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FunkyMonkey · Dec 14, 2018

beto and harris for me at this point, in either order

bernie?

there's a 50/50 chance in 2020 he will wag and point his finger until it falls off and hunch over until he curls into himself and forms a blackhole. guy is mad bitter about not being potus and i guarantee that bitterness overrides any notion he has of helping a younger progressive instead of himself, when the time comes. just watch. he will run in 2020 and will try his best to spoil the vote once again, even if someone very progressive is popular and needs his support. dat voting record and independent-until-i-need-democrat-money

kambaybolongo · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
I mean he is acting like being Obama like on policy is a BAD thing. That is the brand of Democrats most popular to the base. It was Obama like Democrats in policy that won the house back. Not the Bernie wing "Justice Democrats" who had a very mediocre showing outside of very safe districts.

Btw the fact you think being Obama like is a BAD thing shows how out of touch you are with the party.

It was Obama Democrats that won the house. Not Justice Democrats. Obama has near 100% approval from the base.

Would you like to talk about how many House, Senate, and state legislature seats dems lost with Obama or nah?

Guess who else has extremely high approval with the party; Bernie, Hillary, and Biden. Name recognition is a massive factor.

XenodudeX · Dec 14, 2018

Fork said:
That AG record is an instant disqualification from any kind of higher power than her senate seat.

In you're dreams maybe

Madison · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
It was Obama Democrats that won the house. Not Justice Democrats.

Bc its totally fair to compare a group of politicians with PAC money and media support to a small coalition that can barely afford campaigns due to it being extremely young when it comes to political groups (seriously, JD is less than two years old and it has seven seats on the house, thats a big deal).

Also, I would also question if "Obama Democrats" won the house, considering how badly they got stomped in 2010 and 2014.

(Reminder that democrats lost 63 HOUSE SEATS in 2010 and 9 senate seats in 2014)

Euron · Dec 14, 2018

Ushiromiya said:
Bernie or bust.

So you're alright with 4 more years of Trump? Look I don't want an 80 year old President but I'll vote for Bernie if I have to. I'm actually surprised that people like you (if you're serious) still believe this after all that's happened.

rjinaz said:
Y'all "Bernie now Beto in 8 years" people are crazy.

It's

Beto now, AOC in 8 years. Thank you and goodnight.

This guy gets it

Kastriot said:
I am a big Amy Klobuchar fan. Did not know who she was until the Kavanaugh hearings and immediately admired her calm demeanor as Kavanaugh ranted and raved about how he has never gotten blackout drunk. One way or another I think she has a bright future in the party.

I remember her from the hearings but I forgot her name. She's someone who should be pretty prominent soon enough. Whether or not she could beat Trump remains to be seen but she'd, unless I'm missing anything, be a pretty good candidate based on her background alone and how she handled Justice SAE.

Piecake · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
Would you like to talk about how many House, Senate, and state legislature seats dems lost with Obama or nah?

That would be pretty worthless data because what matters is the comparison between how well Obama-Democrats do compared to Progressive-Democrats in competitive areas.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
I mean he is acting like being Obama like on policy is a BAD thing. That is the brand of Democrats most popular to the base. It was Obama like Democrats in policy that won the house back. Not the Bernie wing "Justice Democrats" who had a very mediocre showing outside of very safe districts.

Btw the fact you think being Obama like is a BAD thing shows how out of touch you are with the party.

It was Obama Democrats that won the house. Not Justice Democrats. Obama has near 100% approval from the base.

Let's look at what beto is pushing for. Universal healthcare for all. Increase in minimum wage. On record that Trump should be impeached. Affordable education with serious reform.

Goddamn, he's basically a Republican!

kambaybolongo · Dec 14, 2018

Piecake said:
That would be pretty worthless data because what matters is the comparison between how well Obama-Democrats do compared to Progressive-Democrats in competitive areas.

You're right. It's truly shocking that preferred candidates to win that are swimming in cash (and are almost always independently wealthy) are winning elections. It must be because they're obama democrats. Yeah that must be it.

Ushiromiya · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
Beto and Kamala are 85% progressive, I need my 92% progressive or I am taking my ball and going home!

When that 7% is the difference between life and death, I'll take my chances.

Euron · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
Would you like to talk about how many House, Senate, and state legislature seats dems lost with Obama or nah?

You're talking about 2010 right? In that case, Conservatives were motivated more than ever before to vote thanks to their hatred of Obama while Democrats mostly stayed home so it's not really something comparable. That really had nothing to do with Obama the politician, it was more so based on a misguided (to put it lightly) hatred of Obama the person.

Ushiromiya said:
When that 7% is the difference between life and death, I'll take my chances.

Life and Death? Can you elaborate? If you're talking about Healthcare, Beto also cares strongly about it despite not labeling himself as a Progressive. And again, what about what happens if Trump is elected a second term? If Beto or Kamela is death, then what's Trump?

S I C K O · Dec 14, 2018

Pretty weak list. Need a celeb like Oprah or someone else with BDE to take down Trump.

But if 2020 is against Pence, then any Dem could win.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

Ushiromiya said:
When that 7% is the difference between life and death, I'll take my chances.

Vote how you like in the primaries. If Bernie fails to win, which he will IMO, you're odds are sunk if a Democrat doesn't win. Look at what Trump is currently doing.

kambaybolongo · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
Let's look at what beto is pushing for. Universal healthcare for all. Increase in minimum wage. On record that Trump should be impeached. Affordable education with serious reform.

Goddamn, he's basically a Republican!

"Universal" healthcare is a meaningless buzzword. Beto doesn't support many concrete policies at all. That's how the grift works. He just supports enough vague concepts for libs to project themselves onto. Out of every candidate thinking about running in 2020 he might take the cake for having the least substance and that's saying a lot with Booker in the ring.

Euron said:
You're talking about 2010 right? In that case, Conservatives were motivated more than ever before to vote thanks to their hatred of Obama while Democrats mostly stayed home so it's not really something comparable. That really had nothing to do with Obama the politician, it was more so based on a misguided (to put it lightly) hatred of Obama the person./QUOTE]
So dems winning the house this year was only indicative of a disdain for Trump?

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
"Universal" healthcare is a meaningless buzzword. Beto doesn't support many concrete policies at all. That's how the grift works. He just supports enough vague concepts for libs to project themselves onto. Out of every candidate thinking about running in 2020 he might take the cake for having the least substance and that's saying a lot with Booker in the ring.

It's almost as if he was running for Senate in a DEEP red State. He still was firm in his progressive polices, in fact, he listed them online. What the hell do you want from the guy, please tell me? He's one of the few congress people on record stating that Trump should be impeached.

Ushiromiya · Dec 14, 2018

Euron said:
Life and Death? Can you elaborate? If you're talking about Healthcare, Beto also cares strongly about it despite not labeling himself as a Progressive. And again, what about what happens if Trump is elected a second term? If Beto or Kamela is death, then what's Trump?

I am type-1 Diabetic. I have to intentionally limit my income to near-poverty level because if I didn't I would no longer have health insurance and would not be able to afford to pay out of pocket for the medication that keeps me alive.

A candidate who supports single payer vs a candidate who supports the status quo + some minor tweaks to it is the difference between me being able to make more than $15,000 a year and afford my insulin or continuing to live in near poverty because the alternative is death.

Piecake · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
You're right. It's truly shocking that preferred candidates to win that are swimming in cash (and are almost always independently wealthy) are winning elections. It must be because they're obama democrats. Yeah that must be it.

That is an unsubstantiated claim.

Prove that with evidence. Prove to us that Obama-Democrats in competitive areas were likely more successful than Progressive-Democrats because they simply had a lot more money.

What you are doing right now is a whole hell of a lot of motivated reasoning to maintain your belief that Progressive Dems would be more successful if they were just given the chance when the recent midterms suggest otherwise.

kambaybolongo · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
It's almost as if he was running for Senate in a DEEP red State. He still was firm in his progressive polices, in fact, he listed them online. What the hell do you want from the guy, please tell me?

He had a nice cushy house seat that was comfortably democratic for YEARS. He had plenty of room to support progressive causes but chose not to. He's just another rich white guy who wants to be president because he has nothing better to do.

Madison · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
Vote how you like in the primaries. If Bernie fails to win, which he will IMO, you're odds are sunk if a Democrat doesn't win. Look at what Trump is currently doing.

I doubt that many people in here actually believe the "my candidate or nothing" philosophy. If i lived in the US i would support Beto or Kamala if they won the nomination because of course I would.

kambaybolongo · Dec 14, 2018

Piecake said:
That is an unsubstantiated claim.

Prove that with evidence. Prove to us that Obama-Democrats in competitive areas were likely more successful than Progressive-Democrats because they simply had a lot more money.

What you are doing right now is a whole hell of a lot of motivated reasoning to maintain your belief that Progressive Dems would be more successful if they were just given the chance when the recent midterms suggest otherwise.

You expect me to provide you with evidence that establishment backed candidates generally have a lot more money than outsiders? Go do your civics homework and get back to me.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
He had a nice cushy house seat that was comfortably democratic for YEARS. He had plenty of room to support progressive causes but chose not to. He's just another rich white guy who wants to be president because he has nothing better to do.

Subtract the House for Senate and we're basically talking about Bernie. Let's see what Beto has to offer. So far he seems to be reaching out in all the right places.

Also noticed how you ignored his stance on Trump impeachment.

Deleted member 5666 · Dec 14, 2018

Ushiromiya said:
I am type-1 Diabetic. I have to intentionally limit my income to near-poverty level because if I didn't I would no longer have health insurance and would not be able to afford to pay out of pocket for the medication that keeps me alive.

A candidate who supports single payer vs a candidate who supports the status quo + some minor tweaks to it is the difference between me being able to make more than $15,000 a year and afford my insulin or continuing to live in near poverty because the alternative is death.

You do realize how government works right? The Senate and House put the bills on the desk of the President. There will be just as much chance of single payer under a President Bernie as a President Beto if they have the same congress.

Pelosi won't give a shit what Bernie may want. She is only going to maker her house members take a vote on single payer if she is confident it would pass both the senate and the house. And she would do that regardless of which Dem is President.

kambaybolongo · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
You do realize how government works right? The Senate and House put the bills on the desk of the President. There will be just as much chance of single payer under a President Bernie as a President Beto if they have the same congress.

Pelosi won't give a shit what Bernie may want. She is only going to maker her house members take a vote on single payer if she is confident it would pass both the senate and the house. And she would do that regardless of which Dem is President.

Peak liberal. Telling a guy who needs single payer healthcare to survive to get in line.

Deleted member 5666 · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
Peak liberal. Telling a guy who needs single payer healthcare to survive to get in line.

I am not telling him to get in line. I am telling him that Bernie doesn't have a magic wand to force Pelosi to be able to pass single payer and pull 60 senate seats out of his ass.

Healthcare policy is going to be the same regardless which Dem is President because it comes down to what votes are there in the congress. You need a super majority in the senate for single payer. That is not happening anytime soon.

That is one of Bernies biggest issues. He can never explain HOW he would get these through a congress that has no interest or ability to get them passed. Just saying "well, then get over 60 senate seats!" is not an answer.

Piecake · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
You expect me to provide you with evidence that establishment backed candidates generally have a lot more money than outsiders? Go do your civics homework and get back to me.

That's pathetic.

Your entire argument rests on an assumption that could be wrong.

While these progressive dems might not have accepted money from Super Pacs, they certainly would have gotten a lot of monetary support from the Dem Establishment because it was a competitive district. The Dem Establishment wants those seats and is totally fine with a progressive dem if the other option is an R.

Moreover, a lot of candidates were able to raise a ton of money using small donations from a lot of individual donors. The major recipients of that tend to be progressive candidates. In fact, democrats out-raised republicans mostly due to small donors. In the past, Republicans tend to beat democrats in fundraising thanks to big wealthy donors.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/16/democrats-republicans-fundraising-midterms-908825

Phrozenflame500 · Dec 14, 2018

short biden, short bernie, short booker. i'm not entirely sure why booker is so high up on the list tbh

harris and beto do seem like the frontrunners at the moment

kambaybolongo · Dec 14, 2018

Piecake said:
That's pathetic.

Your entire argument rests on an assumption that could be wrong.

While these progressive dems might not have accepted money from Super Pacs, they certainly would have gotten a lot of monetary support from the Dem Establishment because it was a competitive district. The Dem Establishment wants those seats and is totally fine with a progressive dem if the other option is an R.

Moreover, a lot of candidates were able to raise a ton of money using small donations from a lot of individual donors. The major recipients of that tend to be progressive candidates. In fact, democrats out-raised republicans mostly due to small donors

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/16/democrats-republicans-fundraising-midterms-908825

I love how confidently wrong you are. Your comments read like a D- paper for Intro to American politics.

manchego obfuscator · Dec 14, 2018

I agree with this take fwiw

Euron · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
So dems winning the house this year was only indicative of a disdain for Trump?

Yep, if it's Hillary in office the Dems get destroyed for similar reasons to Obama. Without Trump there wouldn't be a similar level of inspiration for Democrats.

Ushiromiya said:
I am type-1 Diabetic. I have to intentionally limit my income to near-poverty level because if I didn't I would no longer have health insurance and would not be able to afford to pay out of pocket for the medication that keeps me alive.

A candidate who supports single payer vs a candidate who supports the status quo + some minor tweaks to it is the difference between me being able to make more than $15,000 a year and afford my insulin or continuing to live in near poverty because the alternative is death.

I'm very sorry to hear that. I understand the desire to risk it all on Bernie in that regard but I still think you should wait and see what other candidates have to say regarding this. It will definitely be a big issue during the debates. I can't promise that Beto or anyone else will give you exactly what you're looking for but other candidates might actually be better at getting it through Congress. For all we know the rest of Congress could gridlock Bernie from day one because of his self-proclaimed Socialist beliefs.

Kirblar · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
I am not telling him to get in line. I am telling him that Bernie doesn't have a magic wand to force Pelosi to be able to pass single payer and pull 60 senate seats out of his ass.

Healthcare policy is going to be the same regardless which Dem is President because it comes down to what votes are there in the congress.

You need a super majority in the senate for single payer. That is not happening anytime soon.

To simplify this, the President is going to be to the left of the 50th vote in the Senate regardless of who is President. The important thing is making sure they're going to be dedicated to pushing something through.

Picking up 4 Senate Seats + the Presidency is the biggest thing we need to do in 2020 because without that nothing happens.

Deleted member 22490 · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
Here is a secret....Beto and Kamala aren't centrist. They are very much in the mold of Obama on policy.

Oh god I hope no. Obama literally described himself as an 80s republican. Besides, Beto doesn't even know if he's a progressive or not

Deleted member 5666 · Dec 14, 2018

Helio said:
Oh god I hope no. Obama literally described himself as an 80s republican. Besides, Beto doesn't even know if he's a progressive or not

Obama is the most popular Democrat in the party. Trashing him is not a good strategy to win over a base that universally adores and loves him.

Piecake · Dec 14, 2018

kambaybolongo said:
I love how confidently wrong you are. Your comments read like a D- paper for Intro to American politics.

I am asking you to support your claim with actual evidence and am willing to change my mind if you actually do so. I mean, in a conservation/debate, that is what you are supposed to do. Back up your claims with actual evidence.

You aren't willing to do that. You are just throwing out a lot of biased assumptions and pathetic attacks about my lack of understanding.

I am done with you as it is quite clear to me that you are far more interested in talking at people than holding an actual conservation/dialogue.

Deleted member 22490 · Dec 14, 2018

Cheebo said:
Obama is the most popular Democrat in the party. Trashing him is not a good strategy to win over a base that universally adores and loves him.

I'm not employing it as a strategy. I'm just stating facts.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

Kirblar said:
To simplify this, the President is going to be to the left of the 50th vote in the Senate regardless of who is President. The important thing is making sure they're going to be dedicated to pushing something through.

Picking up 4 Senate Seats + the Presidency is the biggest thing we need to do in 2020 because without that nothing happens.

Pence tie breaks shit all the time. I mean, 4 seats would be great, but if we get 3 seats plus presidency, can we not manage?

Kirblar · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
Pence tie breaks shit all the time. I mean, 4 seats would be great, but if we get 3 seats plus presidency, can we not manage?

It's 4 because there's very little chance Doug Jones retains his seat. Any prospective cabinet planning for 2020 is probably looking to tap him for AG.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

Helio said:
Oh god I hope no. Obama literally described himself as an 80s republican. Besides, Beto doesn't even know if he's a progressive or not

yeah ok, I think his " I don't like labels" shit was a bad move. You're not in Texas anymore bro. Own the progressive label and stop trying to two sides with Fake News and White Supremacists.

Mahonay · Dec 14, 2018

I really want Harris to run.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

Kirblar said:
It's 4 because there's very little chance Doug Jones retains his seat. Any prospective cabinet planning for 2020 is probably looking to tap him for AG.

Oh ok. That makes more sense. Assuming Colorado cancels out Alabama, we need 3 seats. MA is looking pretty good. So we would need 2 more seats in a reeeealy bad year for Republicans defending 17 seats with Trump as President. I like our chances.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

Mahonay said:
I really want Harris to run.

She will. No doubt in my mind. And, as much as I like Beto I still think a Harris/Beto ticket could be the key to the Presidency.

Euron · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
yeah ok, I think his " I don't like labels" shit was a bad move. You're not in Texas anymore bro. Own the progressive label and stop trying to two sides with Fake News and White Supremacists.

While I'm not saying that I agree with his lack of labels comment, the justification I see is that the term 'Progressive' invites a purity test from people on the left and invites assumptions of Socialism from people on the right. I'm hoping that he's just trying to avoid getting into a pissing contest with Bernie and being demonized by moderates. It's a really awkward situation all around though and hopefully he's more careful in the future.

It'll come up in the debates though and hopefully he'll have a good answer prepared (probably something about letting the policies speak for themselves)

Deleted member 22490 · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
yeah ok, I think his " I don't like labels" shit was a bad move. You're not in Texas anymore bro. Own the progressive label and stop trying to two sides with Fake News and White Supremacists.

He should've owned it when he was running against Ted. Everyone who voted against him still considered him to be progressive simply because he ran as a democrat. Downplaying ones progressivism is just being chickenshit.

TerminusFox · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
yeah ok, I think his " I don't like labels" shit was a bad move. You're not in Texas anymore bro. Own the progressive label and stop trying to two sides with Fake News and White Supremacists.

It doesn't matter.

He has such charisma that they're going to project whatever they think he is on him.

Obama was to Hillary's right, yet most people thought he was going to change everything from Day 1.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

Euron said:
While I'm not saying that I agree with his lack of labels comment, the justification I see is that the term 'Progressive' invites a purity test from people on the left and invites assumptions of Socialism from people on the right. I'm hoping that he's trying to avoid getting into a pissing contest with Bernie and being demonized by moderates. It's a really awkward situation all around though and hopefully he's more careful in the future.

It'll come up in the debates though and hopefully he'll have a good answer prepared (probably something about letting the policies speak for themselves)

I think I can agree.

But, there is nothing wrong with owing that label. In fact, it can be a strength.

Kirblar · Dec 14, 2018

TerminusFox said:
It doesn't matter.

He has such charisma that they're going to project whatever they think he is on him.

Obama was to Hillary's right, yet most people thought he was going to change everything from Day 1.

That people would say "no he wasn't" when I pointed that primary strategy out in election discussions over the past few years speaks was unreal to me.

Euron · Dec 14, 2018

rjinaz said:
I think I can agree.

But, there is nothing wrong with owing that label. In fact, it can be a strength.

Agreed, especially if you want to run a campaign based on hope and change. If you believe in progressive policy like he does, you might as well ride with the label.

CostcoCousteau · Dec 14, 2018

Beto Biden Battlestar Galactica

HyperionX · Dec 14, 2018

Kastriot said:
I am a big Amy Klobuchar fan. Did not know who she was until the Kavanaugh hearings and immediately admired her calm demeanor as Kavanaugh ranted and raved about how he has never gotten blackout drunk. One way or another I think she has a bright future in the party.

Slowly moving towards this position lately. I worry that the other candidates are just trying to emulating Obama without any real substance behind them. Klobuchar seems to be one of the few that is trying to actually build up a resume and trying to become qualified for the position, rather than just generating hype for a run.

BurntFoot · Dec 14, 2018

From a pro-Black perspective, none of these folks excite me. I guess I'm staying home come Nov 2020.

rjinaz · Dec 14, 2018

CostcoCousteau said:
Beto Biden Battlestar Galactica

Beto is Tyrol and Biden is John Cavil. It all makes sense.

HOUSEJoseph · Dec 14, 2018

I love Kamala and Beto

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