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Infernostew

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Oct 25, 2017
4,127
New Jersey
www.news18.com

Elon Musk's Starlink is Giving High-speed Internet Access to Remote Native American Tribe - News18

SpaceX is planning to make a mark in the world of Internet and cover most of the globe with its launch of tens of thousands more satellites in the next one year.

www.firstpost.com

SpaceX's Starlink satellites assist emergency responders in Washington with internet

This is the first public use of the SpaceX-developed internet-from-space satellite constellation.
And tell me how he got the money to do these things.
 
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Alucardx23

Alucardx23

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Nov 8, 2017
4,713
And tell me how he got the money to do these things.

Just a few examples.

www.cnbc.com

SpaceX and ULA win billions in Pentagon rocket contracts, beating out Blue Origin, Northrop Grumman

The U.S. Air Force on Friday awarded rocket builders United Launch Alliance and SpaceX contracts worth billions to launch national security missions.

www.forbes.com

Billionaire Elon Musk Raises $1.9 Billion In New Funding For SpaceX

It’s the company’s largest fundraising round yet.

www.cnbc.com

Elon Musk's SpaceX raises over $1 billion this year as internet satellite production ramps up

SpaceX has raised just over $1 billion in financing since the beginning of the year.
 

Spinluck

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Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
28,487
Chicago
Comcast is worse than Musk so I am glad to hear this news. And I really hope this shakes up the ISP game on some level.

Some of you should take a break from letting this guy's Twitter antics affect you so personally.
 

StereoVSN

Member
Nov 1, 2017
13,620
Eastern US
Folks need to remember that being a not very good human being do not preclude said person to making great contributions to humanity.

For all his faults, Musk pushed an entire car industry forward, made reusable rockets real and now is in the process of providing ubiquitous satellite access on the cheap throughout the world.
 

Uhyve

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Oct 25, 2017
1,167

jrb

Member
Nov 9, 2017
218
Terrible news for astronomy these kind of deals that allow Starlink growth, but evil corps doing evil stuff, expected.
 

Evildeadhead

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,673
Musk is a bit of an arse but as long as he's pushing tech like this I'm ok with him.


He's trolling. The idea that there was a coup for lithium is stupid conspiracy crap. Here in Australia and Chile there's plenty of lithium, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of excess supply also.
Love to joke about overthrowing democratically elected governments in Latin America. Maybe he should add a helicopter ride bit next time to make it extra spicy. It'll send his fanboys wild.
 

OneBadMutha

Member
Nov 2, 2017
6,059
If you can get 20ms to an Azure server with no packet loss or interruptions, cloud gaming will be fit for purpose for most gamers and game types. It'll be great until our brains melt.
 

Ryno23

Banned
Dec 13, 2017
1,097


Tesla buys their lithium from Australia and will soon be mining enough in the Nevada desert themselves to electrify the entire US.

The notion that he or Tesla were somehow involved or responsible is batshit insane lunacy and he was simply sarcastically responding to said batshit insane allegations.... Like seriously get a grip people. Elon doesn't have the freaking CIA in his pocket lmao.
 

SchroDingerzat

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Sep 24, 2018
1,600

You are free to disagree but he has done loads of shitty things which in my opinion make him a garbage tier person. Like for example falsely accusing a diver who saves loads of kids a pedo because he didn't use his silly submarine. Or even small things like refusing to give credit to artists (one of these was of a fanart of 2B he shared and then got pissy when people asked him to credit the artist).

Don't get me wrong his companies have created a lot of great innovations, but he is a really horrible human being.
 

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Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm going to remain in the camp that thinks that Elon Musk is willing to sacrifice human lives in order to increase his own personal glory through business ventures.

 

NunezL

Member
Jun 17, 2020
2,722
Terrible news for astronomy these kind of deals that allow Starlink growth, but evil corps doing evil stuff, expected.
SpaceX has tweaked their sattellites heavily since those first news reports of the train being visible. They now are coated with a dark paint on their underside to limit their reflectivity and also have a visor that shields some parts from receiving light directly. Notice how we haven't seen photos of the sattellite train lately? Also, they were only visible during their orbit parking, rising to the final position and still at relatively low altitude. Once they reach orbit they are not visible.
 

impingu1984

Member
Oct 31, 2017
3,416
UK
Musk is trash but the projects and ventures he fronts are generally extremely interesting or are pushing technology etc in the correct direction...

Starlink could bring the internet to literally anyone just about anywhere... That's some serious achievement if they keep going with it.
 

Midramble

Force of Habit
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
10,463
San Francisco
Does this mean better streaming in the future?

Please ELIA5

Yes. Generally speaking. Big difference in live streaming formats due to the lower latency over distances. Cross continent latency tends to be in the 200 ms range due to hops. Anything going to a satellite regardless of ground distance is the same. The universality and shorter distance of hops seems to be able to achieve sub 20ms latency over the same ranges which is significant. Bandwidth may be a bigger question though as I haven't seen the stats on cost per Gbps on deployment and annual upkeep redeployment. Depending on how low they can get it will determine if it is used more as a low Bandwidth/ mass coverage service (being able to get service anywhere with a sky view on earth) vs an infrastructure paradigm shift with cheaper more high def streaming and cheaper cloud hosted services because of being able to leverage cheaper data center locations in more remote locations.

Also, I dislike Elon as much as the next person but this is some pretty good stuff being enabled out of Space X. Trans oceanic cables were a massive change in global communication. This could be another.
 

legend166

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,113
Zero latency?

Musk has figured out how to go faster than light? Time travel so the data gets to us before we even request it?
 

Soundchaser

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,613
Microsoft should also make a deal with Neuralink so that the satellites could upload Craig the Brute directly to your brain.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,053
Trash how? What did he do?
www.marieclaire.com

"I Was a Starter Wife": Inside America's Messiest Divorce

In the middle of her headline-grabbing divorce settlement from Elon Musk, Justine Musk reveals the truth about her marriage.

www.theguardian.com

Elon Musk calls British diver in Thai cave rescue 'pedo' in baseless attack

Accusation directed on Twitter at Vern Unsworth, who called Tesla CEO’s offer of ‘mini-sub’ to help rescuers a ‘PR stunt’

www.theguardian.com

Elon Musk's lawyer asks cave explorer to apologize for insulting submarine

Vernon Unsworth, who assisted in the Thailand cave rescue, had deemed Musk’s miniature submarine a ‘PR stunt’

www.cnn.com

Tesla factory worker: Elon Musk doesn't have workers' best interests at heart

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has become one of America's biggest return-to-work cheerleaders, but some of his employees aren't as super stoked about going back to the factory.

www.cnn.com

Tesla factory worker: Elon Musk doesn't have workers' best interests at heart

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has become one of America's biggest return-to-work cheerleaders, but some of his employees aren't as super stoked about going back to the factory.

www.theguardian.com

Tesla workers say they pay the price for Elon Musk's big promises

The CEO is known for outsized claims and ambitious goals. But numerous factory workers say he doesn’t follow through – and that his leadership sets a troubling tone

www.ctvnews.ca

Elon Musk doubles down on COVID-19 skepticism and says he won't take future vaccine

Elon Musk said he would not take a COVID-19 vaccine when one becomes available, and declined to say whether he feels a duty to pay employees who want to stay home to avoid contracting the virus.
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
24,586
Elon is a turd. Somebody should take his twitter away. But the science ventures his companies invest in are good things, especially everything related to SpaceX.
 
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Alucardx23

Alucardx23

Member
Nov 8, 2017
4,713
Zero latency?

Musk has figured out how to go faster than light? Time travel so the data gets to us before we even request it?

He's talking about "legacy" internet latency. This means that when you access a server it will be entirely through the Stalink service. Basically from the server to the satellite constellation to your receiver. Fiber is around 50% slower than a laser transferring data in a vacuum. This is why he mentions the latency improvements.
 

Bluemaster77

Banned
Apr 2, 2020
126
www.marieclaire.com

"I Was a Starter Wife": Inside America's Messiest Divorce

In the middle of her headline-grabbing divorce settlement from Elon Musk, Justine Musk reveals the truth about her marriage.

www.theguardian.com

Elon Musk calls British diver in Thai cave rescue 'pedo' in baseless attack

Accusation directed on Twitter at Vern Unsworth, who called Tesla CEO’s offer of ‘mini-sub’ to help rescuers a ‘PR stunt’

www.theguardian.com

Elon Musk's lawyer asks cave explorer to apologize for insulting submarine

Vernon Unsworth, who assisted in the Thailand cave rescue, had deemed Musk’s miniature submarine a ‘PR stunt’

www.cnn.com

Tesla factory worker: Elon Musk doesn't have workers' best interests at heart

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has become one of America's biggest return-to-work cheerleaders, but some of his employees aren't as super stoked about going back to the factory.

www.cnn.com

Tesla factory worker: Elon Musk doesn't have workers' best interests at heart

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has become one of America's biggest return-to-work cheerleaders, but some of his employees aren't as super stoked about going back to the factory.

www.theguardian.com

Tesla workers say they pay the price for Elon Musk's big promises

The CEO is known for outsized claims and ambitious goals. But numerous factory workers say he doesn’t follow through – and that his leadership sets a troubling tone

www.ctvnews.ca

Elon Musk doubles down on COVID-19 skepticism and says he won't take future vaccine

Elon Musk said he would not take a COVID-19 vaccine when one becomes available, and declined to say whether he feels a duty to pay employees who want to stay home to avoid contracting the virus.

Wait.. this is the evidence thats being used to disparage the guy?... you people need to go outside more.
 

NunezL

Member
Jun 17, 2020
2,722
Zero latency?

Musk has figured out how to go faster than light? Time travel so the data gets to us before we even request it?
Read the tweet again, he's not saying zero latency internet. He is saying zero latency between their network and the ground internet network by putting relay station in datacenters/servers.
 

OneEyedKing

Member
Oct 25, 2017
452
lmao the Elon Musk Defense Force sure is out in full swing here

Never change Era.

Keep caping for shitty billionaires, I'm suuure they're totally cool and definitely have your best interests at heart
 

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Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,053
Wait.. this is the evidence thats being used to disparage the guy?... you people need to go outside more.
You're telling people to go outside now, during the coronavirus pandemic, in defense of a guy who is trying to downplay the pandemic to suit his business interests.

Is there literally any response to your asking "What did he do?" that wouldn't get this same reaction from you?
 
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Alucardx23

Alucardx23

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Nov 8, 2017
4,713
lmao the Elon Musk Defense Force sure is out in full swing here

Never change Era.

Keep caping for shitty billionaires, I'm suuure they're totally cool and definitely have your best interests at heart

If you see something like the links below, do you see it as someone defending Musk? What I see a lot is people like to have black and white discussions. You are either pure and good or the devil. We can at the same time talk about the pros and cons. There are 3.8 billion people without internet access in the world and Starlink will make access easier.

www.news18.com

Elon Musk's Starlink is Giving High-speed Internet Access to Remote Native American Tribe - News18

SpaceX is planning to make a mark in the world of Internet and cover most of the globe with its launch of tens of thousands more satellites in the next one year.

www.firstpost.com

SpaceX's Starlink satellites assist emergency responders in Washington with internet

This is the first public use of the SpaceX-developed internet-from-space satellite constellation.
 

Bluemaster77

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Apr 2, 2020
126
User Banned (3 Days): Antagonizing Fellow Members
You're telling people to go outside now, during the coronavirus pandemic, in defense of a guy who is trying to downplay the pandemic to suit his business interests.

Is there literally any response to your asking "What did he do?" that wouldn't get this same reaction from you?

It would have if there was actual serious offenses committed by the guy. But to call a man complete "trash" over these listed items are absurd.

The internet has created a new wave of smug basement dwellers.
 

jrb

Member
Nov 9, 2017
218
SpaceX has tweaked their sattellites heavily since those first news reports of the train being visible. They now are coated with a dark paint on their underside to limit their reflectivity and also have a visor that shields some parts from receiving light directly. Notice how we haven't seen photos of the sattellite train lately? Also, they were only visible during their orbit parking, rising to the final position and still at relatively low altitude. Once they reach orbit they are not visible.
www.scientificamerican.com

SpaceX's Dark Satellites Are Still Too Bright for Astronomers

The company’s attempts to dim the spacecraft in its megaconstellation fall short of eliminating disruptions to the world’s ground-based observatories
 

Masterspeed

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,825
England
Yes. Generally speaking. Big difference in live streaming formats due to the lower latency over distances. Cross continent latency tends to be in the 200 ms range due to hops. Anything going to a satellite regardless of ground distance is the same. The universality and shorter distance of hops seems to be able to achieve sub 20ms latency over the same ranges which is significant. Bandwidth may be a bigger question though as I haven't seen the stats on cost per Gbps on deployment and annual upkeep redeployment. Depending on how low they can get it will determine if it is used more as a low Bandwidth/ mass coverage service (being able to get service anywhere with a sky view on earth) vs an infrastructure paradigm shift with cheaper more high def streaming and cheaper cloud hosted services because of being able to leverage cheaper data center locations in more remote locations.

Also, I dislike Elon as much as the next person but this is some pretty good stuff being enabled out of Space X. Trans oceanic cables were a massive change in global communication. This could be another.


Wow, that's fantastic, this is all great news.

Shame Musk is a piece of shit... but sadly as the years go by I've come to sadly accept every huge company is run by a piece of shit
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,053
It would have if there was actual serious offenses committed by the guy. But to call a man complete "trash" over these listed items are absurd.

The internet has created a new wave of smug basement dwellers.
Out of curiosity, then, what do you define as an "actual serious offense"? You've said a lot of broad dismissive comments and stock insults but not actually made any specific reference to a single one of those links.

The US has 20% of the world's reported COVID cases despite having 4% of the population. Elon Musk, as a high profile climate change denier, contributes to the pandemic being out of control. His own workers expressed concern for their safety. If massive threats to human life don't count as an "actual serious offense" in your book, I end up being very skeptical that you have any line at all. Musk is in the position to contribute to more death through those statements than if he personally shot you, Bluemaster77, in the face.
 
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NunezL

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Jun 17, 2020
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OneBadMutha

Member
Nov 2, 2017
6,059
Are you allowed to despise Musk but appreciate the tech? End of the day, the tech is built by many people of all different races, religions and political beliefs.
 

OneEyedKing

Member
Oct 25, 2017
452
If you see something like the links below, do you see it as someone defending Musk? What I see a lot is people like to have black and white discussions. You are either pure and good or the devil. We can at the same time talk about the pros and cons. There are 3.8 billion people without internet access in the world and Starlink will make access easier.

www.news18.com

Elon Musk's Starlink is Giving High-speed Internet Access to Remote Native American Tribe - News18

SpaceX is planning to make a mark in the world of Internet and cover most of the globe with its launch of tens of thousands more satellites in the next one year.

www.firstpost.com

SpaceX's Starlink satellites assist emergency responders in Washington with internet

This is the first public use of the SpaceX-developed internet-from-space satellite constellation.
Personally I think the privatization of these systems to support corporations and assholes like Elon Musk while they amass untold wealth through exploited labor/resources all while creating an image of themselves in the public as some goofy Tony Stark-ass philanthropist is indeed ultimately a bad thing and does nothing to fundamentally combat the broken system we're living in that is killing people and the planet. Instead of placing your trust in him and people like him, ask yourself what can be done better to actually address these issues in the first place in a way that doesn't involve handing the keys over to the kind of people who only care about the profit they can generate from it.

It would have if there was actual serious offenses committed by the guy. But to call a man complete "trash" over these listed items are absurd.

The internet has created a new wave of smug basement dwellers.
Very curious what you would consider a serious offense if exploited labor, harsh working conditions, anti-union practices, and anti-science hysteria, among other things, don't count.