Because they went one way
I can't tell if this is a joke post or not, but what does Nick Fury going one way (technically he went both ways) not count as a two way crossover? He was in the movies, and he was in the shows. But anyway, there was also a cameo from Jarvis in the second act of Endgame, so it's the other way...
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Right, so by the end of AoS, AoS is in a different timeline than it started in, because the one it started in ends with the Earth being destroyed. Similar situation in the MCU.
So, my personal interpretation is that AoS and all of the TV series have always been in a very closely parallel universe to the MCU proper and it is up to the viewer to decide what makes the most sense to them. There have been opportunities to make AoS canon that were left unsaid, most notably in Loki not mentioning that Coulson was revived. So the difference between the two universes *may* be that Coulson is back in one and not in the other.
Ms. Marvel is likely where we start getting irreconcilable continuity breaks with AoS, because of Inhumans, unless they are going to make her not-an-Inhuman. If Inhumans show up in the MCU, there's zero chance they are going to have the Inhumans show count as canon, and they are very unlikely to do anything that would require people go back and watch season 3 of AoS to understand what's going on.
The advantage of the multiverse is that Marvel can break continuity however it likes and say "well, that was a similar but different timeline" and if they do this right, it won't piss everyone off. (If they do it all the time, it will.)
I don't see the multiverse being an advantage if it is going to be used like that, if anything it'd be more of a scapegoat in my opinion. Using the multiverse when it works is for example the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies, which we got a taste for with Doctor Octopus from there returning. The multiverse might also be their way in bringing in Deadpool who was in the X-Men universe. These universes were never part of the MCU (UNIVERSE), they are not even parallel universes like the timelines we visited in the Loki tv show.
For the record, ZeoVGM is one of the individuals I'm talking about who clearly doesn't actually care about continuity. Most of the explanations you read from them are half-assed excuses that don't address any of the real problems. They (and you) keep focussing on the blip but that isn't even the biggest issue IMO. The biggest issue is the thousands and thousands of very public superpowered beings who are never referenced in any of the movies. That goes far beyond "what ever happened to Abomination or the scientist from The Incredible Hulk." Both of them are back in play now anyway.
At the very least, Agents of Shield needs to be separated. It's just too inconsistent to keep it in the same universe. As for why separate the reast of the Marvel Television series... I mean, that's obvious. They weren't produced by Marvel Studios. They were never part of "the plan" for the franchise. Feige had no involvement in any of them (sole exception being season 1 of Agent Carter). Maybe Marvel Studios wants to use some of those characters now and not be beholden to the decisions made by other producers back when Feige and Perlmutter were at war with each other? Again, key example -- Inhuman royal family. There are characters there that should show up in other MCU stories. But not the characters from that horrendous TV show. Iron Fist falls into this category too. You can't pick and choose characters without multiversing the lot of them, and it would get too complicated trying to say "this one was same universe this one was other." Just blanket all of them as a separate reality and make it easy.
That's a reason why a fan like me wants them to be separated. But there are plenty of business reasons too, which I won't really get into again because who cares. tl;dr - Netflix is a direct competitor to Disney now, and those shows are on Netflix forever.
In any case, I highly doubt it's a coincidence that the movie where Doctor Strange opens the multiverse to bring in characters from different franchises is the first example of a Netflix character appearing on screen in a Marvel Studios production. It's pretty clear what is happening.
I read through all of the posts made by
ZeoVGM again just now. At no point at all does their explanations come off as half-assed, I find it all to be logical and sensible - for example as I alluded to earlier, their comparisons to TIH references in the MCU and how there weren't any in the early phases and only in Phase 3 did it start and moreso in Phase 4. Sure, they're back in play now, but it was kind of obvious that Bruce's Banner's history was being ignored throughout the MCU's storytelling compared to the other Avengers.
This same level of slow buildup can be how Netflix MCU and ABC MCU characters can be reintroduced to the MCU proper. They even go on to explain why AoS can fit into the MCU proper despite the mishaps in communication between Marvel Studios & Marvel TV; it's another elaborate explanation like the conversations in the James Gunn thread. So no, I wouldn't say
ZeoVGM doesn't care about canon and continuity. If anything, their participation in this thread shows that they do care, their opinion is just not the same as yours.
Also, I strongly disagree with what you say in the bolded. You're making it sound like Feige is the outright owner of the MCU, and he's not. Disney is. The highest authority at Disney gets to decide what is MCU and what is not. Two months after Avengers' theater run:
After
The Walt Disney Company purchased
Marvel Entertainment in 2009,[SUP]
[76][/SUP] they announced that a
Marvel Television division was being formed under
Jeph Loeb.[SUP]
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[78][/SUP] In the following months, various
pilots based on comics from Marvel's catalog went into development.[SUP]
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[80][/SUP] In July 2012, Marvel Television entered into discussions with
ABC to make
a new series set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The series was described as "'a kernel of an idea' with a number of scenarios being explored, including a high-concept cop show."[SUP]
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This was set in stone from the beginning. You can't say "Feige didn't say so, so it ain't so" this show was canon to the MCU whether Feige, or haters liked it or not. And the same goes for Netflix MCU; Disney had to wait for Fox's Daredevil rights to expire first, and then:
In April 2013,
Marvel Studios president
Kevin Feige confirmed that the film rights to Daredevil and his associated characters reverted to Marvel from
20th Century Fox in October 2012, allowing those
characters to be used within the Marvel Cinematic Universe.[SUP]
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Marvel Television Jeph Loeb in 2015, Marvel Studios had "first dibs" on the character once the rights had reverted.[SUP]
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Drew Goddard pitched a new
Daredevil film to Marvel, but Marvel was not looking to create an
R-rated film, and Goddard did not want a "watered down version" of the character, as he also explained in 2015: "I went into Marvel and talked to them about making it as a movie a couple of years ago, long after the
Affleck movie. But what we all sort of realized is that, this movie doesn't want to cost $200 million. The thing about Matt Murdock is, he's not saving the world. He's just keeping his corner clean. So it would feel wrong to have spaceships crashing in the middle of the city. But because of that, Marvel on the movie side is not in the business of making $25 million movies. They're going big, as they should."[SUP]
[47][/SUP] Marvel Studios eventually decided that the character would be better served in a television series.[SUP]
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Hell, there is even this quote from Feige himself that I put in the OP:
I read this comment the other day where someone said that about, 'Did this diminish Agents of SHIELD?' And [Feige] said, 'Ya know, I think you're really underestimating how powerful and passionate the fans of that show and the Netflix shows are and were,' and I would never underestimate them or the possibility those characters, cause I really want to see (Daredevil actor) Charlie Cox, I really want to see people who love those shows, I want to see it all get crossed over as much as it could, cause I think that's what the Marvel fans want," he added.
and he's damn right about that. he's fully aware of the Netflix MCU's popularity and he wouldn't take advantage of the built-in fan bases that the live action versions of those characters have. So far intents and purposes, these tv shows were absolutely meant to be canon to the films. It doesn't matter of Feige produced them or not. As for Iron Fist, I made a separate thread about how I believe they should soft reboot him, but not the rest of the Netflix MCU. And in that thread some people suggested skipping straight to Colleen Wing with Jessica Henwick, and honestly I'm fine with that too. As long as they never bring Finn Jones back which they won't have to a la TIH's picking and choosing of references.
Bringing them back via multiverse would have the opposite effect; it would add more complications than simplicity. It would then beg the question of, what was going on with Matt Murdock and Quake in the MCU proper, if the ABC and Netflix shows featured variants? What was happening in the main universe instead of the multiverse where these shows' events supposedly took place? It's far better to continue establishing that the events of their shows happened in the main continuity.
If you personally don't want to see ABC and Netflix MCU crossover to the movies, that's your right and opinion as a fan. But there are millions of other fans who want the exact opposite, and our opinions are just as valid as yours because we are all part of the same fan base. I'm just saying, name calling does not get anyone anywhere in these discussions.
Also, the Netflix character showing up in an MCU movie is still unconfirmed. But there was an ABC character that showed up in an MCU movie two years ago. The biggest one, in fact.
lol
Good lord. Some of y'all.
Nope. It isn't clear at all. If he appears on screen, it's going to be short role/cameo as Peter's lawyer and have nothing to do with the multiverse plot.
Exactly. It's far too much to speculate on when the role hasn't been confirmed. I don't think Jameson's cameo in FFH ever leaked come to think of it, they got away with being tight lipped and keeping that a secret till the movie came out
