More like the people that always vote republican will continue to do so while people that would vote democrat will just stay home.
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CNBC: Democrats set to cut free community college, climate program from Biden’s economic plan as they trim price tag (UP: paid family leave too)
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The answer to this is simple. We need fewer conservatives in our government. Primary Sinema. Elect more progressives. Elect fewer conservatives.
Many people have the false idea that if you don't vote, no one else does either. The truth is that conservative evangelicals DO vote, and they do it lockstep.
They aren't going to stop trying to pass regressive legislation, and they will continue to make gains in their districts unless good folks rise to oppose them.
Lol, so a 50-50 senate split and a narrow house majority is full power for Biden?
Let's face it, nothing big is getting done without at least 60 senate votes, just the way it is.
Also, it's cool that 1.9 Trillion is nothing
Love how it's always the democrats fault when it's literally 2 conservatives who happen to caucus with democrats
I've seen this episode already, it's one of the worst on this show. When the Democrats finally eke out some power, they can't get anything big done so they haggle and cut everything and the audience doesn't see any results and then the Republicans take over again. Very worn-out storyline
Corporations wield so much power today because union/labor has been weakened since the 40s/50s, then again in 70s/80s. And Democrats were complicit in that. Now we're left with that mess and not many ways out of it.
So, how long we going to keep at this until you're realized the system is setup in a way to continuously discourage voters on purpose, and to swap between two power structures so no progress can be made? Saying "Just vote" is like that hasn't been what people have been doing for decades, with shit only progressively getting worse.
We've had the biggest turn out ever, against one of the most unpopular presidents of all time, and this was the best we can do. Like if this was your first time voting, I understand the optimism but man.. the last 5 decades has shown us this shit isn't happening.
Might as well just tell us to vote harder, because we're already voting.
Absolutely. Every step taken down this stairway to hell was a choice.
Imagine seeing all that the Progressive Congressional Caucus has accomplished in the last year or two and then telling people not to support their majority in the House. All because Manchin in WV is slimming down a bill that they've desperately fought to save.
Stacey Abrams pulled off a goddamn miracle in Georgia, but she didn't deliver West Virginia to us, so let's just give up.
Stacey Abrams pulled off a goddamn miracle in Georgia, but she didn't deliver West Virginia to us, so let's just give up.
Basically. There is shit all we can do unless we minimalize and or replace shit birds like these.
This.
It's easy, and understandable, to be discouraged. But giving up isn't the answer. We need to go harder in the midterms in 2022, and we need more Dems so that Manchin and Sinema lose their power and influence to affect legislation as much as they have been. With a greater majority we'll be able to see better results.
That said, screw Manchin and Sinema. I'm beyond fed up with their BS.
Manchin needs to be dragged like Sinema, make his life a living hell just like what what he's doing destroying this planet
I hope it is just frustration, because the answer isn't to stop showing up. We need more progressive voters voting, not more people saying screw it.
thanks for this. i love how people want to just deny anything good over and over again. Like push for climate change and Community College in another legislation. if we can get this passed that is still great. I want free school and green energy a ton but I am not going to deny other investments that I also like.
"Slimming down" is a nice euphemism.
People voted in leaders to pass Biden's agenda. An agenda he wilted away from every step of the way.
Regular people gave Joe Biden the Presidency and the Democrats both chambers.
It's their responsibility to do the people's business. It is the elected leaders who failed us not the other way around.
There are too many excuses being made for people who don't deserve a single benefit of the doubt.
Nothing will change by swapping out a name or three. The party as it stands exists to protect the rich and slowly kill the poor.
This has been my take as well. Time and time again it's framed as "democrats in disarray" when there are 50 other senators who are staunchly opposed to any meaningful progress.
For my part, I don't think any piece of this bill should be removed but I could've stomached a removal of the community college portions. It's absolutely devastating that anything related to climate change was gutted as the continual process of kicking the can down the road is going to absolutely be more costly and more deadly in the coming years.
We can stop the world from catching fire later
This was our chance. Its becoming too difficult to vote in states like GA to repeat that success. There's a pretty decent probabilty of Democrats losing the Senate and much of their advantage in the House in 2022 because of GOP voter suppression.
This was our chance. Its becoming too difficult to vote in states like GA to repeat that success. There's a pretty decent probabilty of Democrats losing the Senate and much of their advantage in the House in 2022 because of GOP voter suppression.
How Sinema and Manchin have not been fully ostracized from the party yet I do not understand.
No committees, no meetings, and no friends. Leave them to their predictable vote and nothing else while actively putting money behind a challenger.
They're significantly more useful as targets for why people should vote than they are as someone you can sway.
No committees, no meetings, and no friends. Leave them to their predictable vote and nothing else while actively putting money behind a challenger.
They're significantly more useful as targets for why people should vote than they are as someone you can sway.
Yes. All of this. It's really frustrating to watch the media and everyone else let the Republicans go.
All Democrats should be forced to sign a pledge to support the current platform across the board without exception, or be denied affiliation as a Democrat, as well as any official Democratic campaign funding.
This "in name only" bullshit needs to be banned. You are either on board or you are not.
This "in name only" bullshit needs to be banned. You are either on board or you are not.
So what you are saying is eliminate the party, just straight up forfeit and have the GOP in control of Government for the rest of time.
Nothing. That is the way it works when you have have the slimmest possible majority.
What is the point of a party if there is no platform consensus?
Mathematical majority is worthless if it isn't a philosophical majority.
Big shock. Education, Healthcare, and Environment are all first on the chopping block.
Canada is the same.
Canada is the same.
No one's letting Republicans off the hook except Dems who think there's any chance of bipartisanship (cough*Manchin*cough)
Most people know not expect anything from them.
Losing faith in the electoral system is not a "privilege". It's the natural conclusion to shit like this and has been happening for a long, long time.
Dems are afraid to turn anyone away.
Nancy Pelosi: "Of course" you can be an anti-abortion Democrat
House Minority Leader Pelosi says that it’s absolutely possible for someone to be a member of the Democratic Party and also be against abortion.
www.nbcnews.com
Plus if you had to swear fealty to a "platform" like the Democrats who overwhelmingly support ethnic cleansing in Palestine, we wouldn't even have the most progressive members in the party right now.
The media absolutely, without a doubt, launders Republicans dangerous bullshit in the interest of "FAIRNESS"
I'm generally curious what some of ya'll are proposing then. Cause it really boils down to, they aren't embracing all of what you want so stop voting for them. Is that the endgame here?
Not embracing is different than not following through on their commitments and promises. This makes people upset and frustrated at the process. It's understandable.
Every time, like clockwork, these sorts of threads become "well, we all need to vote harder next time," with absolutely no reflection on the ways that the political system of the United States has operated, past or present.
People are asking why this lone suggestion, a trope on its own at this point, will work this time around. The only reply to this I ever see is some variation on "oh, so you're not going to vote? Way to fuck everything up, genius." or "oh, so you prefer that Republicans take over?"
No one is not voting. No one is "giving up." I have always held my nose and filled in the little bubble for the left-of-center Democratic candidate. I plan to keep doing so.
But is that it? Is that really the only cogent you have? That "it could be and will be worse?" That it'll all be better when the majority "is real?"
The responses to the initial question are clearly made in bad faith, and act as a poor way to deflect from a genuine questions about electoralism as the be-all and end-all solution to everything.
also deflecting with "why are you blaming the Democrats instead of the Republicans, our true enemy" is equally lazy and made in bad faith.
People can critique things even when they're marginally better than another option
People are asking why this lone suggestion, a trope on its own at this point, will work this time around. The only reply to this I ever see is some variation on "oh, so you're not going to vote? Way to fuck everything up, genius." or "oh, so you prefer that Republicans take over?"
No one is not voting. No one is "giving up." I have always held my nose and filled in the little bubble for the left-of-center Democratic candidate. I plan to keep doing so.
But is that it? Is that really the only cogent you have? That "it could be and will be worse?" That it'll all be better when the majority "is real?"
The responses to the initial question are clearly made in bad faith, and act as a poor way to deflect from a genuine questions about electoralism as the be-all and end-all solution to everything.
also deflecting with "why are you blaming the Democrats instead of the Republicans, our true enemy" is equally lazy and made in bad faith.
People can critique things even when they're marginally better than another option
Dems are afraid to turn anyone away.
Nancy Pelosi: "Of course" you can be an anti-abortion Democrat
House Minority Leader Pelosi says that it’s absolutely possible for someone to be a member of the Democratic Party and also be against abortion.
Plus if you had to swear fealty to a "platform" like the Democrats who overwhelmingly support ethnic cleansing in Palestine, we wouldn't even have the most progressive members in the party right now.
Progressives will get nothing permanent done as Democrats, as it stands now. There simply are not enough of them, nor is there enough support nationwide for them. They only hold sway in their own districts, and it's not enough.
lol, blaming democrats when a whole fucking party is voting no just to fuck over the agenda. please poeple. it's the GOP and the two shitholes not the Democrats fucking us over.
Barely any democrats support the strikes going on right now. Only the usual progressives have voiced their support in congress. This party doesn't care about workers, you, or the country. In-action is their job.
I'll take cutting free community college if we can have great health care and climate programs. School, as expensive as it is, is much easier to afford when you'll never have to worry about medical bills, and the heat-death of our planet, at least.
If you don't think there's plenty of Dems that are happy that those two are taking the bullets for them, I have a bridge to sell you. If it wasn't for them, someone else would be outspoken to take the negativity off the rest of the Dems.
It's a standard play, and people falling for it once again thinking those two members are the only problem.
I fully get getting upset and frustrated. Maybe they shouldn't have made a commitment then, because clearly it is undeliverable with moderates and will ALWAYS be that way.
I agree with that but this is a Dem screw up. Primarily Manchin, Sinema, and others with them.
Bringing up Republicans now, who have been against any Democratic legislation since before Obama's inauguration, is pure deflection.
Trump and only Trump is the reason for those results. Mid term after a Dem trifecta and eroding voting rights? Dem's are not coming out in 2022. This party does not get politics like Republican's do.
It's not the whole party, though. This is some both sides shit when there is clearly a worse side.