to escape any fallout in the MeToo era. For that matter, I'm surprised I haven't seen any MeToo stories at all from these Disney and Nickelodeon shows that have long been rumored to have seriously fucked up shit happening behind the scenes.
I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop...heard too many stories from too many people close in the industry for most of them not to be true. Again, it's not a shock that Dan Schneider's contract was not extended (and this is after hit after hit after hit he had produced)
You're right on the money, it's BS to enjoy someone's work while paying nothing for it.
That said I loathe the subscription model. I'm fine with one off charges to buy and own something, but I'm not going to pay a monthly fee for the right to access content. Unless you're a massive service with a huge amount of content like Netflix, HBO Max, Spotify, etc. you need to offer an option to buy specific content with one time charges.
It seems like this is only being reported by OnlyFans content creators on Twitter so far, but Bella Thorne may have screwed them over in a more immediate way than expected. Thorne charged $200 for "nudes" that turned out to be swimsuit pictures, thus scamming her customers. In response, OnlyFans set a $50 cap on charges for everyone, and limited tips to $100. Content creators that aren't already rich celebrities are pretty livid about this.
Sounds like a very rich person thing to do honestly. Can't say I'm surprised she wouldn't actually give out nudes.
What? I loved Victorious, that was the situation behind the show...yikes
What have you heard about him? I know his creepy foot obsession regarding young girls/teens
Yeah...this is what I was worried about. Celebrities fucking things up for the models who have been working on the platform for years.
Very scummy of her to straight up lie like that, but shouldn't they be able to refund the payments or something? If it's an outright lie like that and not some vaguely worded thing they can get away with.
As for the other concerns about smaller sex workers getting attention taken away from them, it's kind of hard for me to fully get behind that. I can understand it, but as someone said, it's a very specific and unique thing that she's offering, it's herself. I'm sure there are people who subbed/tipped her that had not been on OF previously and only joined for her. I see a lot of "support smaller sex workers/content creators" (also referring to Twitch etc) but to me it seems they are not interested in what the smaller sex workers/content creators are offering, so does it make sense to support them to get nothing back in return? In the case of OF, it's much more transactional.
By that I mean with Twitch, you can still give your prime sub or however many subs/donation limit you set for yourself to a smaller streamer and still watch the bigger streamer whose content you enjoy.
With OF if you don't support the channel or whoever you find attractive, you don't get the pictures or videos or whatever (i'm talking about the sexual aspect specifically for this).
Using the Twitch example, it wouldn't make sense for me to use my sub on a smaller streamer who I don't enjoy (or even enjoy to a lesser degree than a more successful streamer), if it meant I couldn't watch the bigger streamer.
But yea she's scummy for fucking with their money in a more direct way like lying about the pictures.
As for the other concerns about smaller sex workers getting attention taken away from them, it's kind of hard for me to fully get behind that. I can understand it, but as someone said, it's a very specific and unique thing that she's offering, it's herself. I'm sure there are people who subbed/tipped her that had not been on OF previously and only joined for her. I see a lot of "support smaller sex workers/content creators" (also referring to Twitch etc) but to me it seems they are not interested in what the smaller sex workers/content creators are offering, so does it make sense to support them to get nothing back in return? In the case of OF, it's much more transactional.
By that I mean with Twitch, you can still give your prime sub or however many subs/donation limit you set for yourself to a smaller streamer and still watch the bigger streamer whose content you enjoy.
With OF if you don't support the channel or whoever you find attractive, you don't get the pictures or videos or whatever (i'm talking about the sexual aspect specifically for this).
Using the Twitch example, it wouldn't make sense for me to use my sub on a smaller streamer who I don't enjoy (or even enjoy to a lesser degree than a more successful streamer), if it meant I couldn't watch the bigger streamer.
But yea she's scummy for fucking with their money in a more direct way like lying about the pictures.
Yeah, it's definitely a shame. I know a few people that started onlyfans because they genuinely, desperately needed a revenue stream during this pandemic and they're struggling to find subscribers, despite producing content literally every day, and hustling to promote themselves, and then a celebrity that already has cache and making, at the least, 6 figures a year, can start up an onlyfans and make $1 million in a single day.
I can't say I don't respect the hustle, and I think it's awesome that many women are turning what used to be something men used to hold power and control over them because of their misogyny (like leaking nudes and sex videos as revenge, etc), and making money off of it, and reclaiming power, but it's unfortunate when legit sex workers who are just trying to make ends meet and share their sexuality in attempts to normalize and decriminalize sex work, get overshadowed by people that have already hit that success lottery "horning in" on their profession.
I haven't talked to the people I know about how they feel about Bella Thorne's foray into OnlyFans, but I'm sure it's a sensitive fucking subject considering how hard they worked getting their pages setup, shamelessly self promoting, only to scrape a measly 10-15 subs after months of work. And it's not like the content they produce is low quality, so it's more an exposure thing.
I don't understand the shaming of people that produce content for OnlyFans, and the people that subscribe, though. Like, why does it fucking matter so much to you? People can spend their money on whatever they want, and it's not always about "thirst," or being some lonely loser or simp. Personally, I'd rather subscribe to someone's OnlyFans, where I know 80% of that subscription or tips or whatever is going to the performer, than spend that money on a studio porn site, where it's more than questionable if the performers are even getting a fair cut, or not being exploited for the gain of the studios that are producing the content.
Sex. Having sex. Filming consensual sex. Selling sex, really needs to be normalized, and sex workers need to have legit legal protections for the work they do.
I used to review adult films professionally many moons ago, and got to meet some pretty amazing and kind performers, who loved what they did, but the stigma and treatment they received just for being women who enjoyed working in that industry was really disheartening to see.
A chargeback is different than just refunding. Too many chargebacks are bad for OF and it can mess them up with whoever is processing the cc transactions.
Looking into this more, and checking out the tweets of some of the SW's I follow, the biggest issue they have with this is that because of Bella Thorne's charging of $200 for a PPV clip, OnlyFans has instituted new restrictions on content. $50 max post price. $100 max tip price, and a 30 day wait for payouts. What this means for those of you that may have never had to live from paycheck to paycheck, or struggled to make ends meet, is that the content creators that have been able to cash out their earnings when needed (and for some, cashing out is usually an emergency situation where they desperately need that money now), have to now wait a full month in order to withdraw their earnings.
Imagine having to wait a month before you get paid. Many of us that don't make significant money, or have significant savings, would struggle. I know what that's like, as I've been there. Trying to find a way to pay my bills that don't always land on payday, or making sure I have enough money for food to last me until the next payday. Having to way a full month before being able to pay for any of those necessities is fucking horrible. Many of these content creators rely on a fairly small number of consistent and loyal subscribers and tippers, and some subscribers tip big, even for content that isn't actually asking for a big tip. Hell, one of the people I know made $300 off of a single video from a single subscriber, even though the video itself was only priced at $50, because the subscriber just really enjoyed her content and wanted to tip big to spoil her.
These new restrictions are going to do nothing but hurt some of the smaller content creators. And at the moment, it doesn't matter if, in a few months or a year, it all balances out, when they literally need that money now, and they're putting in crazy hours to produce the content they have no choice but to produce if they want to keep their subscribers happy and interested.
Personally, I had no idea how much work content creators put into producing content consistently for their OF pages until I talked to some performers. For many, it's like a 9-5 job for them, and then add more hours to that for promoting their pages. It's legit impressive how hard they work. And then they have to worry about content being leaked for free on sites like pornhub or xvideos, where people pirate their work for free, thus eating into their income streams. At the end of the day, these are human beings trying to make a living like everyone else, or trying to supplement their other jobs because they aren't getting paid enough to make ends meet. I can't help but feel empathy for them, especially when something like this happens, where an already successful person just swoops in and disrupts their livelihood because they think it'd be "neat" to do dabble into OF for funsies.
It's just really shitty, and shitty for OnlyFans to punish everyone because she scammed her fans about what her actual content was going to be. My hope is that OF will lift those restrictions on other accounts. Most content creators aren't falsely presenting content to their subscribers and charging insane amounts for it.
Imagine having to wait a month before you get paid. Many of us that don't make significant money, or have significant savings, would struggle. I know what that's like, as I've been there. Trying to find a way to pay my bills that don't always land on payday, or making sure I have enough money for food to last me until the next payday. Having to way a full month before being able to pay for any of those necessities is fucking horrible. Many of these content creators rely on a fairly small number of consistent and loyal subscribers and tippers, and some subscribers tip big, even for content that isn't actually asking for a big tip. Hell, one of the people I know made $300 off of a single video from a single subscriber, even though the video itself was only priced at $50, because the subscriber just really enjoyed her content and wanted to tip big to spoil her.
These new restrictions are going to do nothing but hurt some of the smaller content creators. And at the moment, it doesn't matter if, in a few months or a year, it all balances out, when they literally need that money now, and they're putting in crazy hours to produce the content they have no choice but to produce if they want to keep their subscribers happy and interested.
Personally, I had no idea how much work content creators put into producing content consistently for their OF pages until I talked to some performers. For many, it's like a 9-5 job for them, and then add more hours to that for promoting their pages. It's legit impressive how hard they work. And then they have to worry about content being leaked for free on sites like pornhub or xvideos, where people pirate their work for free, thus eating into their income streams. At the end of the day, these are human beings trying to make a living like everyone else, or trying to supplement their other jobs because they aren't getting paid enough to make ends meet. I can't help but feel empathy for them, especially when something like this happens, where an already successful person just swoops in and disrupts their livelihood because they think it'd be "neat" to do dabble into OF for funsies.
It's just really shitty, and shitty for OnlyFans to punish everyone because she scammed her fans about what her actual content was going to be. My hope is that OF will lift those restrictions on other accounts. Most content creators aren't falsely presenting content to their subscribers and charging insane amounts for it.
Oh? This just got a little compelling to take interest in, learned a lot I didn't know about previously.
yeah, I initially wasn't sure if there was more to why sex workers were furious about this besides the obvious "already rich person stepping in and making themselves even richer on a platform made successful by non-rich people putting in all the work," but once I learned about the restrictions OF then put in place that is going to negatively impact actual sex workers, and that Bella Thorne misrepresented her content to fans to make a shit ton of money, I was like, "Well, now this is some bullshit."
This sounds a lot like what happened to YouTube, the biggest example was when The Rock made a YouTube channel years ago.
Also had no idea about sex workers getting furious or that they were furious at all, good to know.