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Realistically are they actually going to get any money out of Ezra to make up for the potential lost revenue from a huge tentpole movie?
DC Fans won't do a god damn thing except try and force the "hashtag Ezra Flash cut" to come out when they think they're missing out on the directors Original Vision™️ and claim it has "nothing to do with Ezra" they "just believe in cinema".
This is a very cynical take that I haven't seen happening so far, and I'm saying this as part of the people who supported the Snyder cut thing.
DC fans have been vocal in not supporting Amber Heard and calling out Aquaman 2 for still having her on board. Let's not generalize here.
The comparison to CNN+ is flawed. That service was a failure out of the gate with very few subscribers. The idea to close it so quickly was an attempt to cut their loses instead of sinking more money into the service with the hope things will turn around. Keeping the service alive was an active investment, meaning it had big operational costs of running. That is very different than a movie that is (mostly?) completed.
Also, saying they killed CNN+ so they can bury this movie as well kind of says the opposite of what you seem to be trying to say. "we lost 100 million on CNN so we can lose 200 million on The Flash" does not make much sense. The opposite is more likely, "we just lost 100 million on CNN, we cannot afford another huge loss".
WB should just scrap the flash movie.
Ezra(they) should just surrender to police.
WB should just mend the fences with Tim burton and let him direct Michael Keaton to another batman movie, release the batman scenes in that scraped flash movie on the blu ray as extras.
Done.
Ezra(they) should just surrender to police.
WB should just mend the fences with Tim burton and let him direct Michael Keaton to another batman movie, release the batman scenes in that scraped flash movie on the blu ray as extras.
Done.
Again, they're not doing this yet. And after they called out WB for not cutting Amber Heard off Aquaman 2, there's no reason to assume they won't support removing Miller. In fact, all the posts in social media I've been seeing is asking for a recast.
How expensive would a deepfake be to replace Ezra?
I really, *really* don't want to watch this movie if they're in it.
It would be pretty ridiculous to deepfake an entire movie where the same actor is in every scene, sometimes playing multiple characters. Those little digital Luke de-agings were short cameos, not a full-length film.
To make it not look like shit? Very expensive, and I don't think the tech is anywhere near the level of convincing to cover an entire effects heavy film with the lead performer playing multiple iterations of the character at once.
Deepfake Luke, who only shows up in a few scenes, is nowhere even comparable with an entire movie. It is, simply, not feasible. Might as well ask to scrap the entire movie and start over from scratch.
An expected, but unfortunate response :(
I wish someone would leak a price quote from a VFX studio. This isn't directed at you but for a $200 million dollar movie does very expensive mean $1 million, $10 million, or a $100 million.
I think they had no idea that Miller would be a serial predator a decade ago.
I know, Why shouldn't I just ask for it?
In an ideal world, that's what should happen.
The Army of the Dead replacement cost millions for a secondary character.
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Sonic the Hedgehog's replacement cost $5 to 10 million for a completely CG character.
And the studio shutdown immediately afterwards because of the expense of working in Vancouver.
If it was only $10 million they would certainly take the hit / claim insurance and do it. For a full length movie it's probably way way higher.
Yeah. Again, Ezra has been performing since they were a child.
There may have been signs, but they were probably very easy to swat away.
"Oh, Ezra is so quirky." "Ezra's mentoring so many young people."
And isn't this movie already delayed because of VFX?
Based on what, amateurs are pretty good, I've used the tools myself… can't be that much worse than the mustache in JL. I think you're underestimating how fast and how good the tools are getting.
Luke got 10 minutes of screen time in book of Bobba. The budget for book of Bobba was 14 million per episode, let's say ball park they spent 1/6 of that budget just on luke though I bet it was less… that means for 120 minutes of raw Ezra that'd be 28 million of primo ILM. I mean that weird experiment the South Park guys did with deep fakes was like 15 minutes of it and looked fine and was way cheaper than ILM
I think if anything, the hard part is to get a actor to agree to be in the movie that way that's high profile enough to be flash. Or it's old Hollywood thinking where they don't bother to ask around what could be done in that area and are hitting their typical studios who maybe haven't invested in deep fakes yet.
Now would it look weird sometimes, sure, but I dunno seems better than just writing the whole thing off. I doubt things will be that much better if they try and release it next year.
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I dont think that money its the "only" problem here (even if its big one). The time that it would take and even more work to their overworked VFX team its a lot!
We are talking about deepfaking an entire movie heavy on visual effects. On general deepfakes works weel when the light source is the same and imovable, for example, deepfaking someone while the sun rays from a windows changes, its much more difficult.
Because the visual effects of this film have a lot of lights and lightning, maybe they will have to scrap the work done and redo parts of the VFX which already took a long time/effort.
Another thing is that probably Ezra face/head changes a lot in the movie, unmasked, masked, partially masked, injuries, etc. Every variation makes a deepfake even more dificult/time consuming.
Plus we know that this movie had alternate versions of Flash, portrayed by Ezra, i think that final rumour was 3? Every scene with multiple flashes - Double the work.
...And the chery on top is that this movie would be a soft reboot on DC cinematic universe, so the next movies will have to be delayed/reworked too, if they decide to change Ezra
Just a note, I 100% agree thar Warner should kick Ezra from this movie.
I can't see any big VFX company pulling their best artists off of other projects to basically go over work and as someone who works in the industry, this is a shit ton of work as it's a very, very VFX-intensive movie.
You would have to rework environments, lighting placements and redo cameras within scenes, reintegrate digital doubles, It would be months and months of work I would dread being on any team forced to work on this if that is what WB is considering.
The other big hurdle is most VFX studios will be already working on other big movies that are on a schedule. Work that is arranged months ahead as they get shots to work on. And those shots go through multiple revisions.
There's no doubt they're out from future projects. The question is what to do with a movie that's already wrapped and in the VFX pipeline.
If I'm WB and I don't have the option to reshoot then I'm promoting the shit out of Michael Keaton's Batman in the lead-up to the film's release.
I don't know what WB should do with the movie, but they should add a scene at the end of the movie having the speed force change the face of Ezra into Grant Gustin.
I feel like WB is already thinking about more drastic changes to the movie without leaking to the public - or maybe they'll try to johnny depp them in the next couple of months, which would completly kill any interest I could have in the movie. Either way, I highly doubt they'll chose to release such a blockbuster only on streaming services.
Deep fake alone wouldn't go far enough. It'll still be Ezra's performance. Whatever new voice actor you're bringing in then has to match the line readings to Ezra's performance.
If WB did that, and then don't credit Ezra, they could probably sue WB over it, which presents a whole other series of pitfalls.
There's no shortcut, basically. Either you replace the whole performance Army of the Dead style, or you can the movie (again, I don't think releasing it with Ezra is a real option even if WB haven't abandoned hope in that being an option yet.) I also don't think you can remake it without destroying the entire slate of follow ups that are in various stages of development.
Cheapest option is almost certainly doing some reshoots on Batwoman, or whatever, to make that the next movie.
If WB did that, and then don't credit Ezra, they could probably sue WB over it, which presents a whole other series of pitfalls.
There's no shortcut, basically. Either you replace the whole performance Army of the Dead style, or you can the movie (again, I don't think releasing it with Ezra is a real option even if WB haven't abandoned hope in that being an option yet.) I also don't think you can remake it without destroying the entire slate of follow ups that are in various stages of development.
Cheapest option is almost certainly doing some reshoots on Batwoman, or whatever, to make that the next movie.
An actors body is as much part of a performance as their face or line delivery. What upstanding talent is signing up to have their face haphazardly plastered over Ezra's body like that
Also I'm sure there's been a breach of contract somewhere for criminal behavior but what about SAG rules for replacing an actor's face? I would love if they deepfaked it, it would be an interesting experiment in ugly but practically it's nonsense
Also I'm sure there's been a breach of contract somewhere for criminal behavior but what about SAG rules for replacing an actor's face? I would love if they deepfaked it, it would be an interesting experiment in ugly but practically it's nonsense
I don't think so, not this time at least - Snyder diehards have been spamming hateful shit about this movie for months before any of this because it potentially alters some of Snyders plan (Which is daft to get hung up on as he has moved on but alas) and anything that deviates in progression or tone gets pretty quickly dismissed by them, so anything which could hurt this movie they would latch on to.
Weird to actually be on their side for once - especially being as, by all early accounts, this movies pretty good, but I just don't think I could bring myself to watch this or Aquaman 2 at this point so they can hashtag away if it helps stop these movies in this state.
Rolling Stone: Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
uuh
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Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
Ezra Miller has been hosting three young children at their Vermont farm, a living arrangement that has terrified the children’s father
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All very cool and normal.uuh
Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
Ezra Miller has been hosting three young children at their Vermont farm, a living arrangement that has terrified the children’s father
If it didn't sound like a cult before, it sure as shit does now.uuh
Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
Ezra Miller has been hosting three young children at their Vermont farm, a living arrangement that has terrified the children’s father
uuh
Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
Ezra Miller has been hosting three young children at their Vermont farm, a living arrangement that has terrified the children’s father
this fuckin weirdo
thankfully all the "i hope they get help" shit stops now
so ezra met a lady in hawaii in-between arrests and flew her and her kids to live on an unlicensed pot farm littered with guns while the father wonders WTF is going onuuh
Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
Ezra Miller has been hosting three young children at their Vermont farm, a living arrangement that has terrified the children’s father
okaaaaaaayyyy add it to the ongoing list
Jesus christ, that blurb makes me scared to read the whole thinguuh
Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
Ezra Miller has been hosting three young children at their Vermont farm, a living arrangement that has terrified the children’s father
uuh
Guns, Bullets, and Weed: Ezra Miller Housing Three Young Children and Their Mother at Vermont Farm
Ezra Miller has been hosting three young children at their Vermont farm, a living arrangement that has terrified the children’s father
For the love of God WB, cancel the movie. Shit's gonna get WAY worse.
They're seemingly trying to start a cult or something. Taking in wayward misguided people and lording control over them.